Illegal immigrants amnesty.
03 June 2011, 10:43 AM
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Old Asylum Seekers: One time only offer to old/outdated asylum applicants. It would not apply to new/current applications. The aim is to clear up the mess that is the thousands of people who are already here.
And only asylum applicants. Not illegal immigrants who totally evaded our boarder controls. Rejected asylum applicants, technically are; but if they want to stay here, they should make themselves known...a last chance to hold up their hand and be counted, otherwise, we'll kick them out as and when we find them.
Any new asylum applicants would only be accepted for review if the applicant has proof they are from a country of conflict and can explain how they ended up in the UK and had valid reason for not applying for asylum in any of the countries they passed through beforehand (and adopting the same Asylum laws of those countries in which they passed). And also making themselves known at the point of entry; not claiming after being found working in the back of a Chinese take away.
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03 June 2011, 11:13 AM
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Are we mixing up Asylum seekers with illegal immigrants still?
Old Asylum Seekers: One time only offer to old/outdated asylum applicants. It would not apply to new/current applications. The aim is to clear up the mess that is the thousands of people who are already here.
And only asylum applicants. Not illegal immigrants who totally evaded our boarder controls. Rejected asylum applicants, technically are; but if they want to stay here, they should make themselves known...a last chance to hold up their hand and be counted, otherwise, we'll kick them out as and when we find them.
Any new asylum applicants would only be accepted for review if the applicant has proof they are from a country of conflict and can explain how they ended up in the UK and had valid reason for not applying for asylum in any of the countries they passed through beforehand (and adopting the same Asylum laws of those countries in which they passed). And also making themselves known at the point of entry; not claiming after being found working in the back of a Chinese take away.
Old Asylum Seekers: One time only offer to old/outdated asylum applicants. It would not apply to new/current applications. The aim is to clear up the mess that is the thousands of people who are already here.
And only asylum applicants. Not illegal immigrants who totally evaded our boarder controls. Rejected asylum applicants, technically are; but if they want to stay here, they should make themselves known...a last chance to hold up their hand and be counted, otherwise, we'll kick them out as and when we find them.
Any new asylum applicants would only be accepted for review if the applicant has proof they are from a country of conflict and can explain how they ended up in the UK and had valid reason for not applying for asylum in any of the countries they passed through beforehand (and adopting the same Asylum laws of those countries in which they passed). And also making themselves known at the point of entry; not claiming after being found working in the back of a Chinese take away.
Makes a lot of sense
03 June 2011, 12:08 PM
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Asylum seekers - don't care how long they've been here - cannot get to the UK without crossing other countries where they are LEGALLY obliged to seek asylum. Send them back to France/Ireland/Holland/wherever they've come from.
Illegals - throw them out anyway.
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Illegals - throw them out anyway.
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03 June 2011, 12:56 PM
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So you'd be happy to uproot an established family that could very well be a happy part of a community with friends and young kids at school? Not very nice.
And are you sure that UK could legally do as you suggest. I'd lay a pound to a pinch of snuff that we would be breaking some international or European law.
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03 June 2011, 01:15 PM
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that would be George Jones and his Clubsound band. Shankill airways and all that. That was funny back then. we may have been laid back then but there were so few immigrants over here and we were too busy killing each other to notice any way. Not so now. eastern euopeans, poles, lithuanians have all been the target of violent racist attacks and petrol bombings and intimidation. the chinese seem to get away with it mainly because all the chinkys would close down overnight and where would the **** heads get their feed at 2am on a saturday morning.
03 June 2011, 01:28 PM
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Fair point but I think practically that boils down to semantics. So abused is the asylum system...that the terms are practically synonymous.
Anyone immigrant can claim to be seeking asylum after all.
Same outcome whatever, either way it's huge numbers of people coming here.
Anyone immigrant can claim to be seeking asylum after all.
Same outcome whatever, either way it's huge numbers of people coming here.
03 June 2011, 01:30 PM
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So you'd be happy to uproot an established family that could very well be a happy part of a community with friends and young kids at school? Not very nice.
