Struggling on £40,000 a year?
06 December 2011, 04:53 PM
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I agree that the ability to deal with all kinds of different people is important for success in life, thats why I will be happy for my son to go to a comprehensive. I would like to give my daughter a chance of being refined and having good taste and being around chavvy Jordan worshipers decended from benefit scroungers is not the way to achieve that.
brilliant - if only more people felt like that!What the hell is it with this obsession to paint themselves orange - looks bloody AWFUL!
Edd - true, mixing with people of all walks of life is good, but from a different perspective, if the school is only full of little hooligans with benefit cheats for parents then that's not really a fair representation of society either.
However, we digress off topic completely.
The £40k a year argument - evidently you CAN live off less - today's Metro cited a woman with a decidedly foreign sounding name who'd claimed £19k in benefits for a "bad back" who was then subsequently photographed on a water slide.
Makes my p*ss boil reading about dead beat people like that, especially if they've come over here and then leached off the system - it's almost worse.
Often find myself wondering - how many are there for every one we hear about?
06 December 2011, 04:56 PM
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06 December 2011, 05:20 PM
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Yes, the people at home like this are still scum and I despise them if they don't work out of choice, but to allow more people to arrive from abroad and abuse aforementioned system further is insanity, and I don't need or want people like that in the country where I was born (personally I'd happily take a sniper job to take out benefit cheats - imagine the job satisfaction
)We can't take in everyone from everywhere and feed them and their children too?
The buck has to stop somewhere and I'm in the 1 strike and you're out camp.
If you're offered a job, you have to take it AND retain it for a set period, or else your benefits check will stop.
I wonder how many would shirk working if that were to happen.
The rioters who would no doubt come out of the woodwork again claiming they're "taking back" the taxes they never paid in the first place
**** - you've got me ranting now!
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06 December 2011, 07:23 PM
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That could come round to bite you. Mixing with all sorts of people provides children with the skills to deal with people in the adult world.
From experience girls from an all girls school tend to be far more wild than in mixed schools.
My daughter is in mixed and the school catchment area does take in the local council estate. At first you'd think it would a big mistake letting them go there but because the catchment area isn't great they put more adept teachers in there. The head is considered one of the best in the county and is often posted to other primaries that are currently struggling.
From seeing kids go through both systems and getting to the stage of employment, just as many private school kids seem as unemployable as public school kids. Plus most of the private kids have an alarming amount of emotional baggage.
It definately gives the kids a better chance but doesn't guarantee success.
From experience girls from an all girls school tend to be far more wild than in mixed schools.
My daughter is in mixed and the school catchment area does take in the local council estate. At first you'd think it would a big mistake letting them go there but because the catchment area isn't great they put more adept teachers in there. The head is considered one of the best in the county and is often posted to other primaries that are currently struggling.
From seeing kids go through both systems and getting to the stage of employment, just as many private school kids seem as unemployable as public school kids. Plus most of the private kids have an alarming amount of emotional baggage.
It definately gives the kids a better chance but doesn't guarantee success.
Sorry mate that's a nonsense statement. Of course going to a fee paying school guarantees nothing, plenty will not come to much, but that still doesn't justify your statement.
Look at all the professionals you meet, docs, lawyers, solicitors, architects, dentists, airline pilots etc etc. At least 50% will have gone to a fee paying school yet only about 8% of the population goes to a fee paying school. Do the math.....
And the mixing with all sorts of different kinds of people statement is a bit lame as well. Fee paying schools have kids from all kinds of backgrounds, they are not all rich or elite. Plenty of the kids at my son's school have parents who would be classed as 'working class' (for want of a better word)
Who they won't mix with are the children of unemployed, state benefit addicted chav scumbags with seven children by unknown fathers.
There is no need for my children to have to share a school with people like that, there is no positive side to it
06 December 2011, 07:37 PM
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Sorry mate that's a nonsense statement. Of course going to a fee paying school guarantees nothing, plenty will not come to much, but that still doesn't justify your statement.
Look at all the professionals you meet, docs, lawyers, solicitors, architects, dentists, airline pilots etc etc. At least 50% will have gone to a fee paying school yet only about 8% of the population goes to a fee paying school. Do the math.....
And the mixing with all sorts of different kinds of people statement is a bit lame as well. Fee paying schools have kids from all kinds of backgrounds, they are not all rich or elite. Plenty of the kids at my son's school have parents who would be classed as 'working class' (for want of a better word)
Who they won't mix with are the children of unemployed, state benefit addicted chav scumbags with seven children by unknown fathers.
