Gigsy

That's not just his mapping then... It's mapping plus slightly ambitious aspirations!

I mapped mine around 12 months and 10k miles ago including some track time and a trip to the Ring... still going strong - though to be fair, I've not pushed things too far map or mods wise.............. Yet

Shaun

Well I should get all the Tatrix stuff early this week. I need to get hold of another ECU, which I a couple of offers on the table.

First thing I need to do is start reading.

Assuming I actually decide to press on with this with focus, I won't be doing this to save money or become a pro / commercial mapper.

I love to learn and increase my knowledge.

johnfelstead

Surprised the turbo didnt throw a blade, VF28 doesnt like more than 1.5BAR on a 2.0litre.

If you decide to self map your car shaun, i think you need a kick in the nads.

stevebt

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I will put my self forward for that to do that if you like Shaun

Maz

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Don't bother showing your face on 22b if you press ahead and decide to increase your knowledge. Anyone even contemplating such foolhardiness is a cretin and deserves eternal damnation and hellfire.

johnfelstead

We allow cretins on 22B, so long as they behave.

Maz

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Shaun and I will fit right in then!

johnfelstead

Shaun is already there, he tends to come there to check his info.

madmarx

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I have had my Tactrix about a month now. Best thing i ever did. Watch out for the duty fees if you have bought it from the US. A bill comes a week after you have received it for approx 35 quid.
I have reflashed my car twice today, too much time on my hands. Im getting good now tho, i can unclip the green clips and flash connector, one handed !

Shaun

I'm even more determined now to get on with this and document every single thing I do on my project thread!!

Shaun

Madmarx,
The first I will do is make a remote mounted switch up. I'm 6ft 6ins tall and won't be crippling myself up doing that all the time! Lol

johnfelstead

maybe that 2.1 build isn't so far away now Shaun.

madmarx

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I will add that to my TO DO list too i think.

stevebt

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Make sure you document it when you make a bollox and Tractive sort you out

Shaun

I'm watching the tennis at the moment, but I think I need to add context to all that I've said.

Whilst some may think I'm stupid, believe me, I'm far from it!

Shaun

Right.... A proper keyboard!

I'm not about to make any claims. I'll leave that to the people that want to command the side show.

Whilst I'm sure there are people our there that think "you must be an absolute tool if you think you can map your own car" or "*****... I can't wait for that **** to blow his car up", I thinks it's worth me pointing out I don't think I can map my own car..... yet.

I don't have any "want" to be a mapper, prove or disprove anything about mapping. If Frayz hadn't of stated his Tactrix cable was up for grabs, I doubt I would have thought about it.

I'm not naive enough to think I can buy some gear, download a couple of base maps, read a few forum threads and lo and behold map a car because I have written a few map files to my ECU.

This whole exercise will undoubtedly include me working with a "pro", as that's probably the quickest and safest way I will be able to learn and understand.

This is all about me gaining knowledge of an area I currently know very very little about.

I have an idea for an approach and I think it will make for an interesting addition to my project thread. You may find this strange but that is an aspect I like..... sharing what I do, why I do it, how I do it and the outcomes.

I'm trying to gear myself up for running Meth initially..... but again, don't shoot your bolts. That will be done on my current set-up by a pro mapper.

jayallen

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You appear to have changed your tune from your opening post in this thread Shaun, whats brought about the turn around?

Shaun

This thread has made me realise that it's quite a controversial subject in the UK. I like things controversial, so it's given me a passion to find out more about it, whilst giving me the ability to add some new content to my project thread.

johnfelstead

How do you think your sponsors are going to feel about this Shaun? You have recieved a lot of support from EcuTek and Tractive to achieve what you have to date, that support is probably worth a lot of £ and time. Are you prepared to now lose that support to scratch a curiousity?

Absolutely nothing wrong with doing what you intend, so long as you realise you could be on to a loser on more than one front. For you, forgetting the curiosity aspect, what have you got to gain? You know you have a properly supported package at the moment which is giving you great results.

Running meth is hardly rocket science, so what's to be geared up to exactly? Just buy some meth, stick it in the car at the mix you want to use and get Richard to modify the current map to suit, have that as your 2nd map, or use Easy ECU to upload a dedicated ROM file. There is no thinking to be done if you do that, which is always a bonus.

Shaun

John - re-read what I put about the meth mapping! That will be done on the current setup (ie EcuTEK).

johnfelstead

Asuming Richard is prepared to help a turncoat.

And i read your post perfectly, you apear to be mentally gearing up to a nothing event which is why i asked what's the big deal.

jayallen

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Fairplay...

scoobiewrx555

Just a few observations....

I just want to know where all the technical resource/advice is coming from. Who is knowledgeable enough and has a lot of time to give you and everyone else the correct info/course of action. Who are you going to ask...TONEH? Or maybe one of the well known tuners that contribute hard earned cash to sponsoring SN threads or from the traders section maybe? Very doubtful!!

