MadUsa1

Interesting, they must have gone to aluminium later on then.

On my hawk its definitely not magnetic

The Pink Ninja

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Magnet sticks to mine

Are all hawk bootlids ali or just he Spec C/JDM `s

Tony,

I`m still a bit dubious if my result yesterday was a little on the generous side(As in it was spinning/loosing traction a bit on the rollers?)

I`m happy with the way it drives on the road so not really bothered, Only put it on to get a comparison from the last dyno it had in 2006, Still makes me wonder if it has had anything done to the turbo though?

Gaz.

MadUsa1

My EDM STI has a steel bootlood.

Robocop

My MY06 Spec C bootlid is made from aluminium.

lockley

I never knew that.

A few more bits of info here if its anygood to you.

http://www.type-ra.co.uk/vB/showthre...7903#post67903

TonyBurns

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You could have had a bit of slipage on the rollers Gaz, think mine was down because of the winter tyres, ran last time with RE070's, and as the magnet sticks to your boot, its steel

Tony

Suberman

Cheers for the info Shaun.

Suberman

Not until the MY05 Shaun. MY05 onwards they did get a ali boot lid.

Yes. From MY05 onwards.

johnfelstead

The specs change every year, it's pointless trying to state anything regarding these cars and their differences without stating what year you are refering to.

I made up this comparison, taken straight off the FIA homologation sheets plus the factory spec sheets.

Comparison of the MY05 and MY04 models

MY05 Blobeye MY04 Blobeye

Rear bodywork width 1738mm 1725mm
Wheelbase 2540mm 2525mm
Rear track 1515mm 1505mm
Front body overhang 920mm 930mm
Rear body overhang 955mm 960mm
Steering wheel to rear bulkhead 1502mm 1510mm
Steering wheel to brake pedal 660mm 628mm
Conrod weight 578g 549g
Flywheel weight 8284g 8439g
Air charge temp sensor in plenum Fitted Not Fitted
Minimum Homologated weight 1271kg 1293kg
Min distance hub to wheel arch F333mm R277mm F350mm R315mm
Head/Bore Comb chamber min vol 67.8cm3 66.6cm3
Head Combustion chamber min vol 48.5cm3 48.5cm3
Max compression ratio 8.3:1 8.5:1
Downpipe flange diameter 130x82mm 110x64mm
Front LSD Helical Suretrack
Rear LSD Plated Plated
Front ARB 20mm 19mm
Wheel size 17x8 17x7.5

Spec C additional homologations MY05 only
Alloy boot lid Added
Roof Vent Added
Boot IC water tank Added
Min weight Min 1234kg
Oil capacity Decrease to 5.3L
Fuel tank capacity 51.5L
Engine oil cooler oil/air
Gearbox oil cooler oil/air
Fuel pump baffle chamber Added
Rear wiper Deleted

No Spec C homologation was made for the MY02/03/04

Comparison of the MY05 and MY06 models

MY05 Blobeye MY06 Hawkeye

Engine size 1994.3cc 1997.8cc
Overall length 4415mm 4465mm
Front body overhang 920mm 975mm
Rear body overhang 955mm 950mm
Steering wheel to rear bulkhead 1502mm 1660mm
Steering wheel to brake pedal 660mm 640mm
Bore 92.0mm 92.02mm
Stroke 75.0mm 75.1mm
Gearbox drop gear ratio 1:1 1.1:1
Gearbox drop gear teeth 31:31 33:30
Rear diff ratio 10:39 11:39
Rear bootlid material steel aluminium
Bonnet scoop aperture height 90mm 60mm
Minimum Homologated weight 1271kg 1345kg
Min distance hub to wheel arch F333mm R277mm F340mm R310mm
Head/Bore Comb chamber min vol 67.8cm3 67.1cm3
Head Combustion chamber min vol 48.5cm3 48.5cm3
Max compression ratio 8.3:1 8.4:1
Lubrication system total capacity 5.5L 5.0L
Fuel Pump Unisia JECS 3.75l/min Hitachi 3.75l/min
Alternator 900Watts 1080Watts
Torque split range Front 35%-50% 41%-50%
Torque split range Rear 65%-50% 59%-50%
Front LSD Helical Helical
Rear LSD Plated Plated

Spec C additional homologations
Alloy boot lid Added As STi
Roof Vent Added Added
Boot IC water tank Added Added
Min weight Min 1234kg Min 1300kg
Oil capacity Decrease to 5.3L Increase to 5.3L
Fuel tank capacity 51.5L 51.5L and 61.5L
Engine oil cooler oil/air oil/air
Gearbox oil cooler oil/air oil/air
Fuel pump baffle chamber Added Added
Rear wiper Deleted Deleted

GroupN spec opened up in 2006 for more modifications using none OEM parts to allow 5 speed gear kit, 19mm and 21mm ARB’s, Front plated LSD, larger brakes, Servo delete, hydraulic handbrake etc….

johnfelstead

MY07 JDM STi and Spec C wasn't homologated.