And are you sure that UK could legally do as you suggest. I'd lay a pound to a pinch of snuff that we would be breaking some international or European law.
dl
And are you sure that UK could legally do as you suggest. I'd lay a pound to a pinch of snuff that we would be breaking some international or European law.
dl
There should be consequences for breaking laws.
03 June 2011, 01:35 PM
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I feel this could be a way to make it right for those who applied at a stage when Labour's asylum system was dysfunctional and who actually want to be part of the UK a chance. i.e to make what is currently wrong, better....If they stand up and be counted we'll reward them for it. We'll know who that are, where they are currently, and given them the chance to be a UK taxpayer ( 
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).Lots of these people coming here care nothing for the UK as such, it's just about opportunity....as much about the welfare system as potential jobs. This place is just like a Hilton for them or something....just a place to be put up in.
03 June 2011, 01:38 PM
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that would be George Jones and his Clubsound band. Shankill airways and all that. That was funny back then. we may have been laid back then but there were so few immigrants over here and we were too busy killing each other to notice any way. Not so now. eastern euopeans, poles, lithuanians have all been the target of violent racist attacks and petrol bombings and intimidation. the chinese seem to get away with it mainly because all the chinkys would close down overnight and where would the **** heads get their feed at 2am on a saturday morning.
03 June 2011, 01:48 PM
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The Chinese diaspora have always been highly adept at slotting into other countries whilst creating minimal ripples, and they suffered lots of discrimination in 19th century America for example. And they did it all successfully in the days before welfare, human rights etc.
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So you'd be happy to uproot an established family that could very well be a happy part of a community with friends and young kids at school? Not very nice.
And are you sure that UK could legally do as you suggest. I'd lay a pound to a pinch of snuff that we would be breaking some international or European law.
dl
And are you sure that UK could legally do as you suggest. I'd lay a pound to a pinch of snuff that we would be breaking some international or European law.
dl
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03 June 2011, 02:47 PM
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that would be George Jones and his Clubsound band. Shankill airways and all that. That was funny back then. we may have been laid back then but there were so few immigrants over here and we were too busy killing each other to notice any way. Not so now. eastern euopeans, poles, lithuanians have all been the target of violent racist attacks and petrol bombings and intimidation. the chinese seem to get away with it mainly because all the chinkys would close down overnight and where would the **** heads get their feed at 2am on a saturday morning.
Me & a couple of mates went for a party up to Belfast/Down one time. We were all of 17 and when we turned up @ the station in Derry it was surrounded by RUC. The train was almost empty so we settled down and waited for the train to depart. It was delayed & we began to wonder why when all of a sudden a great noise of drums started getting closer - only the Apprentice Boys coming to the station after their annual march
100s of them, all carrying booze and singing/drumming away, so our empty train suddenly got rather full. We sat quietly in the corner until we were noticed and the 20 questions started... Fortunately with broad english accents we were considered "ok" (dread to think what would have happened if they thought we were from the Bogside) and we were offered drink. The rest of the trip was a lesson in racism as "they" were going to sort out the "catholics" and we should sort out the "blacks" in the UK (this was pre-muslim). Despite the fact that we got absolutely rat-ar$ed, we were very glad to reach Belfast unscathed. It was nice having an RUC greeting line at every station too!
03 June 2011, 03:32 PM
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My parents, also started their business back in the early '70's and life for us was very tough back then. Again, we were a target for vandalism and often quite violent racial abuse. We had many "visits" from the NF smashing our windows, smashing up the furniture and fittings in our shop. I will never forget seeing my mum being punched in the face and knocked to the ground face bloodied and my dad rushing out trying to fend off a group of skinheads with a meat cleaver in his shop. As time went on we built up a good rappour with our regular customers and with the local police, the odd free pancake roll or a bag of chips with an order does wonders for getting the off duty police on your side!
Things have improved immeasurably since those days with my dad being one of the founding members of the Devon and Cornwall Chinese Association built up a large and inclusive community linking small businesses and families across Devon and Cornwall with the backing of Mayor of Plymouth and Devon and Cornwall Police.
