Nothing like flying in the face of public opinion!

What? The country really isn't completely broke and can't afford (or adequately manage) public sector pensions?

Please do tell us what the truth is.

Nice attitude from a teacher there, well done. Should bring a wealth of support with that post

 

Another one who's out of touch with reality...

 

Sorry to press the point about pensions again but I don't seem to have had a reply to my question from a teacher on here..........which I will pose again

Do you think it's fair that a teacher gets 75% of their salary as a pension after 30 years whilst an NHS worker has to work for 40 years for a pension of 50% of their salary.

Teacher = 10 years less contribution for 25% better pension than the NHS

NHS pension contributions were raised in 2008 without much fuss.

Shaun

 

life isn't fair, if it was we would all be in banking

 

It's not defensible in anyway.

 

Too true!! STILL don't earn £40k after 35 years. Sounds like you think you SHOULD earn £40k. Many people in this world don't even have jobs. Those that do have jobs FAR FAR worse than teaching (OK teaching is far from perfect). But you are paid above average, have an amazing pension and STILL complain!!!

Get off your **** and go to work!

 

Good luck in getting an answer. 10 pages on none of the so called teachers who have spent many many years in academia or those in public sector have been able to give a reasonable answer to plugging the huge and mounting pension deficit, not reforming their pension or indeed able to justify their retirement package in light the current economic climate and with a few resorting to childish name calling. These are the people that are supposed be educating our children!!

 

So you are a teacher then .... that explains so much LOL!

 

Worrying isn't it? Maybe striking will have little effect on their pupils as given their inability to understand basic logic and mathematics I doubt there is much many of them could teach the kids anyway

 

The clincher for me was the Beeb interview of Lord Hutton on the Politics Show the weekend before last. If an ex-Labour minister says there's no choice but to reform public pensions and says so in a multi-party report that was months in writing, you know the game's up really:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13830560

 

Les, how is your 66.6666666666666% final salary, non-contributory pension doing for you?

Nice, is it?

 

THIS THREAD COULD BE SUMMED UP IN 2 WORDS
GAME OVER

 

Teachers need a wake up call. For too long they have had it too good. I work in schools around the country as a contactor and all i have heard is moaning about pay freezes and pensions, Well welcome to the real world. I dont have anyone making contributions to my pension? ive had no pay rise in 18months.
There is too many people going into teaching for the easy ride, nice pension, sick pay, plenty of holiday etc The level of care and teaching in some schools is awful, i really hope they Governmnent dont give into these unions.

 

That said i cant see much wrong with a bit of national service

 

I think it would straighten out a lot of people.

Hell, you could even base it on grades If you can't get, say, 9 GCSE's at grade C and above you get national service.

 

The Teachers are really stupid - they are turning the spotlight upon themselves and people are going to see some glaring facts they didn't know before!

1. They have had TWO payrises per year for decades.

2. They get an automatic move up the payspine worth 7.5% each September.

3. They have had an annual payrise each year to cover cost of living.

4. Their Pensions are the best in the world - 75% of Final Salary after just 30 years work!

5. They are only directed to work 26 hours a week ... think about that, when they say they have to work extra hours they mean over and above 26 hours a week ... the rest of the world has been working 40 or more for ever!

6. They receive 12 weeks holiday a year. Maybe they mark papers whilst sat on a Caribean beach ... is that 'really' working?

They have been found out, caught with their hands in the Taxpayers pockets and we ain't putting up with it anymore!!

GET BACK TO WORK and do what you are paid an enormous amount to do!!

 

Pure example of a teacher not really getting "The Real World" TM

A teacher on Breakfast News this morning together with a chap from chamber of commerce.

Commerce chap says that for a teacher to receive £24K a year on retirement the pension "pot" would have to be half a million.

The teacher then starts ranting that teachers don't have a pension pot - yet no more than 2 sentences ago it was explained that teachers pension are Defined Benefit schemes.

A defined benefit scheme states that you will get X a year in retirement - where the f*ck does she think the money comes from? The money required to pay X a year has to be set aside. It is still effectively a pot of money to provide that pension.

And this business about them being horrified they have to work over 65 - our MD is 71. He has more go in him than most people younger than me. Public sector in general think they have a right to the things the private sector have to fight for tooth and nail.

In this case, teachers behave no better than the workshy benefit fools that believe housing and wellfare is a right not a privilege.

And while I'm giving this coffee fueled sermon, there were two mentions on the news about public sector pensions reducing over the years - What? How? Wages will still go up, pension contributions will have to go up all the time, even if you reduce the number of people in the public sector, the cost of the others will eventually overtake any saving made by not taking on new staff. That to me is complete government rubbish.

 

Sky just interviewed a few Teachers just now.

They come across as misfits who would never be able to command a similar salary in the private sector.

 

Eddscott

I looked into this "cost of pensions reducing" from Hutton's report and on the face of it it's true for the data they use / estimate. The cost of public pensions 2010/11 is 1.9% of GDP but forcasts on long term growth indicate that the percentage of GDP taken for public pensions in 20 years time will be 1.5%.

Lord Hutton's growth figures are a bit iffy though LOL

The actual cost of pensions will rise by billions in real terms though.......

Shaun

 

Just watching a bit of the news and they interviewed three deluded morons that some of you would probably call teachers. One waffled about how hard her life is already (LOL), another about how they didn't want to disrupt children's education (well you are doing you stupid bitch) and a third about how the public support them.... LOL at her ... she needs chucking in the nearest mental asylum if she really believes that.

To think these w4nkers are supposed to be intelligent people charged with shaping the future of the nation education wise... I despair.

I just hope Cameron grows a spine and doesn't back down in any way. Not holding my breath though.

 

Holding the kids to ransom over pension is a disgrace. They should take note of what private sector workers face eg: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/17166134-a...#axzz1QknfIr3m

and get some real issues.

 

That is what I was thinking. I hope not all Teachers are as stupid/dishonest.

Going on what Teachers say on TV the LAST reason they are striking is for their own benefit!

 

I saw this as well. Two minutes after she said that there was no pension pot she said, "how can I negotiate with the government if they wont tell me how much is in the pension pot". Deluded!

Chip

 

Anyone have a source confirming the previous deal was 75% of final salary after 30yr service? My colleague who's wife is a teacher is adamant that 40/80ths is the max as per the NHS, ie. 50% for 40 years service.

 

I believe you are right.From their own scheme webpage:


If you were a member of the scheme before
1 January 2007 the method of calculating
benefits, which will consist of an annual
pension and a lump sum based on
reckonable service and average salary, is as
follows:
Pension = Service x Average Salary/80

The automatic lump sum is three times the pension

Chip

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11446829

Depends on when you joined........

Shaun

 

Is there a chance we'll see this headline in tomorrow's papers?

"TEACHERS STRIKE IDLE KIDS"

 

I felt obliged to point out the incorrect spelling on some of the placards on the picket line outside the kids’ school this morning.


Teachers have no sense of humour.

 

Seems the agency teaching staff made it in today despite stirrings from their public sector equivalents .

 

They would, no pension to worry about