There is no need for my children to have to share a school with people like that, there is no positive side to it
Look at all the professionals you meet, docs, lawyers, solicitors, architects, dentists, airline pilots etc etc. At least 50% will have gone to a fee paying school yet only about 8% of the population goes to a fee paying school. Do the math.....
And the mixing with all sorts of different kinds of people statement is a bit lame as well. Fee paying schools have kids from all kinds of backgrounds, they are not all rich or elite. Plenty of the kids at my son's school have parents who would be classed as 'working class' (for want of a better word)
Who they won't mix with are the children of unemployed, state benefit addicted chav scumbags with seven children by unknown fathers.
There is no need for my children to have to share a school with people like that, there is no positive side to it
Say one of your boys becomes a doctor. What would happen if say a patient was of the ilk underlined above? If they've never had dealings or mixed with these sorts then how would they react to a situation - any situation not necessarily violent. Do you get my question as it isn't worded brilliantly.
06 December 2011, 07:55 PM
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The private schools I know former pupils from place developing things like confidence and 'people skills' at the top of their agenda. They can speak to anyone with confidence and are down-to-earth too.
06 December 2011, 08:16 PM
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Coming to think of it, I don't know one person my age who is privately educated and could be classed as having social skills, infact I'd go as far to say they act socially retarded when pulled away from their privately educated safety blanket.
06 December 2011, 08:18 PM
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My conclusion is from past experience.
Most of the children and young adults I know who have been through or are in the private education system have social issues. I would also say that they have or currently have quite eccentric upbringings which is a factor in there problems but it seems more than coincidence that they are all in the private system.
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06 December 2011, 08:22 PM
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06 December 2011, 08:24 PM
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I know I shouldn't tar everyone with the same brush but I actually burst out laughing whilst reading this as I thought of my privately educated associate. He's a grade-A **** to anyone who isn't middle class or above. Upperclass upbringing on a working class wage who still thinks he's at the top with everyone else below him.
Coming to think of it, I don't know one person my age who is privately educated and could be classed as having social skills, infact I'd go as far to say they act socially retarded when pulled away from their privately educated safety blanket.
Coming to think of it, I don't know one person my age who is privately educated and could be classed as having social skills, infact I'd go as far to say they act socially retarded when pulled away from their privately educated safety blanket.
Seriously, all of them I know are outgoing and a breath of fresh air to speak to. Not like "yah" posh... the schools educate them to adapt best with the real world.
No doubt there are some 'ivory tower' style schools still about though.
Oh, and some of the girls are quite special.
(the ones my age, not the ones still at school)
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06 December 2011, 08:38 PM
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My point was around said people skills. But my question and concern would be around role play and organised situations and not real life experiences. Do you get where I'm coming from? Whether by accident or by your hand of cards, a real life experience can't be copied by a peoples skills class at school. Apologies if that comes across as abrupt, that's not my intention to yourself or Deep
I was brought up with everyone being nice and then found myself on building sites with people calling me a useless c*nt for about 8 hours a day. I managed to survive!?
06 December 2011, 08:53 PM
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My reasoning would be (and possibly the same goes for said in-laws) that the fee's for private School would return more than the hypothetical £50-60k in increased success/wages in future years as a result of better education?
Or am I wide of the mark here Mark?
You are called mark aren't you?
Or am I wide of the mark here Mark?
You are called mark aren't you?
Of course, pay nine grand a year, you dont get nine grands worth off better as the state school still costs something, I thought out local sixth form looked every bit as good, probably better equipped than their current school.
My wife and her brothers all went private, they are all well spoken and well mannered but they arent massively high achievers but not particularly light years ahead of myself career wise.
I nothing else, being well spoken is an advantage as nobody wants someone for a higher end job that has a strong accent, bad diction that doesn't sound credible, I am sure anyone can make it regardless but bosses dont want anyone that sounds like a ****** in high end jobs, it makes it that much harder to progress, so maybe its just sounding the part as much as anything else.
06 December 2011, 09:40 PM
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I see your points Deep, but may I ask a hypothetical question?
Say one of your boys becomes a doctor. What would happen if say a patient was of the ilk underlined above? If they've never had dealings or mixed with these sorts then how would they react to a situation - any situation not necessarily violent. Do you get my question as it isn't worded brilliantly.
