jonc

How low is a teacher's salary?

lillypop#1

[QUOTE=pslewis;10109497]You are speaking on behalf of your Mum, so don't really have any idea what you are talking about ..... just what you see your Mum doing and talking about.

oh because I can't manage to do my own research on the internet or look at newspapers? And i have never had conversations with government members about what's going on? just because i referenced all the work my mother has to do, does not mean that she is my only source of information, so please do not assume that.

Let me put you straight on a few things - just so that you get both sides of the debate.

Teachers are contracted to work 26 hours a week, that is their directed time - most other workers have to work a directed time of 40 hours per week!

Within those 26 hours Teachers have allocated time for marking and suchlike - if they are bad at Time Management then that is no reason for requesting sympathy here.

PPA time i think is what you are referring to and I will say here that my mother receives 1 hour of PPA a week. how is one person meant to mark 26 hours worth of children's work in an hour may i ask?

All, yes ALL, of your Mothers entitlement will be paid under the old rules - that's 25 years worth!! Not bad at all I would suggest? She is close to the magic 30 years at which point she is entitled to 75% of her final salary! Quite a fantastic package I'm sure you would agree?

Considering your Mum must have started Teaching at age 23 (the very youngest she could have in the mid 80's) .... she has done 25 years, making her 48 now (sorry, Mum!). The suggestion is that they work till 66, thats 18 years left - not the 20 you claim.

But, please bear in mind that your Mum can draw her current Pension of 75% of her Salary within 10 years!! ..... so, given her pay of around £50,000 - she will be on 75% of this in 10 years = £37,500. If she continues to work she will receive this PLUS her £50,000 a year until the new retirement age.

That's £87,500 a year!! I'm sure everyone reading this who pay Teachers huge wages and also fund their lavish Pension will think that a very reasonable remuneration!!

How is that barely having anything?


I can assure you that that is not the amount she will be receiving if the pension cuts go as planned. She doesn't want me to divulge how much she dies earn but I can assure you most strongly that it not close to that amount.

Your Mum does that because she doesn't do it in her 26 directed hours ...... I note that she has work that she does after work, that tells me she is a Head of Department or Head of House or part of the SLT.

Nope, just a regular teacher who has work she HAS to do otherwise she wont meet the requirements needed to be able to educate children

You may not be aware that a lot of people do not get paid overtime - I don't for one!! They also don't get 12 weeks holiday like Teachers do!!



I'm sure every Lollipop lady, every Binman, every Cashier, every shelf stacker and every Factory worker (who pay Teachers wages) have their hearts bleeding that Teachers may have to work the same hours and weeks that they do!!!

Has every Lollipop lady, every binman, every cashire, every shelf stacker and every factory worker spent years at university worked up huge debts and do they offer as high of an input to society...where would we be without teachers may i ask?...granted that they other jobs mentioned above do make a big difference, but i personally believe teachers play a far more important role and the only reason they have that holiday is due to the fact that the children are not in school. But soon that will not be a problem as they could be made to work during the holidays which I am personally not saying that they shouldn't, but i don't believe that the amount of holiday should be thrown against them when it could soon be taken away

Not one was Compulsary!!! These Teachers VOLUNTEERED to go - the payoff was so huge, so rewarding, so outrageously expensive to the normal taxpayers!!

So, forgive me if I don't cry for them!!

again the teachers in my mother's school did not volunteer to loose their jobs and there have been several let go or who have had their contracts ended and therefore will not have a job come September

Train Drivers get £55,000 a year ..... so, again, my heart won't bleed.

PLUS, your Mum along with ALL other Teachers will get a 7.5% Pay Increment in September - they get this EVERY September ................ all we have asked is that they don't get TWO payrises this year and next!!

The workers who are paying the vast Teachers wages are suffering a REAL pay freeze .... as they have no ancient Pay Spines to climb up automatically!!!

I will repeat that for everyone - Teachers will get a 7.5% Pay hike up their scales in September ............. anyone else getting 7.5% Pay rise?



