Impreza sales slump
03 February 2012, 08:44 PM
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I've tried to ignore your posts f1_fan over the past few weeks since Christmas, but your always having a right go at someone about something, anything, Sports in my case and on this thread, just about everybody with an opinion that differs to yours regarding the hatch models.
You must be a total control freak. Your poor partner. On second thoughts you must live alone, no one could put up with your relentless rants for very long without going insane or topping themselves, or you!
I personally love the new hatch and the saloon and if I had the money for a new one, I would buy a new Subaru without a second glance at any of the 2WD competition.
Long may Subaru remain a strong motoring icon in the UK. f1_fan you're just a Judas!
You must be a total control freak. Your poor partner. On second thoughts you must live alone, no one could put up with your relentless rants for very long without going insane or topping themselves, or you!
I personally love the new hatch and the saloon and if I had the money for a new one, I would buy a new Subaru without a second glance at any of the 2WD competition.
Long may Subaru remain a strong motoring icon in the UK. f1_fan you're just a Judas!
It's a brand of car, not a member of the family. Get over yourself you tedious buffoon!
03 February 2012, 08:48 PM
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03 February 2012, 08:58 PM
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I used approx 1/4 litre in first 1000 miles but maybe just the ground level i always test it on 
couple of weeks after the 1000 service I also added another 1/4L and nothing else in 5,000 miles 
i'm also averaging 22.5mpg over 6kmiles and 13mpg around town
i can get 34mpg on a run but then dying of boredom
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couple of weeks after the 1000 service I also added another 1/4L and nothing else in 5,000 miles i'm also averaging 22.5mpg over 6kmiles and 13mpg around town
i can get 34mpg on a run but then dying of boredom
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03 February 2012, 08:58 PM
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No, you posted your personal opinions so there is nothing there really to discus. You hate them, others love them, end of.
I posted facts so theres plenty to discus. Let me remind you.
You said where only 300 odd hatches sold in 2011 proves subaru are in trouble and these poor sales show people hate the hatch. You also went on to say you hope subaru pull out of the uk which i found strange coming from a so called enthusiast.
I pointed out that the hatch over this period was a superseaded model. Therefor for subaru to sell over 300 during 2011 shows it was in fact a sought after model.
What are your thoughts on this?
I posted facts so theres plenty to discus. Let me remind you.
You said where only 300 odd hatches sold in 2011 proves subaru are in trouble and these poor sales show people hate the hatch. You also went on to say you hope subaru pull out of the uk which i found strange coming from a so called enthusiast.
I pointed out that the hatch over this period was a superseaded model. Therefor for subaru to sell over 300 during 2011 shows it was in fact a sought after model.
What are your thoughts on this?
2005 Subaru UK sales: 9.5K vehicles
2011 Subaru Uk sales: 2K vehicles
Find me another production line manufacturer wtih anything like that drop in sales and I will show you another company heading out of the UK.
Just because I used to like Subaru and their older products doesn't mean I have to like their current ones. They are akin to an injured animal lying at the roadside and need putting out if their misery as far as the UK goes IMO!
03 February 2012, 09:09 PM
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03 February 2012, 09:12 PM
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OK I will make this simple for you as it seems I have to,
2005 Subaru UK sales: 9.5K vehicles
2011 Subaru Uk sales: 2K vehicles
Find me another production line manufacturer wtih anything like that drop in sales and I will show you another company heading out of the UK.
Just because I used to like Subaru and their older products doesn't mean I have to like their current ones. They are akin to an injured animal lying at the roadside and need putting out if their misery as far as the UK goes IMO!
2005 Subaru UK sales: 9.5K vehicles
2011 Subaru Uk sales: 2K vehicles
Find me another production line manufacturer wtih anything like that drop in sales and I will show you another company heading out of the UK.
Just because I used to like Subaru and their older products doesn't mean I have to like their current ones. They are akin to an injured animal lying at the roadside and need putting out if their misery as far as the UK goes IMO!
To be honest i have no clue how to research sales figures but my guess is all car manufactures are struggling in this area. Saab have gone bust, GM would have also gone (the parent company of saab and largest car manufacturer in the world) if it were not for huge government bail outs.
