Subaru S206
06 January 2012, 03:13 PM
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Looks nice that.
What do they mean by this? 'Evo has driven the ultimate version of the retiring Subaru Impreza' are they bringing out another model or dropping the 'Impreza' name?
What do they mean by this? 'Evo has driven the ultimate version of the retiring Subaru Impreza' are they bringing out another model or dropping the 'Impreza' name?
06 January 2012, 11:35 PM
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what a car,a few weeks ago i was at nordschleife when test pilots from STI where testing this car,i must admit that i am u big porsche gt3 and lancer evo fan but fell in love with the s206,what a fantastic car!!! I chased them on the track with my 350 hp evo 10 with 888 toyos,intrax 1k2 ,stoptechs,.....and i had to push quite hard to keep up with them.The driver of the Sti was that very old japanese guy from best motoring...for his age this guy can really drive a car..
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i think it is driving style that it understeers...for example if you drive an evo ,and you are driving it smooth ,karting style then the car has lots of understeer but you need to drive it more agressive to create oversteer..i also think this is the case here..a good driver can solve this prob
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25 December 2012, 02:30 PM
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i think it is driving style that it understeers...for example if you drive an evo ,and you are driving it smooth ,karting style then the car has lots of understeer but you need to drive it more agressive to create oversteer..i also think this is the case here..a good driver can solve this prob
25 December 2012, 04:08 PM
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A lot of the JDM junkies go on about the Jap cars being a class above the UK models but having driven a lot of Scoobies I have to say I disagree, especially if you do what most of us do and tune anyway. Things like the Cossie are as well sorted as any of them before tuning starts unlike some of the Japanese models which are little more than trim upgrades to existing models.
The other big problem I reckon was not the price tag but the cost to actually put it on your driveway. The finance packages offered on the Cosworth were awful. I think that's generally part of Subaru's problem here in the UK. They cannot compete with what other manufacturers can offer because they're too small time and dealing with horrendous exchange rates.
There are no S206s in the UK and so far as I'm aware one in Europe, in Italy. The fact is that not many people have the funds here to go and blow £50-60k on a car when they can walk into a BMW or Audi garage and get a mega horsepower car on a brilliant finance deal.
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Not quite sure I agree with you there matey. The target audience for the S206 in Japan is a lot bigger than the target audience for any car here in the UK. Remember that abroad the Cossie did not get much coverage while the S206 featured in every mainstream magazine worldwide. I doubt Litcho sold anywhere near 75 Type 25s - a mental spec and superb value for money supercar that was available for less than the P1 was sold for five years previously. Oh and it absolutely smashed other performance cars in group tests and was highly rated by the motoring press.
A lot of the JDM junkies go on about the Jap cars being a class above the UK models but having driven a lot of Scoobies I have to say I disagree, especially if you do what most of us do and tune anyway. Things like the Cossie are as well sorted as any of them before tuning starts unlike some of the Japanese models which are little more than trim upgrades to existing models.
The other big problem I reckon was not the price tag but the cost to actually put it on your driveway. The finance packages offered on the Cosworth were awful. I think that's generally part of Subaru's problem here in the UK. They cannot compete with what other manufacturers can offer because they're too small time and dealing with horrendous exchange rates.
There are no S206s in the UK and so far as I'm aware one in Europe, in Italy. The fact is that not many people have the funds here to go and blow £50-60k on a car when they can walk into a BMW or Audi garage and get a mega horsepower car on a brilliant finance deal.
A lot of the JDM junkies go on about the Jap cars being a class above the UK models but having driven a lot of Scoobies I have to say I disagree, especially if you do what most of us do and tune anyway. Things like the Cossie are as well sorted as any of them before tuning starts unlike some of the Japanese models which are little more than trim upgrades to existing models.
The other big problem I reckon was not the price tag but the cost to actually put it on your driveway. The finance packages offered on the Cosworth were awful. I think that's generally part of Subaru's problem here in the UK. They cannot compete with what other manufacturers can offer because they're too small time and dealing with horrendous exchange rates.