The children are entitled to an education on that day - that's what!!!!

It is un-professional, un-ethical, not needed and a disgraceful waste of a childs life!!

highly over dramatic there...waste of life? it's one day

Teachers get all up their ***** about parents taking their kids out of school .... and here they are, taking all of the children in the land out of school !!!!

I think you'll find its not the teachers but government legislation that's the problem there...its not the teachers who are to blame for that, they just seem to be the scapegoats at the moment

In our single school, 1100 school days will be lost on Thursday and that is a disgrace - those who strike should be Sacked IMO!!!

on that thought should every other union that's ever striked be sacked? like the train drivers? and the firemen? very bright idea

lillypop#1

Don't they already pay that to teachers to look after their children through the day? So now they have to pay twice. Only how many low income families can afford to pay for child care? Not many.

and the other unions that have striked have not caused similar problems for the general public? When was the last time teachers striked on this type of scale? And I'm sorry when was the last time a parent walked into a school and gave teachers money? i don't believe that happens i think that's the government and its called taxes, which teachers also have to pay.

tony de wonderful

How much debt did your mum rack up at Uni?

Chip

But, please bear in mind that your Mum can draw her current Pension of 75% of her Salary within 10 years!! ..... so, given her pay of around £50,000 - she will be on 75% of this in 10 years = £37,500. If she continues to work she will receive this PLUS her £50,000 a year until the new retirement age.

Complete bollox according to thhe teachers pensions own website.

jonc

That is such a crass generalisation and uneducated point of view! Many have come out of Uni with huge debt and gone into low paid private sector jobs such is the competition and availability of certain jobs in order to make ends meet. Your mum can take comfort in the fact the taxes from the low paid will be used to subsidise her very generous pension whilst many of the low paid are unable to afford a pension of their own.

The taxes that teachers pay to the Government is nothing more than a token gesture since their salary comes from the Government. The real tax payers are workers from the private sector, you know, the low paid cashires, shelf stackers and every factory worker to name a few!

And stop with the hard up teachers line of argument just because they have to do a bit of overtime, or work up to 40 hours a week or aren't able to get home by 6pm "at night", pay freezes and redundancy (which quite frankly are very generous packages!). It is very insulting to those who already do all of these and more day in day out. I do 45 hour week (excluding overtime) on top of a 3 hour daily commute and I'm sure many in the private sector do the same if not more. If you read the previous 6 pages you will find little sympathy for the striking teachers and the reputation and esteem that you and from "society" hold in such high regard for teachers will be damaged by this union action.

Again, I've not heard a viable suggestion, in fact nothing from those in support of the strike for what they would do to reduce the annual £10bn over expenditure of public pension which is currently subsidised by the private sector or how they would remediate the future £30bn pension deficit black hole.

Even after the reform, the retirement package for teachers is significantly more generous than those in other sectors with some who would have contribute 30%-40% of their salary to match the package that teachers are getting. The Government are asking 3.2% from teachers!

TinyTim

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SERIOUSLY... if you ever get the chance to sit in on a lesson at a run-off-the-mill secondary school, do it. Of course, not every school is the same, but alot of Teachers simply dont get the respect they deserve these days.

Verbal abuse which (thanks to kids knowing their rights all to well, and todays bullsh*te PC society) the teachers cant really do anything effective about.

Physical abuse (again, the kid gets shipped off to another school in the area, no real punnishment)

Seems alot of parents these days treat schools as childcare groups... my wife had a parents evening last week for one of her years... of the whole year, 5 sets of parents actually bothered to turn up and take an interest in their kids education.. wtf is that all about? Sets a great example.

TinyTim

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Dont know who wrote that original quote but it's laughable.

Can we get something straight, some teachers like my wife are parents too... we pay around £600 a month for childcare. Do we whinge and plead pverty for it? No. We both work hard, and full time. We pay our taxes, and she educates 'your' children. In my eyes you should be thanking teachers.

TinyTim

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Congrats on retarded comment of the day.

