Afghan Invasion
23 July 2012, 10:26 AM
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Ad hominem is really a poor tactic used by those with not much really to add. I started thread to simply say 'told you so' the rest is obvious even to the blind. Then you come along ;-)
But if you insist
http://www.infowars.com/afghanistan-...ng-brzezinski/
But if you insist
http://www.infowars.com/afghanistan-...ng-brzezinski/
23 July 2012, 01:11 PM
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You've completely misinterpreted my post and where it was leading, by the way, but that doesn't surprise me.
23 July 2012, 01:26 PM
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23 July 2012, 03:41 PM
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Even if you ignore the debate about the reasons for the war in Iraq, the facts hardly paint a picture that was ever likely to convince the majority of the locals there was any possibility of an altruistic motive. The Americans crushed the elections Iraqis tried to have immediately after the war, destroyed Iraqi industry and shipped product and people all across the world to rebuild the infrastructure they destroyed when the locals could have done it for 1/1000th the cost and trying to sell their oil rights at rock bottom price, the picture is one of a complete rape of a countries resources. How anyone can paint Iraq as anything different I have no idea. When we get to Afghanistan they clearly have less to take but when mineral rights start getting divided, in the context of Iraq it is very hard to avoid the possibility that things will go the same way, when that happens more and more locals will rebel and the situation will only get worse.
Unless the yanks want to start bombarding Afghans with free ****, drink Ecstasy and general debauchery they are going to struggle to make a nation indoctrinated by years of the Taliban ever create a western style society. The more the World tries to impose its will and divide up its resources the harder the insurgents will fight.
Unless the yanks want to start bombarding Afghans with free ****, drink Ecstasy and general debauchery they are going to struggle to make a nation indoctrinated by years of the Taliban ever create a western style society. The more the World tries to impose its will and divide up its resources the harder the insurgents will fight.
23 July 2012, 07:15 PM
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Not according to our illustrious thread-launcher. There be gold and diamonds in them thar hills, arrr, arrr, there be 
Anything is possible, but as asked several times now already of the OP, where is your evidence that this is happening or is likely to happen? So far the only country with a finger in the pie, or a toe in the water, or whatever you want to call it is India, who played no part at all in the invasion, and who unless you can show us any different are paying a fair market rate for whatever it is they're digging up.
Face it, this thread is based on nothing more than assumption and paranoid fantasy.
Face it, this thread is based on nothing more than assumption and paranoid fantasy.
23 July 2012, 07:50 PM
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Indeed it is and a very accurate assumption too. Sooner or later the truth will start flowing out. Just like the rape of Iraq. They knew of Afghans minerals before 11/9/01. Anyone who thinks that Afghans resources were not part of the pie is either deluded or certified daft 
23 July 2012, 09:48 PM
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I accept many do not accept Alex Jones and his theories however they are credible and all he is doing is trying to find the missing gaps which all seem to point that what we are being told and reality are two different things.
23 July 2012, 10:30 PM
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23 July 2012, 11:19 PM
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23 July 2012, 11:34 PM
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Iraqi oil production was back up to an average of 2 million barrels per day barely a year after the 2003 invasion. The invasion of Afghanistan happened over ten years ago, yet there still isn't a single US (or UK) company with a mining contract there. How long are we supposed to wait exactly before we decide whether you've been proved right or wrong on this? And will you at least agree that until such time as what you now call likely actually does happen, you (and Shaid) won't have been proven right??
23 July 2012, 11:50 PM
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Do not even try that emotional 'our lads' stuff with me. It does not matter what my opinion of said soldiers is. The only opinion that matters is the Aghans. If they see them as saviours then great, if they see them as terrorists then so be it really.
However if you really must know i feel sorry for them. They are being 'used' by the gov for another gov and when they get home they are shafted by the same gov. They are brainwashed into thinking they are doing an honourable thing. Tell me something, do you feel sorry for suicide bombers? If not why not? They think they are doing the right thing, they have obviously been brainwashed to think that way why do you not feel for them>
I really wish we were in a position that war meant war aka both sides getting royally screwed before anyone decided on invading anyone. Remember you might sit there in the comfort of your home justifying the rape of another country especially when you know fully well that Monday morning you are going to work and all is normal. If the shoe was on the other foot i'm sure you war supporting types would think twice before calling shots on how other countries should run. How about this. Sort out your own country first? The law is an absolute joke, drugs are rampant, crime is rampant, the good people are being royally screwed by the authorities and so on so forth.