03 June 2011, 06:01 PM
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I never said they integrated as such. Fact is they haven't but otoh they never asked anything of the host countries really, they are self-reliant and just about commerce. You never see them demanding this and that and blaming everyone else, never demanding their own laws or special rights.
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03 June 2011, 06:05 PM
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03 June 2011, 07:05 PM
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thank **** i live in northern ireland where we live in a province of racial intolerence, not only do we kill each other still because of our religion, we pay special attention to those immigrants and suffer none to pass. we just petrol bomb them out or intimidate them. not something to be proud of but i don't have to pass a begging eastern european every 10 yards in belfast. you guys in engerland are too soft. send them all back home again. dole scrounging dodgy *******
Ah so there is a heaven on earth
Said it for years now.......let them flock in , BUT Friday 6pm til Sunday 12pm we can hunt them like animals
Fk em let's have em out
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Utter madness it would seem?
I was listening to a debate on R5 this morning, it was interesting. It would seem that despite the fact that many people are sick or and worried by the flood of people into this country, the lefty pro-unconditional immigration/asylum for all etc just seem to totally have the debate cornered and owned.
It just seems they have to cry racism and 'discrimination' etc and 'right to family life' or other 'human rights' and the other side of the argument just packs up and goes home.
Is there an articulate voice against immigration, or just voices beyond the pail, i.e BNP?
What is legitimately wrong with not wanting to over-populate this country too much and being a social conservative?
These awful lefty types just seem to think that we'll have this multi-cultural utopia if we let anyone come here. So much injustice and so little time to fight it! We can save everyone who is oppressed and suffering!
Now I have to be honest, and years ago I might have believed that crap, but having traveled a fair bit especially to some less than savory countries, I've come to believe that (stable) western democracy is an exception and something to be conserved...it's a good thing...and more fragile than you might think! And it doesn't just 'happen' it needs to be maintained! Much of the world is dysfunctional and poorly socialised, bad regimes, bad education, bad institutions, bad cultural norms and conventions.
I don't believe that flooding our country with a) these people who have never been through our education system (education perpetuates democracy by socialising i.e John Dewey) b) over-populating c) causing social tensions and instability - is in anyway a good thing! Why do it?
I don't believe we have any unconditional duty to save everyone who suffer. It's hubris and arrogance to think we can. People will always suffer. Leave saving people to the individual and his/her conscience not to the state. These lefty idiots just don't seem to get that.
I was listening to a debate on R5 this morning, it was interesting. It would seem that despite the fact that many people are sick or and worried by the flood of people into this country, the lefty pro-unconditional immigration/asylum for all etc just seem to totally have the debate cornered and owned.
It just seems they have to cry racism and 'discrimination' etc and 'right to family life' or other 'human rights' and the other side of the argument just packs up and goes home.
Is there an articulate voice against immigration, or just voices beyond the pail, i.e BNP?
What is legitimately wrong with not wanting to over-populate this country too much and being a social conservative?
These awful lefty types just seem to think that we'll have this multi-cultural utopia if we let anyone come here. So much injustice and so little time to fight it! We can save everyone who is oppressed and suffering!
Now I have to be honest, and years ago I might have believed that crap, but having traveled a fair bit especially to some less than savory countries, I've come to believe that (stable) western democracy is an exception and something to be conserved...it's a good thing...and more fragile than you might think! And it doesn't just 'happen' it needs to be maintained! Much of the world is dysfunctional and poorly socialised, bad regimes, bad education, bad institutions, bad cultural norms and conventions.
I don't believe that flooding our country with a) these people who have never been through our education system (education perpetuates democracy by socialising i.e John Dewey) b) over-populating c) causing social tensions and instability - is in anyway a good thing! Why do it?
I don't believe we have any unconditional duty to save everyone who suffer. It's hubris and arrogance to think we can. People will always suffer. Leave saving people to the individual and his/her conscience not to the state. These lefty idiots just don't seem to get that.
