Agreed, It is a rip-off. We watched Khan's "Gone in 54 seconds" for £15 squids ages ago, and we still feel very let down.

Certainly! I'd take up the friend's generous offer, doesn't matter if you like boxing or not. Leave the laptop or your internet phone behind, though. Not worth it. Remember, you are a volunteer without pay. You are within your rights to do other things in life when you like, as you like. Let some other donkey clear out rubbish from Scoobynet for tonight. These days, whatever takes one away from the computer for a bit at least, is a bliss to one. Go for it.

Ok. This raises another question of "paying for others" system and your revengeful reasoning to watch the match. The fact is that we are in survival cycle. We all depend on one other one way or the other, expolit one another, and live on. It is a vice-versa, ongoing process, so I wouldn't let my motives get effected by what I or others do for him. But, if this is the way you feel due to warped systems etc., do one thing at a time. Stop calling him your "mate" or a "friend" . Boycott his offer. Then, slag him off. Be genuine.

Here's hoping Hay gets spanked. That'll shut him up.

5th round, Haye will go down.

(prob p1ss on my parade now!)

Outclassed and outgunned.

Perhaps the fool will shut up and go away now. His first fight against a class fighter showed him up for what he is - average.

2 stone in weight and 6 inch of reach had more to do with it.

+ 1

Tyson never had that problem.

He often gave away 3 - 4 stone and 5" in reach.

Ahhh well roll on 2am for UFC proper fighting

I've NEVER watched a SBO boxing event due to the ludicrous extra cost...... Until tonight!

And our man lost.

Typical.

has the ability but needs to use it. Reminded me of fraudley tonight. crap fight, glad I watched it online. Serious egg on his face, hope he doesnt use the broken toe as an excuse, if he does I hope some commentator says its bollocks

Tyson at his pomp was an ungodly force of nature, just pure brutality and aggression, not a boxer a slugger.

But suppressing ability is part of the game. Haye's not good enough at this weight. He looked out of his league, and I'm glad he lost as he was emabarrassing with his pre fight spouting.

I agree, pure aggression. The guy needed medical help, mentally, most of his life, he never got that, he got a ring with another fighter

I disagree though, he was an exceptional slugger that changed boxing.

For the worst it would seem.

He did! Shoved it in front of the camera lol. And said that he found it hard to launch off/not a sound base for punching, etc.

TH, I have to point this out as my sly and bitter actions I think are justified; This situation has been going on and off over the past fourteen years where he managed to crow bar his way into our social circle. I have never ever nor dreamt of treating anyone else I know with this level of contempt and use the term 'mate' as a shorthand for a person I know, but don't necessarily hold in high regard but is unavoidably in the same social circle. He is the only sole current exception (previous examples being a former boss and a freak that latched onto me and would not leave me alone), anyone else I don't get on with easily falls out the loop, but not this fellow due to his unavoidable ties with other 'real' friends of mine.

He's not a nice person, highly inconsiderate and thinks the world revolves around him and thinks that life owes him some huge debt; Ask some other people who also know of him will say the same. He now sponges off the state and his parents (who have split up directly because of him, well, thats what his Dad told me).

Over the years he's abused my better nature at financial loss (at a time when I was short on cash) on what was based on a very one sided friendship; him sponging off me constantly (when I was too nieve to realise), but when I asked one thing of him, no, nothing in return. Excuse after excuse. So when I refused to do somthing he wanted, I get the law laid down about how wrong I am.

Well, that went through a five year spat of me physically avoiding him (call that the boycott period, if you will) as I promised to myself that I'd floor him if he demanded one more thing from me, vowing never let him get back up again. But being a friend of freind means he's always unavoidably in the loop. My rage has subsided into pity and total disrespect for him, so now I give him nothing; I just leach off him, let just say thats a less confrontational way of me dealing with the problem without causing upset within our social circle.

Last night simply was me tagging a lift of another mate, watching his TV, and drinking his beer. A poor attempt at payback if you call it that, but hey I wasn't planning on doing anything last night anyway.

This is not the real me; its just me reversing the tables so to speak. But you know what, he hasn't noticed! I've been dragging this out for almost a few years now where basically I've been nothing but an utter **** and he still hasn't rose to the bait. Maybe because secretly he knows, or he's just so ignorant that he hasn't noticed.

I'm not proud, but to be fully apreciative, you need to meet him to fully understand my viewpoint.




As for the boxing: ZZZzzzzz

That's the best way.

Maybe you need him in a way? Just an observation, if I don't like someone then I don't enter into relationships with them, but you seems to have had a relationship going with this guy for years? The question is why, you must be wanting something from it?

Nope, its a simple fact that he is friends with a few of my real long-term friends.

Now if I boycott him as Swati suggests (and what I have done so before), that also means boycotting my friends because he'll be there at every outing or social event. I also do not expect them to chose me over him (or viceversa) if I chose to give an ultimatum; Its not my place to choose who should be friends with my friends.

Hence I choose to tolerate. And if that means biting my lip and having a bitch on a forum, so be it.

So only see him when at group events and don't act too friendly. No need for drama queen 'boycotts' and 'ultimatums'.

If he calls you up just make up some BS excuse or something.

I think you are acting passive-aggressive and being co-dependent with this person. No offense or anything. I was like this when I was younger with a few people who latched on to me.

The fight was ****. I want my money back.

Thats exactly what I already do. Already did the boycott thing years back and very rarely do I answer his texts/calls/emails. And Swati provoked the response, as looking back at my initial post, it did reflect badly on my character. Explaining that its not black and white is hardly being the drama queen.

I admit the temptation to intentionally setting about to mess up his plans has occured to me, however its counterproductive and it doesn't sit well on my conscience. I don't see that as being on the same level as having a bit of sly bitch behind his back. Bad manners yes, but its not plotting/scheming as a means gain control of a situation or to undermine him in some act of superiority or self gratification.

Anyway, what is the alternative to passive aggression type behaviour; Actual aggression? Confrontation? Avoidance? I've already done that lot with this guy. Unless everyone else stops being involved with him, he's going to be on the scene for some time to come whether I like it or not.

So what alternative is there? Bearing in mind that the person concerned does have dependency disorders, and before his career hopes failed was probably narcissistic.

I never really gave that much thought until now! Tell me do you have a psychiatrist's chair in your study?

Just seems a waste of money to pay to see a couple of blokes trying to thump each other on a service which have you already paid for anyway.

I would not do it on principle.

Les