Fact is in 2005 we were in a bit of a boom period but in 2011 we are in a global recession.
My point was the hatch was still selling even though it was a superseded model.
03 February 2012, 09:38 PM
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Yet another example of someone doing some google-ing and jumping on a high horse pretended to be Mr. Knwoledge, if you look back at your original quote on the matter:
Now I am not pretending to be Mr. Knowledge but I have a reasonable understanding of some physics and mechanics
SOME 2wd cars with winter tyres may be better than SOME 4wd with normal tyres but given the way 2wd cars seem to be going, more power so are fitted with bigger wider wheels, being the norm which are then replaced with winter tyres, I would take an old fiat panda 4x4 on summer skinnys over something like a new golf on winters any day!-Note how that wasn't a sweeping statement like most of yours seem to be.
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The quote you had a go at about having a car that defies physics is what really wound me up.
A person was giving his experience of his car, somewhere he had been, no comment to the other cars or their tyre sizes or type. And you basically shot him out as being a liar based upon you apparent hatred for a car type you own or have owned.
As far as I know peaks refer to hills, going up a hill transfers weight onto the rear wheels, giving better traction for a 4wd car, and making it worse for a 2wd as it is removing weight from the driven wheels-Given that the cars are of roughly equal weight.
RANT OVER
Yeah sure, you have a car that can defy physics. Well done
A 2wd car with winter tyres will be better in winter conditions than a 4wd with 'standard' tyres every time. And winter tyres make more of a difference than 4wd ever will.
Just Google it if you don't believe me.
A 2wd car with winter tyres will be better in winter conditions than a 4wd with 'standard' tyres every time. And winter tyres make more of a difference than 4wd ever will.
Just Google it if you don't believe me.
SOME 2wd cars with winter tyres may be better than SOME 4wd with normal tyres but given the way 2wd cars seem to be going, more power so are fitted with bigger wider wheels, being the norm which are then replaced with winter tyres, I would take an old fiat panda 4x4 on summer skinnys over something like a new golf on winters any day!-Note how that wasn't a sweeping statement like most of yours seem to be.
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The quote you had a go at about having a car that defies physics is what really wound me up.
A person was giving his experience of his car, somewhere he had been, no comment to the other cars or their tyre sizes or type. And you basically shot him out as being a liar based upon you apparent hatred for a car type you own or have owned.
As far as I know peaks refer to hills, going up a hill transfers weight onto the rear wheels, giving better traction for a 4wd car, and making it worse for a 2wd as it is removing weight from the driven wheels-Given that the cars are of roughly equal weight.
RANT OVER
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Yet another example of someone doing some google-ing and jumping on a high horse pretended to be Mr. Knwoledge, if you look back at your original quote on the matter:
Now I am not pretending to be Mr. Knowledge but I have a reasonable understanding of some physics and mechanics
SOME 2wd cars with winter tyres may be better than SOME 4wd with normal tyres but given the way 2wd cars seem to be going, more power so are fitted with bigger wider wheels, being the norm which are then replaced with winter tyres, I would take an old fiat panda 4x4 on summer skinnys over something like a new golf on winters any day!-Note how that wasn't a sweeping statement like most of yours seem to be.
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The quote you had a go at about having a car that defies physics is what really wound me up.
A person was giving his experience of his car, somewhere he had been, no comment to the other cars or their tyre sizes or type. And you basically shot him out as being a liar based upon you apparent hatred for a car type you own or have owned.
As far as I know peaks refer to hills, going up a hill transfers weight onto the rear wheels, giving better traction for a 4wd car, and making it worse for a 2wd as it is removing weight from the driven wheels-Given that the cars are of roughly equal weight.
RANT OVER
Now I am not pretending to be Mr. Knowledge but I have a reasonable understanding of some physics and mechanics
SOME 2wd cars with winter tyres may be better than SOME 4wd with normal tyres but given the way 2wd cars seem to be going, more power so are fitted with bigger wider wheels, being the norm which are then replaced with winter tyres, I would take an old fiat panda 4x4 on summer skinnys over something like a new golf on winters any day!-Note how that wasn't a sweeping statement like most of yours seem to be.