Or perhaps it will be a few quick trips over to NASIOC and ROMRADIER to copy and paste information to the new mapping section without detailed explanations of what it all means. That'll work....Nice!!

When 99% of forum members don't even know how to diagnose a simple running problem (look at the hundreds of threads every week from new and long term owners) it beggars belief at how on earth they are going to take in all the info they need to confidently take the steps required for a successful mapping outcome.

Surely they need to fully understand what they are making changes to, why they are making those changes, then make the changes they need to make, then interpret the results and make further decisions as to where and what other changes they will have to make and by how much. Equally, live with the results of those changes when they get it horribly wrong!!

There may be a handful of people that will get on just fine and have the aptitude to do a reasonable job on their own motors no doubt, but we are talking a fraction of a percentage of members only. The rest will be pissing in the wind wondering what it all means, pressing software buttons they have no idea about and very potentially about to cause catastrophic failure to either their ECU or engine. There really is so much that can and does sometimes go wrong, just with flashing never mind anything else!!

And with no wideband, detcans or experience.....You are feckin doomed!!

So....Will SN or the people contributing technical resource take the responsibility for someone killing their P&J due to info derived from this site....Of course not so, why are you people even contemplating having a mapping section and messing with things you know bugger all about. This isn't NASIOC and this isn't America where they have been doing this for donkeys years!!

What i will say in the defence of the scooby owner.....

There are tuners and there are tuners well known or otherwise. It's those tuners that do several half arsed 2hr remaps a day that really ends up being money for old rope. After all, those development cars/hobbies cost big bucks and the money has to come from somewhere!!

I don't blame people when they are not happy with their tunes and for not feeling they have had a proper job done. Most of them though are to worried to complain in case people think they are talking ****e or it's their fault, or some tuners are held in such high regard there is no way anyone will think they've done a half arsed job and you're branded a whinger or a liar.

Honestly, you can't tune any car properly from scratch in 2hrs regardless of who you are or your methods, and it takes time to get it as right as it can be. Go to a tuner that takes the time out to tune your car thoroughly and properly, and sorts issues out however long it takes, but within reason. If you have problems with your car it's really your responsibility to have it in good working order before you take it to be remapped.

The more time your tuner spends sorting out your problems the less time he has to map it. The mapping money you pay only goes so far so if your car really does have quite a few problems expect to be charged for the extra work for sorting them, which is fair enough. Time is money!!

Bar very few of you, the rest are going to struggle with this and i sincerely hope you don't damage your P&J in the process. I think you're playing with black magic and a fair number of you will get your fingers expensively burned, although deservedly so for being stupid enough to attempt this in the first place.

Then no doubt you'll be going to your local reputable tuner to sort out your **** ups!!

Tuners are there for a reason. Do yourselves a favour and let someone that knows exactly what they are doing play with your pride and joy otherwise it will end up in tears.

Finally.....I look forward to reading all the sob stories....

Evolution Stu

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This seems like a cracking place to say....

Enjoy - but take care.

Tidgy

All my work gets done by scoobyclinic, they cater for engine builds from simple rebuilds to upgrades, they can be contacted on the following number and are always open for more work, so when you blow up your engine then you know who to call,

Scoobyclinic - 01246590807

Gigsy

Oh, ye of little faith.

bluenose172

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Why is there this attitude in the UK Subaru community? The EVO boys must be pissing their selves at some of these posts. I've been doing this for 4 years, I'll contribute as much as I can in the new section.

banny sti

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Because some people just like to do cheque book tuning

ALi-B

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Fair points, but with any DIY mod, mapping or not its a "Do at you're own risk" situation. For example there's probably more than a few sob stories from those who fitted ultra stiff rear ARBs and oversteered into a hedge.

And whilst its fair to say the majority of people won't have a clue, thats not to say the minority should be stuck in amongst with them and denied access to in depth information "for their car's own good".

Not to forget those who actually want to learn more. Even if they aren't doing the work themselves, sometimes it worth knowing to ensure that those who are working on teh car are doing it right, or to be more understanding and conversant in what they do and what you want.

Anyone who would just copy something on the 'net and take it as gospel without double checking themselves is a fool. That goes for anything, be it quoting the Queens birthday from Wikipedia or intricate modifications to an ECU map.

Using the information to learn, to understand and to ensure what you do or what is provided is correct, and if any doubt question it. If what someone says doesn't make sense or doesn't stack up right, question it, work through it step by step and justify it with evidence (not pub talk) to ensure it is correct.


I've always said when it comes to Imprezas and engine mods, when cranking up the power to more than 10% over standard...regardless of who does it, if the engine has original/stock internals and hasn't been stripped and inspected, then keep enough money to one side for a new engine. Of course there are plenty out there who haven't done that and haven't had any issue, but there are quite of few who have and ended up with a foobared engine, be it through bad luck, an oversight or increased wear and tear. Because of this, there will always be sob stories.

jayallen

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A-fricking-men to that banny..!

The negative comments on this thread typifies the British mentally, knock 'em down before they even get started..