However if you really must know i feel sorry for them. They are being 'used' by the gov for another gov and when they get home they are shafted by the same gov. They are brainwashed into thinking they are doing an honourable thing. Tell me something, do you feel sorry for suicide bombers? If not why not? They think they are doing the right thing, they have obviously been brainwashed to think that way why do you not feel for them>
I really wish we were in a position that war meant war aka both sides getting royally screwed before anyone decided on invading anyone. Remember you might sit there in the comfort of your home justifying the rape of another country especially when you know fully well that Monday morning you are going to work and all is normal. If the shoe was on the other foot i'm sure you war supporting types would think twice before calling shots on how other countries should run. How about this. Sort out your own country first? The law is an absolute joke, drugs are rampant, crime is rampant, the good people are being royally screwed by the authorities and so on so forth.
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Iraqi oil production was back up to an average of 2 million barrels per day barely a year after the 2003 invasion. The invasion of Afghanistan happened over ten years ago, yet there still isn't a single US (or UK) company with a mining contract there. How long are we supposed to wait exactly before we decide whether you've been proved right or wrong on this? And will you at least agree that until such time as what you now call likely actually does happen, you (and Shaid) won't have been proven right??
Now as you mentioned it has been a decade so far and still no mining contract. Well, i suppose a certain group of bearded turban folk may have something to do with that.
As you mentioned Iraq it the following links might be useful reading. We all know Iraq was for oil and nothing else. That is unless you are going to try and peddle WMD's to me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-invasion.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail/185436.html
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24 July 2012, 09:01 AM
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not all suicide bombers are volenteers . a mate has not long come back from iraq and said of them (his words not mine ) the ones to worry about when on camp suicide watch are the forced ones, who stop when asked and then sit in the car (driverside on the floor loaded with explocives to make sure they go to allah) thinking about it , if the press go they die not knowing if thier wife and kids that have been abducted by the taliban will live or die . if they don't press go the taliban will probably kill them and tge wife and kids , no win situation for some of them. and don't reply back bullsh it as i have seen photos of the remains of a person and a motorcycle who pete said was defo a local man who's wife and children has dissapeared , and i do agree with you cameron needs to sort our own country out as top priority . i for one am fed up being shafted for tax's to sort out other peoples problems , as for the real reason why us and the yanks are there. it comes out of the ground and is black and liquid
As for Taliban/Suicide bombers as you are aware there are many techniques and people they use for suicide bombs. In the scenario you described would you feel sorry for the bomber? Considering he has been forced to do so. The Taliban are no saints (well at least the current crop aren't not so sure about the old lot as sister Yvonne Ridleys http://yvonneridley.org/ experience was different to what the press come out with. Which begs the question who is lying, who is telling the truth, how far does this deceit go?)
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I remember when it all kicked off, some American upper upper type stated the could last 50 years. I thought why does it need to last so long. The answer is pretty clear.
Now as you mentioned it has been a decade so far and still no mining contract. Well, i suppose a certain group of bearded turban folk may have something to do with that.
As you mentioned Iraq it the following links might be useful reading. We all know Iraq was for oil and nothing else. That is unless you are going to try and peddle WMD's to me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-invasion.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail/185436.html
Now as you mentioned it has been a decade so far and still no mining contract. Well, i suppose a certain group of bearded turban folk may have something to do with that.
As you mentioned Iraq it the following links might be useful reading. We all know Iraq was for oil and nothing else. That is unless you are going to try and peddle WMD's to me.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-invasion.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail/185436.html
Rather than pay them they accused them of slant drilling their oil reserves and then invaded them, this lead to operation Desert Storm and ultimately the invasion of Iraq.
They were masters of their own demise.
24 July 2012, 10:21 AM
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Even if you ignore the debate about the reasons for the war in Iraq, the facts hardly paint a picture that was ever likely to convince the majority of the locals there was any possibility of an altruistic motive. The Americans crushed the elections Iraqis tried to have immediately after the war, destroyed Iraqi industry and shipped product and people all across the world to rebuild the infrastructure they destroyed when the locals could have done it for 1/1000th the cost and trying to sell their oil rights at rock bottom price, the picture is one of a complete rape of a countries resources. How anyone can paint Iraq as anything different I have no idea. When we get to Afghanistan they clearly have less to take but when mineral rights start getting divided, in the context of Iraq it is very hard to avoid the possibility that things will go the same way, when that happens more and more locals will rebel and the situation will only get worse.