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The quote you had a go at about having a car that defies physics is what really wound me up.
A person was giving his experience of his car, somewhere he had been, no comment to the other cars or their tyre sizes or type. And you basically shot him out as being a liar based upon you apparent hatred for a car type you own or have owned.
As far as I know peaks refer to hills, going up a hill transfers weight onto the rear wheels, giving better traction for a 4wd car, and making it worse for a 2wd as it is removing weight from the driven wheels-Given that the cars are of roughly equal weight.
RANT OVER
The googling was for the benefit of the poster not me. I do actually understand the physcis here, and so I should.
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03 February 2012, 09:52 PM
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You make a good point and i'm sure a small company like subaru uk are in trouble .
To be honest i have no clue how to research sales figures but my guess is all car manufactures are struggling in this area. Saab have gone bust, GM would have also gone (the parent company of saab and largest car manufacturer in the world) if it were not for huge government bail outs.
Fact is in 2005 we were in a bit of a boom period but in 2011 we are in a global recession.
My point was the hatch was still selling even though it was a superseded model.
To be honest i have no clue how to research sales figures but my guess is all car manufactures are struggling in this area. Saab have gone bust, GM would have also gone (the parent company of saab and largest car manufacturer in the world) if it were not for huge government bail outs.
Fact is in 2005 we were in a bit of a boom period but in 2011 we are in a global recession.
My point was the hatch was still selling even though it was a superseded model.
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03 February 2012, 10:02 PM
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How can you rest your case, your case was made on nothing more than assumptions!
I'd imagine an unmolested impreza has 215/225 wheels. Compare that to what most generic 2wd hatchbacks on the road are fitted with which is around the 195 (i'm ruling out the fact he would be on about bm's etc with silly fat wheels as they would expect to get stuck in such conditions)
I would take my chances with the impreza over the hatch (again presuming similar weights) with winters.
I also retract my statement about you google-ing. It was the way you were making you statements that made me think that.
But if you do understand the physics then you should also know you cant make sweeping statements about it. which is what my post was mostly about.
03 February 2012, 10:05 PM
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If you no longer like Subaru's or other Subaru drivers, why don't you just f*ck off this website and give the genuine supporters of the brand a bit of piece and quiet!
BYE BYE f1_fan, have a nice life driving your new Ford clitoris! (every other c*nts got one)
03 February 2012, 10:10 PM
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03 February 2012, 10:23 PM
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f1_fan verses the world!
If you no longer like Subaru's or other Subaru drivers, why don't you just f*ck off this website and give the genuine supporters of the brand a bit of piece and quiet!
BYE BYE f1_fan, have a nice life driving your new Ford clitoris! (every other c*nts got one)
If you no longer like Subaru's or other Subaru drivers, why don't you just f*ck off this website and give the genuine supporters of the brand a bit of piece and quiet!
BYE BYE f1_fan, have a nice life driving your new Ford clitoris! (every other c*nts got one)
Keep going, I'm enjoying watching your little meltdown. I tell you what though, if you're representative of the new breed of Subaru driver I may as well take your advice P.S Subaru's what, piece of what? and it's c*nt's with an apostrophe
03 February 2012, 10:24 PM
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Well if most or all manufactures were not struggling why are many factory's on 3 days weeks. For instance Vauxhall in Luton and Honda in Swindon just to name 2. Even Ford Transit in Southampton is facing closure. Also the government tried to help with the scrapage scheme. Is this bla bla bla or fact?
03 February 2012, 10:30 PM
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How can you rest your case, your case was made on nothing more than assumptions!
I'd imagine an unmolested impreza has 215/225 wheels. Compare that to what most generic 2wd hatchbacks on the road are fitted with which is around the 195 (i'm ruling out the fact he would be on about bm's etc with silly fat wheels as they would expect to get stuck in such conditions)
I would take my chances with the impreza over the hatch (again presuming similar weights) with winters.
I also retract my statement about you google-ing. It was the way you were making you statements that made me think that.
