Decanter petrol next to a lit Gas cooker
31 March 2012, 06:39 PM
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They did not say only store it in the garage. Lots of people do not have garages anyway. Plus the gov even advised people to store more than they are supposed to.
Yes the Gov are not to blame per se for the fire but they perhaps instigated a condition which promoted it.
Quite why they made the announcement can only be guessed at. Perhaps they had the whole country go into petrol chaos mode just for playing politics?
Yes the Gov are not to blame per se for the fire but they perhaps instigated a condition which promoted it.
Quite why they made the announcement can only be guessed at. Perhaps they had the whole country go into petrol chaos mode just for playing politics?
31 March 2012, 07:04 PM
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Yes i'm sure she always stored petrol at home prior to the advice.
To end, if you can compare being advised to buy petrol to cutting a leg off then jog on.
To end, if you can compare being advised to buy petrol to cutting a leg off then jog on.
31 March 2012, 07:36 PM
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The woman was not STORING petrol, she was POURING petrol, in the kitchen, next to a naked flame. A retard of the highest order!
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31 March 2012, 07:42 PM
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Ok, are you telling me she would normally have access to petrol at home?
She was pouring her stored petrol ffs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7602990.html
It's Saturday night and I cant vouch for you but I have better things to do so ciao for now.
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She was pouring her stored petrol ffs.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-7602990.html
It's Saturday night and I cant vouch for you but I have better things to do so ciao for now.
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01 April 2012, 01:01 AM
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But "common knowledge" requires "common experience" and its likely that she had none, therefore it's a meaningless and non-existent concept.
And I wouldn't call it stupidity either, as in her limited experience in handling fuels she wouldn't have realised the likely dangers of explosive vapours.
DCI (here end'th the lesson) Hunt
And I wouldn't call it stupidity either, as in her limited experience in handling fuels she wouldn't have realised the likely dangers of explosive vapours.
DCI (here end'th the lesson) Hunt
It was a moment of stupidity, which has cost the poor lady rather dearly!
Ns "thus petrol vapour and lit gas ovens don't mix" 04
01 April 2012, 08:30 AM
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In a statement, the motoring organisation said that in Cheshire, one observer had seen an elderly woman using a petrol pump to fill jam jars.
"A lady about 75 was seen filling up 20 empty one-gallon paint tins with plastic lids and also a tray of jam jars in her boot with petrol. She had her boot up so the petrol station staff couldn't see what she was doing.
"AA staff went over to her to stop her. Then station staff came out and prevented her from what she was doing. Her excuse was that 'her husband did it every week'," the organisation said.
Another man was seen at the same petrol station filling one gallon washing-up liquid bottles with fuel.
"A lady about 75 was seen filling up 20 empty one-gallon paint tins with plastic lids and also a tray of jam jars in her boot with petrol. She had her boot up so the petrol station staff couldn't see what she was doing.
"AA staff went over to her to stop her. Then station staff came out and prevented her from what she was doing. Her excuse was that 'her husband did it every week'," the organisation said.
Another man was seen at the same petrol station filling one gallon washing-up liquid bottles with fuel.
01 April 2012, 09:52 AM
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There are sixty million people in the country, probably 50 million adults and they aren't all smart or even of average intelligence, throw in alcohol to make it all worse then it is no surprise that some have problems, even the most clued up person occasionally just misjudges something or bites off more than they can chew. I think people don't really have any contact with petrol, it is to them the magic stuff that makes their car go and the car is nice and civilised isnt it ? all very smooth and quiet, it must be like Baby Lotion this stuff that we put in the tank, think they have an idea that its dangerous but having had no direct experience of it then its hard to quantify, especially for those that think warnings dont apply to them.
I hate dealing with petrol, having had the odd mouthful when siphoning and performed many experiments lighting bonfires and the like I know what its like, it makes me uncomfortable it being around, I am not infallible but I have a healthy respect for this evil substance.
The stupidity and lack of intelligence/education is always there, this has just shown that if you put the need there to interact with it then it will go wrong, it is terrifying that there are pensioners filling Jam Jars, I mean, WTF, surely if retired then your need for travel is reduced (as a rule) and there is no need to go to those lengths, perhaps its a bit of war time programming kicking in. My father in law panics if he doesnt have gallons in the car and in jerry cans, he only goes to Waitrose as far as I know.
I hate dealing with petrol, having had the odd mouthful when siphoning and performed many experiments lighting bonfires and the like I know what its like, it makes me uncomfortable it being around, I am not infallible but I have a healthy respect for this evil substance.
The stupidity and lack of intelligence/education is always there, this has just shown that if you put the need there to interact with it then it will go wrong, it is terrifying that there are pensioners filling Jam Jars, I mean, WTF, surely if retired then your need for travel is reduced (as a rule) and there is no need to go to those lengths, perhaps its a bit of war time programming kicking in. My father in law panics if he doesnt have gallons in the car and in jerry cans, he only goes to Waitrose as far as I know.
