Type R
#62
Lucky I had access to a mandrel press. I would have been struggling to fit it otherwise.
I am beginning to think I should have gone with just a castor kit, rather than WL's ALK, as the end result is likely to have been more castor and a better result overall...
#64
Graham Martin (enginemapper.co.uk) tweaked the map on the Type R today at Silverstone Autosport RR. The map had a tweak with the last lot of work carried out (not by Graham) but there were a few issues I wanted ironing out plus a RR power run. Managed to get another 30bhp plus a smoother power delivery, plus more power more earlier. Power to weight should be around 283bhp/ton now (assuming 1170Kg weight. Some may say otherwise, but that's the story I'm sticking to )
Boost introduction is now super smooth, whereas before there was compression spluttering.
ACT's are still too high though - into low 40°'s (ambient probably upper 20's). This with a front mount. A temp probe was placed at the induction cone and this was high 40's.
Need a fog light cone intake to get the induction air temp down. Plus move the number plate out the way of the front mount...
Boost introduction is now super smooth, whereas before there was compression spluttering.
ACT's are still too high though - into low 40°'s (ambient probably upper 20's). This with a front mount. A temp probe was placed at the induction cone and this was high 40's.
Need a fog light cone intake to get the induction air temp down. Plus move the number plate out the way of the front mount...
Last edited by bonesetter; 02 August 2011 at 07:53 PM.
#65
Changed the steering wheel from the stock Momo to this V8 one.
I measured the centre line of the rim dia on each and the V8 is just over 10mm smaller at ~350mm. The difference in feel between the two seems out of proportion to just 10mm. The actual rim dia is slightly smaller too. More knee clearance, easier to one hand steer on quick lock changes, crossing hands etc, makes for 'lighter' steering feel, All in all much better
I remember using one of these on a JDM new age I owned and the one niggle was it made your hands sweat, especially when pushing on Will have to see hoe this one goes
I measured the centre line of the rim dia on each and the V8 is just over 10mm smaller at ~350mm. The difference in feel between the two seems out of proportion to just 10mm. The actual rim dia is slightly smaller too. More knee clearance, easier to one hand steer on quick lock changes, crossing hands etc, makes for 'lighter' steering feel, All in all much better
I remember using one of these on a JDM new age I owned and the one niggle was it made your hands sweat, especially when pushing on Will have to see hoe this one goes
#68
This car shows more itself all the time...
As an import, I decided to look into undersealing.
Much midnight oil... steamcleaning, then Dinitrol (black colour) for wheel arches. Then air compressor on a lifting ramp wax the lot
Here's what I've gotten from the under body clean...
The very light surface rust in the centre of the arch is from the steam clean...
As an import, I decided to look into undersealing.
Much midnight oil... steamcleaning, then Dinitrol (black colour) for wheel arches. Then air compressor on a lifting ramp wax the lot
Here's what I've gotten from the under body clean...
The very light surface rust in the centre of the arch is from the steam clean...
Last edited by bonesetter; 24 August 2011 at 07:29 AM.
#72
Quite impressed with the Dinitrol (4941) application - certainly looks nice. Not sure how it will wear, but the car is only really a fair weather outing type so it wont see bad conditions
Decided to go for MIL-Spec 3215 for the rest of the underneath. Next fine day I'll give it a go
Thanks for the good comments
Decided to go for MIL-Spec 3215 for the rest of the underneath. Next fine day I'll give it a go
Thanks for the good comments
#73
After the arches, the underneath was next - what a job. If you're doing it I recommend wearing a white disposable suit AND most impoertantly a hood
The MIL-SPEC has done a great job. Ended up covering just about everything, and it did it splendidly. It has dried and hardened firmer than waxoyl, and when washing the car today the hose water was deflected off very impressively
The MIL-SPEC has done a great job. Ended up covering just about everything, and it did it splendidly. It has dried and hardened firmer than waxoyl, and when washing the car today the hose water was deflected off very impressively
#75
Update 20/10/11:
Since fitting the AD08's I haven't alterered anything, just been driving and enjoying, in fact the car has seen half a dozen blat out's (~100milers ea), of which today's trot around Shropshire's finest B roads was the best drive yet
Weather was just great, traffic light etc etc.. it all came together
120 miles later the lasting impression is of grip - huge tractable levels. High speed yumps, uphill tight twisties, occasional blind faith bends... impeccable behavior, outstanding performance.