Unless the yanks want to start bombarding Afghans with free ****, drink Ecstasy and general debauchery they are going to struggle to make a nation indoctrinated by years of the Taliban ever create a western style society. The more the World tries to impose its will and divide up its resources the harder the insurgents will fight.
Unless the yanks want to start bombarding Afghans with free ****, drink Ecstasy and general debauchery they are going to struggle to make a nation indoctrinated by years of the Taliban ever create a western style society. The more the World tries to impose its will and divide up its resources the harder the insurgents will fight.
Did the coalition make mistakes? Yes. Did I at times cringe at the PR effort? Of course. Did the war involve oil? Clearly, but was the (soon to be) largest oil-field on the planet better off under the stewardship of Saddam?!
I don't think I overstate the case in calling the Hussein regime brutal nor am I unfair in describing the Taliban as savage. Both have been unseated from power and now the people of Iraq and Afghanistan have an opportunity to build a brighter future. Their biggest obstacle is Islamism, not the United States.
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24 July 2012, 10:42 AM
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James, your obsession with Islam/Isms/Bombers/Defending the states is not doing your credibility any favours at all. Maybe it's about time the US regime was changed and the American people free to choose their own destiny
24 July 2012, 10:57 AM
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Come on James, i still remember in School when i was a boy (i'm a big girl now) we were studying some subject about the black stuff and the tutor asked us back then should we invade other countries for their natural resources or not.
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By conservative and orthodox philosophies, a person can be considered a Jew only if his or her mother was Jewish (meaning, more specifically, either matrilineal descent from a female believed to be present at Mt. Sinai when the ten commandments were given, or else descent from a female who was converted to Judaism before the birth of her children), or if he or she has personally converted to Judaism.
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Sorry, but who are you to decide whether Saddam should keep keep his oil or not. I tell you how about this. I think your Impreza is in incapable hands. I could look after it better so i should take it from you. (just an example okay). Do you not understand how daft you are coming across? How about the rest of the world invades the Americans as they are obviously using more than their fair share of the black stuff.
Come on James, i still remember in School when i was a boy (i'm a big girl now) we were studying some subject about the black stuff and the tutor asked us back then should we invade other countries for their natural resources or not.
Come on James, i still remember in School when i was a boy (i'm a big girl now) we were studying some subject about the black stuff and the tutor asked us back then should we invade other countries for their natural resources or not.
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JT, do you mind if i reproduce the entire Wiki definition of a Jew, further to our conversations last week. I have to admit, the thread did prompt me into finding out more, so without dragging up the whole issue of what makes somebody a Jew again, i thought i'd just cut and paste the full definition, just in the interest of balance. I wondered how you knew a word like matrilineal, now i know
24 July 2012, 11:05 AM
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24 July 2012, 11:11 AM
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Regarding Afghanistan, would it be correct to say that even given the mineral wealth of the country, it's in some of the most inaccessible areas imaginable?
I have no idea why we're involved in a war there, i don't personally buy the "we'd be in danger if we didn't" story, but i also think America has more pressing concerns than extracting commodities in the mountains of Afghanistan.
I have no idea why we're involved in a war there, i don't personally buy the "we'd be in danger if we didn't" story, but i also think America has more pressing concerns than extracting commodities in the mountains of Afghanistan.
24 July 2012, 05:05 PM
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You've used the words crushed, destroyed and raped in your second sentence; emotionally charged and dishonest adjectives. Had they been used to describe the actions of the Hussein crime family, who the coalition removed from power, I may have found your premise credible.
Did the coalition make mistakes? Yes. Did I at times cringe at the PR effort? Of course. Did the war involve oil? Clearly, but was the (soon to be) largest oil-field on the planet better off under the stewardship of Saddam?!
I don't think I overstate the case in calling the Hussein regime brutal nor am I unfair in describing the Taliban as savage. Both have been unseated from power and now the people of Iraq and Afghanistan have an opportunity to build a brighter future. Their biggest obstacle is Islamism, not the United States.
Did the coalition make mistakes? Yes. Did I at times cringe at the PR effort? Of course. Did the war involve oil? Clearly, but was the (soon to be) largest oil-field on the planet better off under the stewardship of Saddam?!
I don't think I overstate the case in calling the Hussein regime brutal nor am I unfair in describing the Taliban as savage. Both have been unseated from power and now the people of Iraq and Afghanistan have an opportunity to build a brighter future. Their biggest obstacle is Islamism, not the United States.