Then why after 14 years 'residency' are illegals allowed to get citizenship?

...and why are there several hundred thousands failed asylum seekers still in the UK?

Apparently if the illegals do not have any proof of where they are from then they cannot be returned. Even if they have said where they are from - countries like Afghanistan and Iraq will not accept them without a passport or proof of their heritage - either way they are then 'our' problem to look after indefinitely. The system encourages illegals to 'loose' their paperwork so they cannot be returned - absolute madness

The system is easily exploitable and no one seems to want to step up border controls this side of the channel or the other. Perhaps the army or private security should be employed to make our borders more secure and keep out undesirables and those intent on getting here to milk the system.

To all those who say illegals got nothing - well apparently they do if proof or their homeland is not forthcoming then we have to look after them once they are here!

About time a few people removed their head from the sand or even their own asses and woke up to the reality!

My question I think is quite clear, my point perhaps not. So what immigrant blood do you have in you?

Cant comment , i suspect youve just made the fugures up


i do know/have heard from reliable sources of people that can wait more than 7 without any response from home office at all - during which it is illegal for them to work

they get 40 quid a week and a roof over their head


People who had 5 years stay WERE eliglible for indefinite - probably changed now

well here is 135,000 who just became 'British' for no reason other than the HO can't be ar$ed/to help clear the backlog so gives a god indication of just how many - Maybe TdW is not far out after all... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-Britain.html

Ok say it were try , do you realise what percentage of the population this figure is

( its around .0023 )

How about I do that when media and 'sheep' like your good self realise it isn't as big a problem as some of the other issues in the UK? Deal?

In what way does it give a good indication? What mathematcical model are you using for that extrapolation? Finger in the air and think of a number I reckon

Well, at lest 135,000, or at least there where...time to remove you head from your bottom yet?

Even your fave bleeding heart left-wing paper puts the number at 500,000 in 2009
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/ma...ration-poverty

Should we give them benefits, houses, access to NHS, schools, etc and if so, who exactly pays for this i wonder...

That wasn'tr what you implied though. You said ..."here is 135,000, ... that gives a good idea of how many.."

So hio many is it according to your theory?

Lol, oh dear, the reality a bit too much for you to handle - You need to let go of the 135,000, try the link i posted above 500,000 or there abouts'., bit more than 135,000 and more of a concern. Best not to deflect away from the 'real' figures by playing little games eh

So, tell me how do you feel about 500,000 (or so) failed asylum seekers still here then???

Assuming your figures are right (and, as they are backed up by no more than conjecture and a certain amount of will from you for them to be right so it makes you feel good about your pet 'crusade,' we can only assume) I can't say it's good, but I am still way more worried about the wider problems of the welfare state generations and a lazy good for nothing underclass of indigenous homegrown trash. Hope that clarifies it for you

does that include potato eating irish pikeys?

LOL, depends whether they work or not

I think everyone has some degree of responsibility for the way the country is, easy to blame immigrant, the government or whatever but I think human nature is part of it, here is my list,

Immigration, its true, too many people coming intot a small island, they dont all contribute, the systems cant cope, dont let any more in than you have to unless they have skills or can fund themselves. Letting people in with different values and letting them colonise an area.

Greed, not paying the right ammount of tax or avoiding it alltogether. Working and claiming.

Sloth, lurking round taking handouts and trying to fiddle more.

Greed as in substances, food, drugs, drink or whatever and the burden it places ont he rest of society.

Violence, usually down to drink

Ignorance, teenagers that say school is "boring", ffs, its YOU that is boring, dont make a career out of being dumb.

Destructive, breaking stuff for the sake of it, dropping litter, chewing gum dropped on the floor, just abusing your surroundings.

We live too long, all that effort keeping people alive when they are obviously knackered, just turn me off and spend the time on someone who isnt 85.

Expectations, everyone is waiting for the big break, X factor, lottery, football stardom, just get on with it and dont try to pretend you are anything else.

The Banks, lending money they didnt have to greed feckwitts, was never going to go well.

Never thinking you are doing anything wrong yourself.

See, cant pin it all on the Muslim community though I think they have several issues they need to answer for and are as bad as anyone else at exploting the system, probably actaully better at it.

500,000 at only £40.00 quid a week is 20million a week totally unafordable . as for the bit about not knowing where they come from why do you think the french advised them to burn thier passports in the camps at callais

Here's an interesting article.

I would imagine the immigrant grapevine and the camps around Calais are also a good source of information on what to do

So you feel that adding to the welfare state (potentially 135,000 from the Home Office just rubber stamping the illegal immigrants because of a backlog) is good and not an issue as well are are you going to tell me they all have jobs to go to.

You harp on about white trash, how about some of the notorious estates in London and other major cities - are they all white trash? your reverse racism is a little cynical and very short-sighted and one-sided don't you think? your little pet project it seems...

as i said (although you seem to choose to ignore it) two wrongs do not make a right and the home grown problems need dealing with, adding to problems is not the usual solution though is it...

oh look Tonys posted something with a muslim reference , well that is a surprise

I've just sat and read 4 pages of utter $hit.

Scoobynet has now been dragged down to gutter levels by two people who are either trolls or really do have social issues..

This place used to be great - do us a favour and please both **** off back to Socialist Worker and the BNP.

Thanks.

It's to counter F1's rhetoric about 'white trash' draining the welfare system.

Answer my question please TDW

Bollocks, my 'rhetoric' is to counter the likes of you constantly harping on abiut Muslim this and Muslim that. The mods are too dumb to do anything about it so it's time to give you a bit of your own medicine!

Even if that were true, (and I doubt it is) and ignoring the various reasons why that might be if it were, seeing as they only make up 2.9% of the UK population it's not hard to see that the drain on the welfare state from the homegrown population is far far greater.

You often do this for some reason Paul. That is not what I said is it?

i know I have called you on this before -- but you really really don't like "darkies" do you

PSML at the use of "Darkies" conjuring up...

Dem darkies got rhythm...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoYOraDt1_k