There are no S206s in the UK and so far as I'm aware one in Europe, in Italy. The fact is that not many people have the funds here to go and blow £50-60k on a car when they can walk into a BMW or Audi garage and get a mega horsepower car on a brilliant finance deal.
JDM cars are better (out of the box) fact
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this is no 'built not bought car' made by my uncles, mates, dad, its a 2.0 STi car (with lots of £ spent on R&D by Sti themselves)
Having owned a S201 (best classic out of the box, imho) trust me
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26 December 2012, 12:39 AM
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B4D HK I don't dispute the S201 is a great car because having driven one I thought it was fab I'm playing devil's advocate here because I see your point in some ways but disagree with it on others based on my opinion.
My opinion was that my 997 Carrera S Porsche 911 was often quite a mediocre car. Many would vehemently disagree with me
I'm not a fan of twin scrolls particularly and I feel that people go nuts about JDM cars because you can safely remap them to more power over a 2.5 that needs forged parts. Yeah it revs higher but so what? Does it make that much difference on the road anyway? Same peak power output. It is always possible to compare a boggo 2.5 STi to a rare special edition that would pan it out of the box let alone with a remap and a lot of people do that.
I've driven so many JDM & UK cars and special editions over the years few stand out in my memory. My favourite three to date have been the 22B, the DCCD Blobeye and my current car. All very different!
Some JDM cars are superior to the UK models but it's hard to argue that something like the S201 is light years ahead of a fully loaded P1 out of the box. Same engines, same outputs, updated bits and highly desirable. Same price too. If you pushed me I'd probably plump for the S201 on the rarity stakes if I could get over that front bumper. But I'd immediately get to work on either getting some proper stoppers on and then some... to the point where I'd say there was little reason choosing either over the other.
As far as I can figure out, the difference between the boggo JDM hatch and UK hatch is the engine and gear ratios. They're assembled on the same line though the Japanese have more options - which can be sourced to the UK. You can even order a 2.5 engine in Japan if you want an identical car to UK spec
It is impossible to compare the spartan Spec C to anything we have here but it is very easy to compare something like a 330s or 340r to the A-line. But I would point out that the Spec C was available as a "UK car" via Prodrive... I nearly bought one but couldn't have lived with the interior and horrendously short gearing.
I haven't driven the S206 which I think looks the nuts but I can vouch for the R205, I've driven one here in the UK and over in Japan. Great car but I don't think it's better than our Cosworth out of the box. Both cost around £50k, both have forged engines, uprated suspension, brake upgrades and upgraded interiors. But truth be told I don't think the R205 would see which way it went with the power difference. Parts can be exchanged either way to improve and thankfully are usually straight swap or bolt on (we benefit from STi's R&D also).
In short the Japanese have some awesome cars and I am a bit narked we haven't had them here. But it doesn't mean that our cars are crap as some have tried to have us believe and it is always possible to get those parts in and added to your UK car.
It's why I have some 20th Anniversary, R205 and S206 parts on their way :-D
I'm playing devil's advocate here because I see your point in some ways but disagree with it on others based on my opinion.My opinion was that my 997 Carrera S Porsche 911 was often quite a mediocre car. Many would vehemently disagree with me
I'm not a fan of twin scrolls particularly and I feel that people go nuts about JDM cars because you can safely remap them to more power over a 2.5 that needs forged parts. Yeah it revs higher but so what? Does it make that much difference on the road anyway? Same peak power output. It is always possible to compare a boggo 2.5 STi to a rare special edition that would pan it out of the box let alone with a remap and a lot of people do that.
I've driven so many JDM & UK cars and special editions over the years few stand out in my memory. My favourite three to date have been the 22B, the DCCD Blobeye and my current car. All very different!
