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Old 13 January 2012, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stevebt
Anyways are you coming to silverstone this year Shaun


Martin what fuels were they on and how long did the engines last as I notice the graphs are from 2009.
The 35R car is still going and was running VPower.
The 35/42 car was written off, rebuilt broken for bits and we have just refreshed the motor for it's latest owner for use with a Billet 30R. It was running Sunoco race fuel at 700+.
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Originally Posted by stevebt
No impreza is "relaibly" running 700bhp and the standard heads won't get you to 700bhp ask any of the mappers
sorry but i dont see the point in this post? as said "read in a magazine" seen as though you've never been wrong perhaps you should write a letter to bonzai magazine them selfs and let them know? or perhaps contact duncan graham personally (the owner of the car in question) and let him know he's lying?

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Old 15 January 2012, 10:36 AM
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I think Steves' point is that running 700bhp from a Subaru boxer will mean it has a relatively short life span if its used at that level of power for any length of time...Banzai and many other magazines regularly make mistakes for the record, they are not infallible my any means and do not necessarily validate the claims of the feature cars.

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Originally Posted by trails
I think Steves point is that running 700bhp from a Subaru boxer will mean it has a relatively short life span if its used at that level of power for any length of time...Banzi and many other magazines regularly make mistakes for the record, they are not invaluable my any means and do not necessarily validate the claims of the future cars.
Infallible not invaluable. Bloody phone.
Old 15 January 2012, 11:09 AM
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Feature not Future.
Old 15 January 2012, 11:31 AM
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I'm doing a bolt on build at mo on my 05 sti will be running a md321t etc etc i have a full 3" straight through system on it will this be fine????
Old 15 January 2012, 11:39 AM
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I think you will find the bigsinky was commenting from the perspective of the drivers seat and how a high powered lightweight car behaves on the road...your classic must have been a handful and given you a few white knuckle moments
correct. sorry maybe i needed to clarify. a stripped out classic with >500hp is a real handful on the road. i just pootle about in mine because i know now first hand what it is like in the dry. in the wet (or even slightly moist) you just don't even bother putting the foot down. people with big power cars will know what i am talking about when i say that the urge "to go" and the out and out savegry of acceleration, the frightening speeds you can get to with relative ease, the way you need to adjust your driving style (especially coming out of corners). I, by my own admission cant drive for toffee but i have the utmost respect for my car now.

Now you take someone who has been driving a standard impreza, rs focus, evo or even worse a 150hp turbo D whatever and then put them behind the wheel of a 600hp car, trust me, they will soil themselves.
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04
I always joke that the faster your car becomes, the slower you tend to drive it, as you just can't flog it with impunity without risk of getting your collar felt. You also have to learn to exercise restraint because there is less room for driver error with the bigger power builds and they tend to be more lively and less forgiving of a clumsy oaf behind the wheel-no surprises there. That's one of the plus points of 2.5 build, it is torque and excellence spool characteristics make it fun and rapid even when you're only using, say 30% throttle.
that's what i was trying to say in the previous post
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Originally Posted by craigyp
I'm doing a bolt on build at mo on my 05 sti will be running a md321t etc etc i have a full 3" straight through system on it will this be fine????
i would say that depends on how you drive it and how strong your block is. i take it you'll be fitting other supporting mods such as injectors, fmic, etc.... i personally know of 2 people that have run 500bhp on them blocks using standard internals. But speaking from experience mine went bang at 420
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Originally Posted by toyney83
i would say that depends on how you drive it and how strong your block is. i take it you'll be fitting other supporting mods such as injectors, fmic, etc.... i personally know of 2 people that have run 500bhp on them blocks using standard internals. But speaking from experience mine went bang at 420
420!!!! Wow I thought they was good for 450 ish without internal work!!!
Yeah I have md321 t, 650 injectors, fmic, 290 fuel pump,silicone inlet hose,induction kit,Harvey smith trick up pipe, gt spec headers (wrapped)... So hopefully covered everything
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Originally Posted by craigyp
420!!!! Wow I thought they was good for 450 ish without internal work!!!
Yeah I have md321 t, 650 injectors, fmic, 290 fuel pump,silicone inlet hose,induction kit,Harvey smith trick up pipe, gt spec headers (wrapped)... So hopefully covered everything
With this kind of thing you always have to look at it this way:

If you can afford to fix it if it goes bang, go for it. If not, don't!

Plan for the worst, hope for the best. What you have to remember is that no one who says - "yeah, go for bigger power without forged parts" etc will chip in for the re-suild if the worst happens

One thing I've learned in the 8 years of Impreza ownership: you play, you pay! And short cuts usually lead to bigger bills!
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Originally Posted by Shaun
Feature not Future.
Now corrected...you missed the misspelt Banzai though
Old 15 January 2012, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bigsinky
. in the wet (or even slightly moist) you just don't even bother putting the foot down. people with big power cars will know what i am talking about when i say that the urge "to go" and the out and out savegry of acceleration, the frightening speeds you can get to with relative ease, the way you need to adjust your driving style (especially coming out of corners). I, by my own admission cant drive for toffee but i have the utmost respect for my car now.
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Had an eye-opening experience the other day (and i'm not at the same level of tune as Bigsinky). NSL road from a low speed roundabout, two lanes, no oncomming traffic etc thought I'd get past some slower traffic and stretch the car's legs a bit, foot down in third on what I thought was a dry road...... All four wheels started scrambling, the diff was tugging the wheel this way and that in my hands and I had to hold on for dear life. I guess the road must have been either a little damp or had some loose gravel and I must have missed it. You need to be so much more alert, observant and cautious at higher levels of tune, because the car becomes much less forgiving of clumsiness behind the wheel.

The above scenario was quite fun because apart from misreading the surface of the road, I'd picked my overtaking opportunity well such that there was never any danger of me coming into conflict with any other motorists or the scenery, but if if you drive these things with the abandon of a lower powered car, it's a matter of time before you come a cropper!
Old 15 January 2012, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by craigyp
420!!!! Wow I thought they was good for 450 ish without internal work!!!
Yeah I have md321 t, 650 injectors, fmic, 290 fuel pump,silicone inlet hose,induction kit,Harvey smith trick up pipe, gt spec headers (wrapped)... So hopefully covered everything
similair set up to me then, what ecu are you running as some mappers dont like to run more than 1.4b on an ecutek and i think the 321t makes 450 ish at 1.6b. i ran autronics on mine at 1.7b on the 321h
Old 15 January 2012, 03:40 PM
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Just out of curiosity, how much would it cost to get at 2.5l shortblock built in the UK? And how much more if you want it pinned and with 14mm head stud conversion? As I understand a 2.1l cdb stroker is about £3200-3500 and a 2.35l about £4500 or more?

I know how much you can get forged EJ257 blocks for from the US but then the shipping to Sweden, vat and customs makes it quite expensive.

Would a forged EJ257 be able to handle a SC46 twinscroll on E85?
Old 17 January 2012, 09:44 AM
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well just waiting to hear from lateral performance getting back to me with the spec and stuff for a 2.35 block then take it from there.

hopefully get the ball rolling soon on this.

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Old 17 January 2012, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by playtime
well just waiting to hear from lateral performance getting back to me with the spec and stuff for a 2.35 block then take it from there.

hopefully get the ball rolling soon on this.
If you need an EJ22T block, need4speeduk has a couple for sale
Old 17 January 2012, 10:13 AM
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cheers banny i,ll see what mark At lateral performance comes back with mate much appreciated

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Down at the stealers today looking at some impreza's i can't wait to get behind the wheel of one again
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