But if you do understand the physics then you should also know you cant make sweeping statements about it. which is what my post was mostly about.
I'd imagine an unmolested impreza has 215/225 wheels. Compare that to what most generic 2wd hatchbacks on the road are fitted with which is around the 195 (i'm ruling out the fact he would be on about bm's etc with silly fat wheels as they would expect to get stuck in such conditions)
I would take my chances with the impreza over the hatch (again presuming similar weights) with winters.
I also retract my statement about you google-ing. It was the way you were making you statements that made me think that.
But if you do understand the physics then you should also know you cant make sweeping statements about it. which is what my post was mostly about.
Take a reaosnable FWD car and a reasonable 4WD car (not off roader) on normal tyres and the 4wd will be able to get places in snow and ice that the 2wd won't but not by as big a margin as you'd think.
Put winter tyres on both vehicles and both of their capablities will be greatly improved with the 4wd still winning out but again not by much.
Now put the 4wd back on standard tyres and the FWD will be able to outperform it by quite some margin. A much greater marhin than the differences seen between 2wd and 4wd on the same tyres.
All thesw people who say they sail past all other stranded cars in their standard tyred Imprezas in the snow and ice are living in fantasy land.
In fact I remember Performance Car doing a test of a 4wd Audi vs it's 2wd counterpart in verious road conditions and they actually found there was nothing to choose between them until the going got really slippery and even then the differences were minimal.
03 February 2012, 10:51 PM
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Look, on the basis you have just demonstrated that I can write English better than you in my sleep I don't think this is the time to start banging on about intellectual ability.
As for the quoted post come back when you know what you are talking about... will be a long wait! Isn't it past your bedtime anyway?
As for the quoted post come back when you know what you are talking about... will be a long wait! Isn't it past your bedtime anyway?
03 February 2012, 11:02 PM
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Fair enough, but my point is quite simple.
Take a reaosnable FWD car and a reasonable 4WD car (not off roader) on normal tyres and the 4wd will be able to get places in snow and ice that the 2wd won't but not by as big a margin as you'd think.
Put winter tyres on both vehicles and both of their capablities will be greatly improved with the 4wd still winning out but again not by much.
Now put the 4wd back on standard tyres and the FWD will be able to outperform it by quite some margin. A much greater marhin than the differences seen between 2wd and 4wd on the same tyres.
All thesw people who say they sail past all other stranded cars in their standard tyred Imprezas in the snow and ice are living in fantasy land.
In fact I remember Performance Car doing a test of a 4wd Audi vs it's 2wd counterpart in verious road conditions and they actually found there was nothing to choose between them until the going got really slippery and even then the differences were minimal.
Take a reaosnable FWD car and a reasonable 4WD car (not off roader) on normal tyres and the 4wd will be able to get places in snow and ice that the 2wd won't but not by as big a margin as you'd think.
Put winter tyres on both vehicles and both of their capablities will be greatly improved with the 4wd still winning out but again not by much.
Now put the 4wd back on standard tyres and the FWD will be able to outperform it by quite some margin. A much greater marhin than the differences seen between 2wd and 4wd on the same tyres.
All thesw people who say they sail past all other stranded cars in their standard tyred Imprezas in the snow and ice are living in fantasy land.
In fact I remember Performance Car doing a test of a 4wd Audi vs it's 2wd counterpart in verious road conditions and they actually found there was nothing to choose between them until the going got really slippery and even then the differences were minimal.
But it is a widely known fact that very few people put winter tyres on due to the unlikely hood of bad conditions and even then its not too bad in this country (Hence after last year there has been a big push on winter tyres this time round) so chances are the people that he went past has normal tyres, possibly wider than that of his impreza hence why he could carry on where they floundered, making the first statement true.
I would have thought most 4wd's would't be too bothered by what this country's mild winter has to throw at them regardless but a poorly driven 2wd car with the wrong tyres would struggle if not stop.
Based on that I would say there would be a fair chance they would have 'sailed' past in an impreza due to the cars that are stranded are likely equipped with wrong tyres, it is just as likely that a 2wd focus sailed past the same people 10 mins later as it was equipped with winter tyres.