Say one of your boys becomes a doctor. What would happen if say a patient was of the ilk underlined above? If they've never had dealings or mixed with these sorts then how would they react to a situation - any situation not necessarily violent. Do you get my question as it isn't worded brilliantly.
COB, if we are talking about dealing with normal working class people then that is no problem. As I said plenty of working class parents at this school (builders, plumbers etc). In the same way I might be a doc but some of my sons uncles work in Fords, on building sites etc
So they are exposed to a wide variety of people from a variety of backgrounds, these are just bog standard private schools we are talking about not Eton!
If you are talking about how to deal with the the non working class this is no big issue either. You learn as you grow up, you don't live in a bubble. You'll get on a bus with them, queue up in the cinema with them etc.
Particularly as a doc you'll be exposed to the drunks, drug addicts, child beaters etc etc. You learn how do deal with them compassionately, its part of the job. Most of us also started doing voluntary work aged about fourteen in homes, hospices, detox centres etc.
So its not as though you never encounter these people, you pay so that your children don't have to spend ten hours a day five days a week trying to learn with them. Sorry if that sounds harsh
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06 December 2011, 09:47 PM
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My conclusion is from past experience.
Most of the children and young adults I know who have been through or are in the private education system have social issues. I would also say that they have or currently have quite eccentric upbringings which is a factor in there problems but it seems more than coincidence that they are all in the private system.
Most of the children and young adults I know who have been through or are in the private education system have social issues. I would also say that they have or currently have quite eccentric upbringings which is a factor in there problems but it seems more than coincidence that they are all in the private system.
Either you only know odd people or you have a chip on your shoulder.
How can you possibly say most children who have had a private education have social issues, emotional baggage, eccentric upbringings?? Most? Are you being serious?
Some of them might, they won't be immune to the effects of their parents having affairs, getting divorced etc etc. But to suggest that most do, or its more likely if you went to a private school is just frankly ludicrous
06 December 2011, 10:30 PM
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My conclusion is from past experience.
Most of the children and young adults I know who have been through or are in the private education system have social issues. I would also say that they have or currently have quite eccentric upbringings which is a factor in there problems but it seems more than coincidence that they are all in the private system.
Most of the children and young adults I know who have been through or are in the private education system have social issues. I would also say that they have or currently have quite eccentric upbringings which is a factor in there problems but it seems more than coincidence that they are all in the private system.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
07 December 2011, 06:52 AM
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Yes, my eldest now wears a Monocle and just speaks Latin all the time to his imaginary technicolor Poodle, the middle one just sits and rocks back and forth whilst listening to his collection of Abstract Japanese Koto music, The youngest just sits there waiting for his next "Happy Happy" (Methadone) watching Brideshead Revisted on Betamax.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
Ok, this for me is the funniest post of 2011
07 December 2011, 09:25 AM
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The children I have met that have the worst social issues have had private education. I didn't say most children in private school. I said most children I have met. Please, if your going to attemp a condescending post at least have the decency to read the post properly.
07 December 2011, 09:40 AM
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Does your arrogance make it hard to read?
The children I have met that have the worst social issues have had private education. I didn't say most children in private school. I said most children I have met. Please, if your going to attemp a condescending post at least have the decency to read the post properly.
The children I have met that have the worst social issues have had private education. I didn't say most children in private school. I said most children I have met. Please, if your going to attemp a condescending post at least have the decency to read the post properly.
No, perhaps your poor comprehensive education has made it difficult for you to get a point across
Sorry Edd, but I just don't understand what you are actually trying to articulate. You've said in your posts that children who have been privately educated are just as unemployable as others, and the children you've met with the worst social issues have had a private education.
This you say is all from your personal experience. So tell me, what conclusions do you draw from this?
07 December 2011, 10:30 AM
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No, perhaps your poor comprehensive education has made it difficult for you to get a point across
Sorry Edd, but I just don't understand what you are actually trying to articulate. You've said in your posts that children who have been privately educated are just as unemployable as others, and the children you've met with the worst social issues have had a private education.
This you say is all from your personal experience. So tell me, what conclusions do you draw from this?
Sorry Edd, but I just don't understand what you are actually trying to articulate. You've said in your posts that children who have been privately educated are just as unemployable as others, and the children you've met with the worst social issues have had a private education.