Other main differences between the cars are as follows

MY07 JDM STi Hawkeye MY07 Spec C Hawkeye

Rear LSD Torsen Plated
Boot lid Steel Aluminium
Weight 1460kg 1390kg
Rear cross bar no yes
Headlamp HID projector
Turbo core Sleave ball bearing
IC Spray bottle Engine boot
Engine oil cooler oil/water oil/air
Gearbox oil cooler none oil/air
fuel pump surge no yes
reverse buzzer yes no
rear wiper yes no
double horn yes no
aerial glass pillar
rear speakers yes no
rear seat armrest yes no
passenger visor yes no
assist grips yes no
map spot lights yes no
remote door handle yes no
fuel tank 60L 50L
roof vent no yes
UV privacy glass yes no
leather handbrake yes no
steering cooler no yes
wiper blade fin yes no
ally shifter ring yes no

Suberman

Cheers for the post John! That should answer any question that may be asked in the next few weeks.

johnfelstead

Prices in Japan using exchange rate at the time
Prices in Japan using current exchange rate in bold
Prices as imported to UK would have been much higher post import duty, taxes and SVA
The Spec C version came mostly as a 17" version, the 16" version was significantly cheaper!

MY05 JDM STi
3,203,000 Yen £16,176 £24,755
3,302,000 Yen with privacy glass option (as per mine) £16,676 £25,520

MY05 JDM STi Spec C 17"
3,433,000 Yen £17,338 £26,532
Price difference to JDM STi +131,000 Yen = +£650 = +£1012 = +3.9%

MY05 JDM STi Spec C 16"
2,951,000 Yen £14,904 £22,807
Price difference to JDM STi -351,000 Yen = -£1772 = -£2712 = -8.5%

MY06 JDM STi
3,307,000 Yen £16131 £25,559

MY06 JDM STi Spec C 17"
3,405,000 Yen £16609 £26,316
Price difference to JDM STi +98,000 Yen = +£478 +£757 = +2.9%

MY06 JDM STi Spec C 16"
2,974,000 Yen £14507 £22,985
Price difference to JDM STi -333,000 Yen = -£1624 -£2573 = -14.5%

MY07 JDM STi
3,344,000 Yen £14229 £25,845

MY07 JDM STi Spec C 17"
3,436,000 Yen £14621 £26,556
Price difference +92,000 Yen = +£391 +£711 = +2.7%

MY07 JDM STi Spec C 16"
3,007,000 Yen £12795 £23,240
Price difference to JDM STi -337,000 Yen = -£1434 -£2604 = -11.2%

Just looking at the exchange rate differences, you can see why the JDM spec cars are rare and are not being imported anymore, which is keeping their prices relatively high. 2007 was a good year to be a JDM importer! 2012 most definately isnt!

juggers

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John you got to much time on your hands!!

johnfelstead

I wish that were true these days! Was in work this morning finishing off a car.

Cannon Fodder

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I can never figure out with my Spec C Motorsport is why it comes with factory fitted air con, electric windows and central locking.

Why go for the lightweight version and then add weight back onto it?

Cannon Fodder

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But it's entertaining to drive with no ABS and AP 6 pot calipers on the front.

tubbytommy

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i thought that too,seems odd to save weight and then have heavy items like air con still in it.

juggers

iTrader: (1)

I thought that about your car when I bought it over, I think it was missing an oil cooler to for some odd reason.

johnfelstead

16" Spec C doesn't have an engine oil cooler fitted.

Air Con was a factory optional extra on 16" Spec C.

juggers

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That clears that up then, it was the only 16" spec c I had ever seen at the time.

Cannon Fodder

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Juggers, funnily enough I junked the AC when I had the engine rebuilt as the condensor was in the way of my Setrab competition oil cooler radiator.

The only thing left that I'm considering 'sorting out' is converting the DCCD to automatic by the fitment of a controller called DCCD Pro or similar.

MadUsa1

how much does the aircon weigh in these things?

Shaun

Corrected!!

apac

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I can second this. I did once have a web page to STI Japan that announced the homolagation of the 05 Speccie.

johnfelstead

MadUsa1

Great link there! Thanks for posting that up.

So indeed the 2006 Spec C (GDBF4FH) IS FIA homologated.

MadUsa1

Tony - how does your UK 340R compare to the Spec C in terms of performance and handling?

urban

iTrader: (1)

I'd say worlds apart in performance terms.
That's based on having driven a spec c in anger, and having owned an MY05 remapped STI with approx 335bhp.
Handling was similar apart from a quicker steering rack.

chunkb

Dave is a good friend of mine and you Sir,have got a great car,look after it well.

T5NYW

iTrader: (4)

My JDM hawk Sti Type 20 would eat my 340R alive in performance stakes the UK car would need to be 380+ bhp or 400+ to keep up with the response

handling would be similar in standard form. Although I found it to harsh on the road main problem is the very flexible bushes and very stiff suspension doesn't help comfort or handling IMHO

Im not tracking the 340r but if I was I'd would have possibly gone up a spring rate. So I have softened up the suspension with AST coilovers but now need to sort out bushes as too soft

The biggest missings are

No turbo lag
quick rack
Feedback through steering

Tony