So I do agree with what you've said this time, you only have to look at the monstrosity that is the BMW X6 to see that 4wd is useless with fat painted on tyres.
03 February 2012, 11:04 PM
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Look, on the basis you have just demonstrated that I can write English better than you in my sleep I don't think this is the time to start banging on about intellectual ability.
As for the quoted post come back when you know what you are talking about... will be a long wait! Isn't it past your bedtime anyway?
As for the quoted post come back when you know what you are talking about... will be a long wait! Isn't it past your bedtime anyway?
03 February 2012, 11:25 PM
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Ok i'll take your point on board this time as you made examples and there was no general statement.
But it is a widely known fact that very few people put winter tyres on due to the unlikely hood of bad conditions and even then its not too bad in this country (Hence after last year there has been a big push on winter tyres this time round) so chances are the people that he went past has normal tyres, possibly wider than that of his impreza hence why he could carry on where they floundered, making the first statement true.
I would have thought most 4wd's would't be too bothered by what this country's mild winter has to throw at them regardless but a poorly driven 2wd car with the wrong tyres would struggle if not stop.
Based on that I would say there would be a fair chance they would have 'sailed' past in an impreza due to the cars that are stranded are likely equipped with wrong tyres, it is just as likely that a 2wd focus sailed past the same people 10 mins later as it was equipped with winter tyres.
So I do agree with what you've said this time, you only have to look at the monstrosity that is the BMW X6 to see that 4wd is useless with fat painted on tyres.
But it is a widely known fact that very few people put winter tyres on due to the unlikely hood of bad conditions and even then its not too bad in this country (Hence after last year there has been a big push on winter tyres this time round) so chances are the people that he went past has normal tyres, possibly wider than that of his impreza hence why he could carry on where they floundered, making the first statement true.
I would have thought most 4wd's would't be too bothered by what this country's mild winter has to throw at them regardless but a poorly driven 2wd car with the wrong tyres would struggle if not stop.
Based on that I would say there would be a fair chance they would have 'sailed' past in an impreza due to the cars that are stranded are likely equipped with wrong tyres, it is just as likely that a 2wd focus sailed past the same people 10 mins later as it was equipped with winter tyres.
So I do agree with what you've said this time, you only have to look at the monstrosity that is the BMW X6 to see that 4wd is useless with fat painted on tyres.
I have driven some of my Scoobs in the snow and found them to be OK but the one year I put some winter tyres on the orginal wheels and swapped them over when the snow came it was a revelation. I left them on until Spring after that.
Until you have experienced the difference I don't think you'd believe it. I am talking about winter tyres btw not snow tyres, you can pop them on at the start of winter and take them off in Spring, they run fine on dry roads just not as good as normal tyres, but when the sleet and snow comes....
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Yes agreed re. the X6 sort of thing, but that is kind of my point.. the Impreza has pretty wide tyres and that is not a criticism, just an observation.
I have driven some of my Scoobs in the snow and found them to be OK but the one year I put some winter tyres on the orginal wheels and swapped them over when the snow came it was a revelation. I left them on until Spring after that.
Until you have experienced the difference I don't think you'd believe it. I am talking about winter tyres btw not snow tyres, you can pop them on at the start of winter and take them off in Spring, they run fine on dry roads just not as good as normal tyres, but when the sleet and snow comes....
I have driven some of my Scoobs in the snow and found them to be OK but the one year I put some winter tyres on the orginal wheels and swapped them over when the snow came it was a revelation. I left them on until Spring after that.
Until you have experienced the difference I don't think you'd believe it. I am talking about winter tyres btw not snow tyres, you can pop them on at the start of winter and take them off in Spring, they run fine on dry roads just not as good as normal tyres, but when the sleet and snow comes....
There we go! a mature debate and I believe it is now over both parties have come away with a more informed view.
From that it's clear you can comment with a good amount of knowledge and information.
If you just made less sweeping generalisations and brash statements, i'm sure you wouldn't have people biting your head off all the time, but at the same time getting your point across whilst opening it up to other opinions.
It's a much more useful and civil way of going about things.