This you say is all from your personal experience. So tell me, what conclusions do you draw from this?
I've got nothing against private education, I sometimes wish I'd never had to come out. It would be nice to have the choice for mine. I'm not too concerned because shes bright enough and the school is very good (IMO) But in some cases, some case, it seems to generate just as many issues than it solves.
I didn't say most privately educated children have issues, I said most (actually pretty much all of them) that I, me, personally have met have some sort of social issues. I know 10 children and young adults that have had private education or in the case of 2 of them alternative education (Steiner) and all of them have or are developing issues. Not obvious outside signs but just little things. They almost all display a complete lack of common sense and its like they've had a closed upbringing which means that when the real world hits it's going to hit hard.
However, as you said before, it could be that I just know odd people. Admittedly, they are all a bit odd.
07 December 2011, 11:07 AM
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Yes, my eldest now wears a Monocle and just speaks Latin all the time to his imaginary technicolor Poodle, the middle one just sits and rocks back and forth whilst listening to his collection of Abstract Japanese Koto music, The youngest just sits there waiting for his next "Happy Happy" (Methadone) watching Brideshead Revisted on Betamax.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
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Yes, my eldest now wears a Monocle and just speaks Latin all the time to his imaginary technicolor Poodle, the middle one just sits and rocks back and forth whilst listening to his collection of Abstract Japanese Koto music, The youngest just sits there waiting for his next "Happy Happy" (Methadone) watching Brideshead Revisted on Betamax.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
08 December 2011, 03:27 PM
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I'd like to think that my early privately educated life gave me a fairly decent grasp of the english language?
I've got nothing against private education, I sometimes wish I'd never had to come out. It would be nice to have the choice for mine. I'm not too concerned because shes bright enough and the school is very good (IMO) But in some cases, some case, it seems to generate just as many issues than it solves.
I didn't say most privately educated children have issues, I said most (actually pretty much all of them) that I, me, personally have met have some sort of social issues. I know 10 children and young adults that have had private education or in the case of 2 of them alternative education (Steiner) and all of them have or are developing issues. Not obvious outside signs but just little things. They almost all display a complete lack of common sense and its like they've had a closed upbringing which means that when the real world hits it's going to hit hard.
However, as you said before, it could be that I just know odd people. Admittedly, they are all a bit odd.
I've got nothing against private education, I sometimes wish I'd never had to come out. It would be nice to have the choice for mine. I'm not too concerned because shes bright enough and the school is very good (IMO) But in some cases, some case, it seems to generate just as many issues than it solves.
I didn't say most privately educated children have issues, I said most (actually pretty much all of them) that I, me, personally have met have some sort of social issues. I know 10 children and young adults that have had private education or in the case of 2 of them alternative education (Steiner) and all of them have or are developing issues. Not obvious outside signs but just little things. They almost all display a complete lack of common sense and its like they've had a closed upbringing which means that when the real world hits it's going to hit hard.
However, as you said before, it could be that I just know odd people. Admittedly, they are all a bit odd.
Now that I've finished rolling around on the floor laughing at J4CKO's post (
) - Edd - I have to say that comment was never really going to do you any favours mate!I was privately educated, didn't like it all that much, but looking back at it can see some of the benefits it brought. However, I've never been called "socially odd"
, (although perhaps that was because I stopped wearing my monacle from an early age?)I have been called much worse mind
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Most of the children and young adults I know who have been through or are in the private education system have social issues. I would also say that they have or currently have quite eccentric upbringings which is a factor in there problems but it seems more than coincidence that they are all in the private system.
Does that mean I have social issues?
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Yes, my eldest now wears a Monocle and just speaks Latin all the time to his imaginary technicolor Poodle, the middle one just sits and rocks back and forth whilst listening to his collection of Abstract Japanese Koto music, The youngest just sits there waiting for his next "Happy Happy" (Methadone) watching Brideshead Revisted on Betamax.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.
We try to take their minds of their respective fixations by going for stroll around the estate, you know, normal family stuff, I say stroll, we go in formation of our Segways whilst i recite poems by Gyles Brandreth, we then stop for a picnic, I say picnic, they are all still all breast fed. We take the Dog sometimes, she isn't so much fun since we had her put to sleep though, then its all back home before we meet any "Ugly Wuglies", you know normal people, we have told them to just stand and look at there feet, not to ********** and just recite their name rank and number if approached by a member of the working class and ask to be taken back to school.