Adobe Flash
#61
Scooby Regular
No arguing with your logic there, well, no understanding your logic either.
This thread is (was) about Flash. You think it is s****, not really done much with it, steer clients away from it but obviously know everything there is to know about Flash. But you continue to insist that client-side HTML5 type technologies can do everything that Flash can do. I'm sorry, you are wrong with a capital W.
If you have "been involved in many many many research situ's" checking all the details of who uses Webkit browsers and who don't maybe you could tell us how you arrived at 9/10 when most agreed stats make it more like 3/10? Sure take corporate users out of it and the ratio climbs a little but still not 9/10. And why would you design sites that only non-corporate users and also only those with Webkit browsers can use? (unless you're niche market). That would be dumb.
This thread is (was) about Flash. You think it is s****, not really done much with it, steer clients away from it but obviously know everything there is to know about Flash. But you continue to insist that client-side HTML5 type technologies can do everything that Flash can do. I'm sorry, you are wrong with a capital W.
If you have "been involved in many many many research situ's" checking all the details of who uses Webkit browsers and who don't maybe you could tell us how you arrived at 9/10 when most agreed stats make it more like 3/10? Sure take corporate users out of it and the ratio climbs a little but still not 9/10. And why would you design sites that only non-corporate users and also only those with Webkit browsers can use? (unless you're niche market). That would be dumb.
Ok I was a little OTT on the statistics but webkit/moz statistics as late as June were that 55% of browsers in use is either FF or Chrome - the rest is spread among others. Of which a higher percentage of which is IE7 (again corporate, predominately asia)
With that in mind you have to think, is this site aimed at corporate users? It may not, for example social networking, games etc. Is it essential to tackle the asian market? It again may not be. So if you break down the statistics thus far you suddenly see the webkit/moz compliant browsers rocket to a 7-8/10.
why would you design for non-corporate? for a great deal of reasons, is your market for the corporate world? It simply may not be, but if it is.. then things like 'flashy' styling are most likely not going to be applicable as is the corporate world.
I can tell you are certainly a strong flash user and will do anything to defend it, but flash IS a dying trend apart from the niches where is suits. but your right flash in the right hands can be very powerful, and a useful tool when manipulating designs into somewhat of a movie almost and interaction certainly is the highest.. but this can all be done with java based applications.
that being said it wont be long before HTML5 takes over, give it another year or two and the IE statistics will drop, although many end-users may still have it, unless MS start making good browsers the usage will drop for the likes of chrome, firefox and safari.
also bare in mind none of the above statistics are inclusive of mobile
anyway... back to flash
Last edited by simonchapman1986; 02 August 2011 at 04:13 PM.
#62
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Interesting that one of the things that Adobe gets beaten up over is 'security issues'. Saw this today ... http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...-security-risk ...
More *****-waving going on me thinks .....
Dave
According to a newly published report by the European Union cyber security agency ENISA, the security threats aren't small - there are at least 50 of them. HTML5's current specifications have flaws that range from weaknesses in the Cross-Origin Resource Sharing (CORS) implementation to features that render click jacking mitigation methods unusable.
Dave
#63
Scooby Senior
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That's great news, I'd be mighty pissed off if someone was claiming anything is secure. It'll give the Flash security blokes something to do.
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