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Old 14 September 2011, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Pathetic .....

So, if the Public Sector should feel the pain of the Private Sector - then, it should have seen all the benefits of the past in the Private Sector?!

Like BUPA, Company Cars, Bonus Payments, etc. etc. etc.?

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I work in the private sector and have never had any of those. My company pension as just been closed, ended, finished. Now i have to sort my own. One lad however, will be ok. He is a part time fireman and the £100 a month he puts in is matched by the fire brigade..............and he is only part time.

The public sector needs to enter the real world, otherwise it will bankrupt us all.
Old 14 September 2011, 08:59 PM
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How much time does he spend being a fireman ?? I put about £7k a year into my pension..

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Old 14 September 2011, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Well, in that case, we should roll out Bonus payments to the Public Sector then - yes?

You're saying they need to feel the pain, they should feel the benefits too!!!

That's a great idea Pete.

Bonuses on productivity and bonuses on delivery, bonuses on results. I think this should be extended even further so that the bonus should make the bulk of the wage thus encouraging an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. The workshy element of the public sector would soon be whipped into line.
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Payment by results already exists in the NHS.............

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Managingyour...orms/index.htm

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Old 14 September 2011, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
How much time does he spend being a fireman ?? I put about £7k a year into my pension..

Shaun
He is one of those that gets called out. I know of a few private sector pensions where the employer adds nothing. All you get is tax relief.

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I pay 7.5% into my Pension pot ..... my employer pays in 22.5% to take it to 30% which is nice of them - but, and this is the crux of the matter, the fund is still in trouble!!

Why is it in trouble? Well, because the greedy Bankers take £MILLIONS each year to 'manage' it (BADLY!!!)

And that's why we are in **** .... greedy Financial Sector!!!
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FPMSL Pete, only saw that on the livefeed feed

TX.
Old 14 September 2011, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I pay 7.5% into my Pension pot ..... my employer pays in 22.5% to take it to 30% which is nice of them - but, and this is the crux of the matter, the fund is still in trouble!!

Why is it in trouble? Well, because the greedy Bankers take £MILLIONS each year to 'manage' it (BADLY!!!)

And that's why we are in **** .... greedy Financial Sector!!!
Pete just stop bringing the Bankers into this FFS you 24 caret BURK!!

This is about the taxpayer getting fair value for money!

This is about why the average private sector taxpayer has to subsidence the early retirement of pubic sector workers such as teachers.

WTF should I work till 70 so teachers can retire at 55. It is a scandal! Let them strike...we'll sack the lots and they will crawl on their knees. Tw@ts!
Old 15 September 2011, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Pathetic .....

So, if the Public Sector should feel the pain of the Private Sector - then, it should have seen all the benefits of the past in the Private Sector?!

Like BUPA, Company Cars, Bonus Payments, etc. etc. etc.?

You sound like a Banker!! You want to have Private profits but Public losses!! And that opinion stinks ..... the Banks keep all their profits and reward risk taking, while when it goes **** up THEN it's US the Public who have to bail them out!!!

Sorry ... the Private Sector drove us into this mess - greed, greed, greed and more greed!!

Bankers should swing from the gibbett ...
Yes I agree with that comment completely.

If of course your hero's had had the guts to control the actions of the banks and also had not pissed our tax money against the wall then we would be on much better shape of course.

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Old 15 September 2011, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I pay 7.5% into my Pension pot ..... my employer pays in 22.5% to take it to 30% which is nice of them - but, and this is the crux of the matter, the fund is still in trouble!!

Why is it in trouble? Well, because the greedy Bankers take £MILLIONS each year to 'manage' it (BADLY!!!)

And that's why we are in **** .... greedy Financial Sector!!!
Is that the same financial sector that was deregulated by Gordon Brown.
Old 15 September 2011, 09:53 AM
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Over 1 million extra public sector jobs were created during Blairs reign. Doing what FFS.

And where do you expect the money to come from to pay for them.

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Old 15 September 2011, 10:39 AM
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Private employees earning £25k pay about £5.5k in tax and NI with 3.2% of this going to public sector pensions.
This average salary employee at the same time is contributing only 0.7% of their own pay to their own pension pot.

That's fair then....
Old 15 September 2011, 05:26 PM
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......... I think my contribution is 8.4% of my salary, not sure where you get the 0.7% from ?

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Old 15 September 2011, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
......... I think my contribution is 8.4% of my salary, not sure where you get the 0.7% from ?

Shaun

I read this in the paper this morning in a cafe - I was quoting from memory but here you go (I know, the Daily Fail...)


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...11_634x355.jpg
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...tion-November-
Old 16 September 2011, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chip
Is that the same financial sector that was deregulated by Gordon Brown.
Errrrrrm, NO, it started with Maggie Thatcher ........... it can all be traced right back to the greed in the City under Maggie Thatcher.
Old 16 September 2011, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Errrrrrm, NO, it started with Maggie Thatcher ........... it can all be traced right back to the greed in the City under Maggie Thatcher.
Pete, have you been off work? Sorry, I'll rephrase that - "Pete, have you been off Scoobynet?".



PS. "There's no such thing as society". Apparently!
Old 17 September 2011, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by zip106
Private employees earning £25k pay about £5.5k in tax and NI with 3.2% of this going to public sector pensions.
This average salary employee at the same time is contributing only 0.7% of their own pay to their own pension pot.

That's fair then....
It might surprise you to know that public sector employees also pay tax and NI, so they are contributing 3.2% as well, in addition to their individual contributions. Which, incidentally, are a lot higher than 0.7% in most cases.
Old 18 September 2011, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by andythejock01wrx
Pete, have you been off work? Sorry, I'll rephrase that - "Pete, have you been off Scoobynet?".
I've been in Hospital as it happens and not working currently due to some complications.

So? Winter of strikes?

This isn't like the 70's .... most people are very well off after the Labour years, they may not like the cuts the Tories/LibDems are suggesting ..... but, it is how it is.
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Pete,

Nothing too serious I hope?

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Old 18 September 2011, 09:51 PM
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I was rushed into Hospital ..... nearly met my maker according to the surgeons!!

I didn't think anything was wrong when I was at home - just wanted to sleep - Doctor came out and sent me straight in!

Repairing now, thanks
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Take it easy old boy and get well soon

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Old 18 September 2011, 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
I was rushed into Hospital ..... nearly met my maker according to the surgeons!!

I didn't think anything was wrong when I was at home - just wanted to sleep - Doctor came out and sent me straight in!

Repairing now, thanks
Get well soon Pete.

Andy
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Thanks, I do appreciate the wishes
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Sorry to hear about the health problem Pete. Hope it all repairs fully as you say it is doing.

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Was it heart problems?

I bet the surgeons struggled to find it....




All the best, anyway.
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Originally Posted by zip106
Was it heart problems?

I bet the surgeons struggled to find it....




All the best, anyway.
That or a dose of madeupitus
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Originally Posted by pslewis
It's the binmen and school assistants who I feel sorry for ... the GrimeBusters and street cleaners, they have been **** on with bad wages, now they have to work longer too!!
Perhaps they should have worked harder while at school
Old 19 September 2011, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by zip106
Was it heart problems?

I bet the surgeons struggled to find it....




All the best, anyway.
Old 19 September 2011, 02:59 PM
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Nothing too trivial i hope..
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It's at times like this when you find out who your friends are ... and who are just nasty


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