By far the best scooby I have owned, and indeed the most amazing and capable car ever.
The blob JDM twin scroll 370/360 was always a stand out, but this Type R has eclipsed it - more connected with the road, organic feel, super devastating with 331 bhp, I can't imagine a more rwarding scooby.
Very big thanks to all the folk here for their input into this car SN was an absolute inspiration for this car
Special thanks to Arnie, but most of all to Dave Garrett for selling a well sorted car to begin with, and Job Gerves for tireless suspension advise, thanks
Since fitting the AD08's I haven't alterered anything, just been driving and enjoying, in fact the car has seen half a dozen blat out's (~100milers ea), of which today's trot around Shropshire's finest B roads was the best drive yet
Weather was just great, traffic light etc etc.. it all came together
120 miles later the lasting impression is of grip - huge tractable levels. High speed yumps, uphill tight twisties, occasional blind faith bends... impeccable behavior, outstanding performance.
By far the best scooby I have owned, and indeed the most amazing and capable car ever.
The blob JDM twin scroll 370/360 was always a stand out, but this Type R has eclipsed it - more connected with the road, organic feel, super devastating with 331 bhp, I can't imagine a more rwarding scooby.
Very big thanks to all the folk here for their input into this car SN was an absolute inspiration for this car
Special thanks to Arnie, but most of all to Dave Garrett for selling a well sorted car to begin with, and Job Gerves for tireless suspension advise, thanks
Last edited by bonesetter; 20 October 2011 at 08:52 PM.
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MY V4 Type R weighs in at 1290kg's, with a 6 speed 'box and Brembo's. I'm not sure how much these weigh compared to standard items but a fair few kg's I bet. Car looks great BTW.
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The 'wax' seems adequately durable, with no sign of any coming off (waxoyl literally gets washed off), and the lovely smell of it is still there when i open the garage
#85
Update
Decided to fit the Bilstein dampers I picked up last year (good price), and do a comparison. I haven't seen too much feedback from anyone who has tried both the Bilstein and the V5 KYB 'red' OE STi damper.
Both are inverted high pressure monotubed dampers, but the Bilstein is widely considered the superior performer. It has better low speed/bump damping, a better seal to prevent drying out and knocking around the damper cartridge body and the strut body opening. It also should have gone onto the P1, along with the 'UK specific' Prodrive developed P1 spring, but sadly was deemed too expensive so never made it.
I bought the KYB dampers new from a dealer two years ago when getting the car up to scratch, along with a new set of original P1 springs
Here they are
They have been performing well, and really, I was happy with how they did everything. When I saw the Bilsteins at their price I couldn't resist...
So last week they went on
Here's a ride report
Here's how they make the car sit
Here's the car with the KYB's
Both are inverted high pressure monotubed dampers, but the Bilstein is widely considered the superior performer. It has better low speed/bump damping, a better seal to prevent drying out and knocking around the damper cartridge body and the strut body opening. It also should have gone onto the P1, along with the 'UK specific' Prodrive developed P1 spring, but sadly was deemed too expensive so never made it.
I bought the KYB dampers new from a dealer two years ago when getting the car up to scratch, along with a new set of original P1 springs
Here they are
They have been performing well, and really, I was happy with how they did everything. When I saw the Bilsteins at their price I couldn't resist...
So last week they went on
Here's a ride report
Here's how they make the car sit
Here's the car with the KYB's
Last edited by bonesetter; 29 August 2012 at 03:58 PM.