01 April 2012, 10:02 AM
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And if we're looking for the source for the "queueing hysteria" that led to this, at least one newspaper printed a front page saying that shortages were on the way and people should fill up, BEFORE Maude was on the TV giving some sensible advice. Plus, the unions had already said, again, BEFORE Maude spoke on the TV, they could strike over Easter.
Sorry, but the unions/drivers (who voted for possible strike action) are the ones to blame for the queues and general hysteria about a 'lack of petrol'. This woman is totally responsible for burning herself.
Oh, and did you know that the Unite assistant General Secretary Diana Holland, who is negotiating with ACAS and the government on the strike is also the Treasurer of the Labour Party? Just thought I'd throw that one in .....
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01 April 2012, 11:35 AM
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Yes and the goverment said to keep it in the garage! Not to play silly bollox and take it in to your kitchen to move it from a proper container whilst around a naked flame.
The woman c*cked up big style and I must admit I did laugh a bit at her stupidity and then thought, who's going to get the blame for that.
Her fault and only her fault, nobody else's!
Common sense again though. Why would you think about taking it in doors? If the light isn't good enough then take it outside. If its dark, get the daughter to hold a torch or wait until the morning!
She didn't poor it straight in the tank because the can didn't have a funnel. So why use that can then?
The woman c*cked up big style and I must admit I did laugh a bit at her stupidity and then thought, who's going to get the blame for that.
Her fault and only her fault, nobody else's!
Common sense again though. Why would you think about taking it in doors? If the light isn't good enough then take it outside. If its dark, get the daughter to hold a torch or wait until the morning!
She didn't poor it straight in the tank because the can didn't have a funnel. So why use that can then?
You must be feeling really proud of yourself also telling us how it made you laugh at the fact that she got so severely burned.
What kind of a person are you to get such pleasure when you heard about her terrible accident?
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01 April 2012, 01:09 PM
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Sensible advice 
hence the quick u turn, a slating in the press and calls for his resignation.
The fire brigades union didn't think his advice was too sensible either.
And do you think most of the British public are aware of petrol storage laws regarding quantities, I doubt it.
Nik.
hence the quick u turn, a slating in the press and calls for his resignation. The fire brigades union didn't think his advice was too sensible either.
And do you think most of the British public are aware of petrol storage laws regarding quantities, I doubt it.
Nik.
Umm, why not? Lots of people have a can of petrol in the garage or shed. Maybe for the car, maybe for the mower. Think I've got a couple of cans in the garage now.
And if we're looking for the source for the "queueing hysteria" that led to this, at least one newspaper printed a front page saying that shortages were on the way and people should fill up, BEFORE Maude was on the TV giving some sensible advice. Plus, the unions had already said, again, BEFORE Maude spoke on the TV, they could strike over Easter.
Sorry, but the unions/drivers (who voted for possible strike action) are the ones to blame for the queues and general hysteria about a 'lack of petrol'. This woman is totally responsible for burning herself.
Oh, and did you know that the Unite assistant General Secretary Diana Holland, who is negotiating with ACAS and the government on the strike is also the Treasurer of the Labour Party? Just thought I'd throw that one in .....
Dave
And if we're looking for the source for the "queueing hysteria" that led to this, at least one newspaper printed a front page saying that shortages were on the way and people should fill up, BEFORE Maude was on the TV giving some sensible advice. Plus, the unions had already said, again, BEFORE Maude spoke on the TV, they could strike over Easter.
Sorry, but the unions/drivers (who voted for possible strike action) are the ones to blame for the queues and general hysteria about a 'lack of petrol'. This woman is totally responsible for burning herself.
Oh, and did you know that the Unite assistant General Secretary Diana Holland, who is negotiating with ACAS and the government on the strike is also the Treasurer of the Labour Party? Just thought I'd throw that one in .....
Dave
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01 April 2012, 02:14 PM
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To blame the govt for this is ridiculous ... she only has herself to blame for pouring petrol in the kitchen with the gas cooker lit
I mean, seriously, how thick do you have to be ... it's fuel, everyone knows it's fuel, there's warnings everywhere at the petrol station about not smoking, naked flames, engine off etc etc
dont tell me she's never seen anything in a film or soap drama about petrol, petrol pumps, cars exploding, seen a molotov cocktail thrown in a film??
a moment of immense stupidity that will affect her for the rest of her life
sympathy? A little, but not a lot.
I mean, seriously, how thick do you have to be ... it's fuel, everyone knows it's fuel, there's warnings everywhere at the petrol station about not smoking, naked flames, engine off etc etc
dont tell me she's never seen anything in a film or soap drama about petrol, petrol pumps, cars exploding, seen a molotov cocktail thrown in a film??
a moment of immense stupidity that will affect her for the rest of her life
sympathy? A little, but not a lot.