They fondly believe that they will have even greater powers should they achieve that.
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04 June 2011, 11:36 AM
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The UK as been exploited for far too long,these lefty do gooder types will still cry Human rights as we are all packed together like sardines in a can,and we are falling off the edge into the sea.
We all know why they come to the UK because other countries in Europe don't just hand out benefits,you have to of worked ex amount of years before you are entitled to claim if needed.People of the same race are sticking together in groups dotted throughout towns etc,maybe is the odd exception.Its got out of hand and the powers that be do realise we are a very small country with limited resources that are already struggling,but as soon as someone speaks out they are branded a racist..
We all know why they come to the UK because other countries in Europe don't just hand out benefits,you have to of worked ex amount of years before you are entitled to claim if needed.People of the same race are sticking together in groups dotted throughout towns etc,maybe is the odd exception.Its got out of hand and the powers that be do realise we are a very small country with limited resources that are already struggling,but as soon as someone speaks out they are branded a racist..
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thank **** i live in northern ireland where we live in a province of racial intolerence, not only do we kill each other still because of our religion, we pay special attention to those immigrants and suffer none to pass. we just petrol bomb them out or intimidate them. not something to be proud of but i don't have to pass a begging eastern european every 10 yards in belfast. you guys in engerland are too soft. send them all back home again. dole scrounging dodgy *******
05 June 2011, 01:53 PM
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The UK as been exploited for far too long,these lefty do gooder types will still cry Human rights as we are all packed together like sardines in a can,and we are falling off the edge into the sea.
We all know why they come to the UK because other countries in Europe don't just hand out benefits,you have to of worked ex amount of years before you are entitled to claim if needed.People of the same race are sticking together in groups dotted throughout towns etc,maybe is the odd exception.Its got out of hand and the powers that be do realise we are a very small country with limited resources that are already struggling,but as soon as someone speaks out they are branded a racist..
We all know why they come to the UK because other countries in Europe don't just hand out benefits,you have to of worked ex amount of years before you are entitled to claim if needed.People of the same race are sticking together in groups dotted throughout towns etc,maybe is the odd exception.Its got out of hand and the powers that be do realise we are a very small country with limited resources that are already struggling,but as soon as someone speaks out they are branded a racist..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12011868
Apparently we cannot even deport child killers, this scumbag ran over a 12y/o and fled the scene leaving her under the wheels of the car to die...http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...rtation-bid.do
Be interested to see if he was ever deported. Yet again an illegal immigrant criminal having a child of his own here means he can do as he likes, even child murder...
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05 June 2011, 02:14 PM
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I never said they integrated as such. Fact is they haven't but otoh they never asked anything of the host countries really, they are self-reliant and just about commerce. You never see them demanding this and that and blaming everyone else, never demanding their own laws or special rights.
- apart from Wyanne and wyanetta that is ?
05 June 2011, 02:58 PM
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The UK as been exploited for far too long,these lefty do gooder types will still cry Human rights as we are all packed together like sardines in a can,and we are falling off the edge into the sea.
We all know why they come to the UK because other countries in Europe don't just hand out benefits,you have to of worked ex amount of years before you are entitled to claim if needed.People of the same race are sticking together in groups dotted throughout towns etc,maybe is the odd exception.Its got out of hand and the powers that be do realise we are a very small country with limited resources that are already struggling,but as soon as someone speaks out they are branded a racist..
We all know why they come to the UK because other countries in Europe don't just hand out benefits,you have to of worked ex amount of years before you are entitled to claim if needed.People of the same race are sticking together in groups dotted throughout towns etc,maybe is the odd exception.Its got out of hand and the powers that be do realise we are a very small country with limited resources that are already struggling,but as soon as someone speaks out they are branded a racist..
05 June 2011, 07:31 PM
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this puts it into perspective how much this is costing us tax payers in needs to stop asap
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/asylum-se...ome-and-abroad
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/asylum-se...ome-and-abroad
06 June 2011, 08:26 AM
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