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Fantastic nigel! Glad you decided to put them on. As you commented up top, you're one of the few who've been able to do a close, back to back comparison of the P1 springs on fresh, original V5 dampers and the Billies. Very informative to read your impressions. I've installed some Bilstein B6's into my Peugeot 106 XSi and have also been pleasantly surprised with the ride quality. I was expecting a bit more low speed nuggety action with it smoothing up once you get some speed and energy into the damper (like the KYB inverted damper). But they are completely smooth from the get go. Very nice valving done by Bilstein. Its been around 10 years now since I've ridden on the suspension Nigel has and its great to read about how great it still is. Suspension has moved on a bit since those first came out and its nice to see they can still teach folk a thing or two about good handling. I think what I most liked about that suspension is that it "breathed" over all the types of bumps. It was always controlled but it absorbed all impacts and gave that, as Nigel says, the feeling of endless travel. Nice.
I concur with Nigel, if you guys get a chance to get your hands on a fresh set of these struts, jump on them. They really are worth it.
I concur with Nigel, if you guys get a chance to get your hands on a fresh set of these struts, jump on them. They really are worth it.
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I'm currently using koni inserts, with front extenders and p1 springs.
I also have a set of bilsteins with wr springs.
Koni inserts are available new and Bilsteins are re-buildable. But, wr and p1 springs are no longer made.
What springs, currently available, would you use?
Linear/progressive?
What front and rear lb/in? - At least 200lb/in rear?
Internet says - p1 progressive 215/195. wr linear 195/165
Front and rear ride heights? People seem to prefer the look of the wr ride height. I'm not bothered.
I wonder.. how much is a set of custom springs?
I also have a set of bilsteins with wr springs.
Koni inserts are available new and Bilsteins are re-buildable. But, wr and p1 springs are no longer made.
What springs, currently available, would you use?
Linear/progressive?
What front and rear lb/in? - At least 200lb/in rear?
Internet says - p1 progressive 215/195. wr linear 195/165
Front and rear ride heights? People seem to prefer the look of the wr ride height. I'm not bothered.
I wonder.. how much is a set of custom springs?
#89
The Koni inserts are meant to be a decent performer (not tried them myself). Would be good to hear your comparison with the Bilsteins.
Remind me what the WR springs are
I would really struggle to decide on a set of springs with what's available now. I might even go for an STi set, or find a low miles P1 set (they are about)
As for ride height, I'm a stickler for maintaining decent travel and not over-lowering. The ride with the Tein S-Techs which were originally on the car made for a dreadful time of things.
I like the progression and 'float' the P1 springs give and think they are just about right
Remind me what the WR springs are
I would really struggle to decide on a set of springs with what's available now. I might even go for an STi set, or find a low miles P1 set (they are about)
As for ride height, I'm a stickler for maintaining decent travel and not over-lowering. The ride with the Tein S-Techs which were originally on the car made for a dreadful time of things.
I like the progression and 'float' the P1 springs give and think they are just about right
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The wr springs were the original fitment with the bilstein struts. The ride height is more like the tein's.
I agree with your not over lowering statement.
So, I'm not sure what prodrive did, with the bilstein/wr spring package, to make it work, at the low ride height.
I have read that the P1 was to use bilstein struts, but the costs were too high. So the p1 spring was designed too work with the cheaper strut, which needed more ride height???
I was looking at the, standard and lowered, sti spring rates. I don't know how accurate the internet rating, of the P1 and wr springs is, for a comparison. I might try and get mine measured.
I agree with your not over lowering statement.
So, I'm not sure what prodrive did, with the bilstein/wr spring package, to make it work, at the low ride height.
I have read that the P1 was to use bilstein struts, but the costs were too high. So the p1 spring was designed too work with the cheaper strut, which needed more ride height???
I was looking at the, standard and lowered, sti spring rates. I don't know how accurate the internet rating, of the P1 and wr springs is, for a comparison. I might try and get mine measured.