01 April 2012, 04:36 PM
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To blame the govt for this is ridiculous ... she only has herself to blame for pouring petrol in the kitchen with the gas cooker lit
I mean, seriously, how thick do you have to be ... it's fuel, everyone knows it's fuel, there's warnings everywhere at the petrol station about not smoking, naked flames, engine off etc etc
dont tell me she's never seen anything in a film or soap drama about petrol, petrol pumps, cars exploding, seen a molotov cocktail thrown in a film??
a moment of immense stupidity that will affect her for the rest of her life
sympathy? A little, but not a lot.
I mean, seriously, how thick do you have to be ... it's fuel, everyone knows it's fuel, there's warnings everywhere at the petrol station about not smoking, naked flames, engine off etc etc
dont tell me she's never seen anything in a film or soap drama about petrol, petrol pumps, cars exploding, seen a molotov cocktail thrown in a film??
a moment of immense stupidity that will affect her for the rest of her life
sympathy? A little, but not a lot.
But no ones blaming (well I'm not) the HMG - what I'm clearly saying is that when you (the HMG) give out knee jerk advice about storing fuel you should back it up with a couple of warnings, that's all....
I thought you'd all have the common sense to appreciate that - show's that most don't
01 April 2012, 08:33 PM
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Simple scientific rule of cause and effect;
Cause - Stupid person + can of petrol = Effect - A life time of pain and suffering.
I think she's paid enough for her stupidity.
Cause - Stupid person + can of petrol = Effect - A life time of pain and suffering.
I think she's paid enough for her stupidity.
01 April 2012, 09:18 PM
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Sympathy - a massive amount, 40% burns... tragic.
But no ones blaming (well I'm not) the HMG - what I'm clearly saying is that when you (the HMG) give out knee jerk advice about storing fuel you should back it up with a couple of warnings, that's all....
I thought you'd all have the common sense to appreciate that - show's that most don't
But no ones blaming (well I'm not) the HMG - what I'm clearly saying is that when you (the HMG) give out knee jerk advice about storing fuel you should back it up with a couple of warnings, that's all....
I thought you'd all have the common sense to appreciate that - show's that most don't
01 April 2012, 11:39 PM
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Sympathy - a massive amount, 40% burns... tragic.
But no ones blaming (well I'm not) the HMG - what I'm clearly saying is that when you (the HMG) give out knee jerk advice about storing fuel you should back it up with a couple of warnings, that's all....
I thought you'd all have the common sense to appreciate that - show's that most don't
But no ones blaming (well I'm not) the HMG - what I'm clearly saying is that when you (the HMG) give out knee jerk advice about storing fuel you should back it up with a couple of warnings, that's all....
I thought you'd all have the common sense to appreciate that - show's that most don't
Exactly. Think I made a similar post earlier on, Shexy
02 April 2012, 01:02 AM
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Sympathy - a massive amount, 40% burns... tragic.
But no ones blaming (well I'm not) the HMG - what I'm clearly saying is that when you (the HMG) give out knee jerk advice about storing fuel you should back it up with a couple of warnings, that's all....
I thought you'd all have the common sense to appreciate that - show's that most don't
But no ones blaming (well I'm not) the HMG - what I'm clearly saying is that when you (the HMG) give out knee jerk advice about storing fuel you should back it up with a couple of warnings, that's all....
I thought you'd all have the common sense to appreciate that - show's that most don't
Leading on from an earlier comment about the nanny state, and not liking it, nor do I. I don't like to have my life dictated to me, but it does to a point surprise me that, considering how much the government are trying to do this, that they didn't see fit to put out a warning on how to store petrol safely, given that they were happy enough to encourage panic buying of a product most people don't have alot of real contact with. I'm not suggesting people shouldn't be responsible for themselves, but sadly not everybody does have the knowledge that they maybe should.
02 April 2012, 06:07 AM
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But "common knowledge" requires "common experience" and its likely that she had none, therefore it's a meaningless and non-existent concept.
And I wouldn't call it stupidity either, as in her limited experience in handling fuels she wouldn't have realised the likely dangers of explosive vapours.
DCI (here end'th the lesson) Hunt
And I wouldn't call it stupidity either, as in her limited experience in handling fuels she wouldn't have realised the likely dangers of explosive vapours.
DCI (here end'th the lesson) Hunt
As said before an almost empty container is much more dangerous than a full one, i used to do phone installations into petrochem vehicles and they need to be full before we could do them, the none articulated ones.
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There is also a hint of injurylawyers/hadanaccidentwithpetrol?.com contacting the family and suggesting that they will get a massive payout from HMG. After all no-one else could possibly be held responsible except for the woman herself. Wonder if she'll claim for the damage off the house insurance?
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There is also a hint of injurylawyers/hadanaccidentwithpetrol?.com contacting the family and suggesting that they will get a massive payout from HMG. After all no-one else could possibly be held responsible except for the woman herself. Wonder if she'll claim for the damage off the house insurance?
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