Teachers pay the same amount of tax as anyone earning the same salary, what does it matter who pays their wages, they still have to work for it.

jonc

I very much agree with your point of view and unfortunately it is the blame lies soley at the feet of the parents and society's distorted and exagerated view for political correctness.

Teachers should be given more powers within reason to kerb disruptive and abusive behaviour without fear from reprisals from parents or governing bodies. Teachers definitely need more support from parents and government on this front.

jonc

Do the math, work it out!

TinyTim

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My wife and I went to a 'Welcome evening' at our local primary school yesterday as our son's joining in September. I found my blood boiling at the attitude of a few of the parents that were there. One bloke looked like he had better things to do with his life

TinyTim

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No, you're really going to have to explain that one!

jonc

Exercise 1.

You want to buy some apples for £1.

I do some work for you for which you pay me a £1.

However, as your sole income, you charge me 30% of what you pay me for the privilege of working for you.

So I pay you 30p for the privilege.

So now you only have 30p. What else do you need to do to buy those apples?

tony de wonderful

One of my old Teachers used to drink whiskey, even sent us on errands to the offie to pick up 'packages' for him.

He was also the best disciplinarian I even came across and was respected by all kids including the trouble-makers.

stilover

Tim nice but dim.

So you pay £600 a month for childcare? Congratulation you can afford to pay this. Most low paid workers in the private sector (and Public sector) get little more than that in wages. Yet they are expected to prop up the very generous Teachers pensions?

Get a life.

pslewis

Teachers, with children, in our School get free, or heavily discounted, childcare ...... and that is common amongst schools who have a Community Centre run by them attached to the school.

CREWJ

People get childcare vouchers based on income. If you are a low income family you pay hardly anything.

tony de wonderful

I'm not surprised is they don't get respect; look at their behavior regarding this strike.

pslewis

Following Thursday's strike no Teacher will be able to command any kind of respect from those who care for children!

Using children as a pawn in pursuit of their greed is a disgrace!

pslewis

Well, tomorrow Teachers abandon their pupils in the search for better conditions than everyone else!

The private sector adjusted years ago to the Pensions shortfall ..... stand up, stand by your pupils and do what everyone else has had to do!

Today is your last chance to salvage some respect - as tomorrow you lose it across the country!

Gordo

It's time to start sacking the sh1te teachers - that'll save some money to pay the decent ones.

f1_fan

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No such thing as a sh1te teacher as they are all brlliant at their job and work 60 hour weeks accordng to this thread LOL!

TinyTim

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Lets not forget not all the teachers unions want to strike, there's a large number of schools having to close due to 'X' amount of the teachers going on strike.

Some of those who dont want to strike havnt been given a choice, so pigeon-holing teachers is a little pathetic.

TinyTim

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Thanks, we work hard to be able to pay the childcare bills, though a large sum of that goes out to help the 'low paid workers' for their future pensions, healthcare etc....

Douchbag.

TinyTim

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TdW, see post 204.


And for the record, my wife isnt striking, she doesnt want to, she'd rather teach, but her school will be closed tomorrow due to staff shortages.
Nevertheless, she'll be working from home marking & lesson planning.

Jeez, she's such a selfish bitch sometimes.

tony de wonderful

That's a good point but why does the school have to shut?

TinyTim

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Obviosuly it'll vary from school to school, but in her school's case, there's a large number of NUT (and other unions pro striking) members. There's imply not enough non-striking teachers to keep the school running. The headteacher made the decision to close the school.

pslewis

The HeadTeachers are shutting schools because they support the Strike! Let's not beat about the bush on this one!

The ONLY reason other Teaching Unions are not striking is because they haven't ballotted as yet - no other reason.

I say sack ALL those who strike .... we don't want Teachers who are willing to walk away from their pupils in the pursuit of money!

TinyTim

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Because Petey Petal here has been round and asked EVERY single one of them individually.

Of course, and those teachers who vote no are still for striking! Kill the lot of them, they're all the same!!

Sorry, had a Hitler moment then....

Yeah, then we can get all the parents in to run the schools