Some JDM cars are superior to the UK models but it's hard to argue that something like the S201 is light years ahead of a fully loaded P1 out of the box. Same engines, same outputs, updated bits and highly desirable. Same price too. If you pushed me I'd probably plump for the S201 on the rarity stakes if I could get over that front bumper. But I'd immediately get to work on either getting some proper stoppers on and then some... to the point where I'd say there was little reason choosing either over the other.
As far as I can figure out, the difference between the boggo JDM hatch and UK hatch is the engine and gear ratios. They're assembled on the same line though the Japanese have more options - which can be sourced to the UK. You can even order a 2.5 engine in Japan if you want an identical car to UK spec
It is impossible to compare the spartan Spec C to anything we have here but it is very easy to compare something like a 330s or 340r to the A-line. But I would point out that the Spec C was available as a "UK car" via Prodrive... I nearly bought one but couldn't have lived with the interior and horrendously short gearing.I haven't driven the S206 which I think looks the nuts but I can vouch for the R205, I've driven one here in the UK and over in Japan. Great car but I don't think it's better than our Cosworth out of the box. Both cost around £50k, both have forged engines, uprated suspension, brake upgrades and upgraded interiors. But truth be told I don't think the R205 would see which way it went with the power difference. Parts can be exchanged either way to improve and thankfully are usually straight swap or bolt on (we benefit from STi's R&D also).
In short the Japanese have some awesome cars and I am a bit narked we haven't had them here. But it doesn't mean that our cars are crap as some have tried to have us believe and it is always possible to get those parts in and added to your UK car.
It's why I have some 20th Anniversary, R205 and S206 parts on their way :-D
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Basically you are annoyed that the superior JDM cars did not come to the UK 
S201 vs P1 sorry bud no contest, S201 is quicker, handles better and is rarer
Shall we start a new thread lol
S201 vs P1 sorry bud no contest, S201 is quicker, handles better and is rarer
Shall we start a new thread lol
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26 December 2012, 10:49 AM
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Arent we all? Take the S-GT for example. We get the chocolate pistoned 2.5 with higher tax bracket and weaker internals, great. If they brought the SGT here I would have bought that instead of the Mercedes in a flash.
26 December 2012, 04:16 PM
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B4D HK I don't dispute the S201 is a great car because having driven one I thought it was fab I'm playing devil's advocate here because I see your point in some ways but disagree with it on others based on my opinion.
My opinion was that my 997 Carrera S Porsche 911 was often quite a mediocre car. Many would vehemently disagree with me
I'm not a fan of twin scrolls particularly and I feel that people go nuts about JDM cars because you can safely remap them to more power over a 2.5 that needs forged parts. Yeah it revs higher but so what? Does it make that much difference on the road anyway? Same peak power output. It is always possible to compare a boggo 2.5 STi to a rare special edition that would pan it out of the box let alone with a remap and a lot of people do that.
I've driven so many JDM & UK cars and special editions over the years few stand out in my memory. My favourite three to date have been the 22B, the DCCD Blobeye and my current car. All very different!
Some JDM cars are superior to the UK models but it's hard to argue that something like the S201 is light years ahead of a fully loaded P1 out of the box. Same engines, same outputs, updated bits and highly desirable. Same price too. If you pushed me I'd probably plump for the S201 on the rarity stakes if I could get over that front bumper. But I'd immediately get to work on either getting some proper stoppers on and then some... to the point where I'd say there was little reason choosing either over the other.
As far as I can figure out, the difference between the boggo JDM hatch and UK hatch is the engine and gear ratios. They're assembled on the same line though the Japanese have more options - which can be sourced to the UK. You can even order a 2.5 engine in Japan if you want an identical car to UK spec It is impossible to compare the spartan Spec C to anything we have here but it is very easy to compare something like a 330s or 340r to the A-line. But I would point out that the Spec C was available as a "UK car" via Prodrive... I nearly bought one but couldn't have lived with the interior and horrendously short gearing.
I haven't driven the S206 which I think looks the nuts but I can vouch for the R205, I've driven one here in the UK and over in Japan. Great car but I don't think it's better than our Cosworth out of the box. Both cost around £50k, both have forged engines, uprated suspension, brake upgrades and upgraded interiors. But truth be told I don't think the R205 would see which way it went with the power difference. Parts can be exchanged either way to improve and thankfully are usually straight swap or bolt on (we benefit from STi's R&D also).
In short the Japanese have some awesome cars and I am a bit narked we haven't had them here. But it doesn't mean that our cars are crap as some have tried to have us believe and it is always possible to get those parts in and added to your UK car.
It's why I have some 20th Anniversary, R205 and S206 parts on their way :-D
I'm playing devil's advocate here because I see your point in some ways but disagree with it on others based on my opinion.My opinion was that my 997 Carrera S Porsche 911 was often quite a mediocre car. Many would vehemently disagree with me
I'm not a fan of twin scrolls particularly and I feel that people go nuts about JDM cars because you can safely remap them to more power over a 2.5 that needs forged parts. Yeah it revs higher but so what? Does it make that much difference on the road anyway? Same peak power output. It is always possible to compare a boggo 2.5 STi to a rare special edition that would pan it out of the box let alone with a remap and a lot of people do that.
I've driven so many JDM & UK cars and special editions over the years few stand out in my memory. My favourite three to date have been the 22B, the DCCD Blobeye and my current car. All very different!
Some JDM cars are superior to the UK models but it's hard to argue that something like the S201 is light years ahead of a fully loaded P1 out of the box. Same engines, same outputs, updated bits and highly desirable. Same price too. If you pushed me I'd probably plump for the S201 on the rarity stakes if I could get over that front bumper. But I'd immediately get to work on either getting some proper stoppers on and then some... to the point where I'd say there was little reason choosing either over the other.
As far as I can figure out, the difference between the boggo JDM hatch and UK hatch is the engine and gear ratios. They're assembled on the same line though the Japanese have more options - which can be sourced to the UK. You can even order a 2.5 engine in Japan if you want an identical car to UK spec
It is impossible to compare the spartan Spec C to anything we have here but it is very easy to compare something like a 330s or 340r to the A-line. But I would point out that the Spec C was available as a "UK car" via Prodrive... I nearly bought one but couldn't have lived with the interior and horrendously short gearing.I haven't driven the S206 which I think looks the nuts but I can vouch for the R205, I've driven one here in the UK and over in Japan. Great car but I don't think it's better than our Cosworth out of the box. Both cost around £50k, both have forged engines, uprated suspension, brake upgrades and upgraded interiors. But truth be told I don't think the R205 would see which way it went with the power difference. Parts can be exchanged either way to improve and thankfully are usually straight swap or bolt on (we benefit from STi's R&D also).
In short the Japanese have some awesome cars and I am a bit narked we haven't had them here. But it doesn't mean that our cars are crap as some have tried to have us believe and it is always possible to get those parts in and added to your UK car.
It's why I have some 20th Anniversary, R205 and S206 parts on their way :-D
The spec c's Prodrive bought in were never classed as UK cars, they went through all the same procedures as an import would and are not recognised by IM as UK cars. If you doubt that then i'll pm you a vin number for one ring them up and see what they say.
As for the Cossie being better than the R205 our the box......is utter nonsense might have more straight-line speed with 400bhp, but certainly doesn't handle better. The cossie cost 50k out the box and my R205 40K so theres a 10k difference.
You've driven an R205 in the UK as far as am aware mine is the only one here?
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27 December 2012, 04:33 PM
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I really miss the awesome 2.0ltr engine and the Quick rack. But as said due to exchange rates and import duties a 2013 saloon would be over £10k more expensive that a similar UK scoob
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28 December 2012, 10:39 AM
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Subaru didn't dictate the price the exchange rate did, had it been the exchange rate of 2007 the S206 would cost 30k brand new are you telling me thats not value for money? Wish I had bought millions and millions of yen at the time!