Osama Bin Laden is DEAD :)
02 May 2011, 01:01 PM
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Conspiracy theories start 
So they just got rid of him, like he never existed. Best way,
02 May 2011, 01:13 PM
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Very little will change IMO, you get rid of one extremist leader but their will be hundreds of extremist leaders waiting to take his place.
Its not a case of you get rid of Osama Bin Laden then you get rid of terrorism, he is or was just one extremist leader amongst many throughout history.
Its not a case of you get rid of Osama Bin Laden then you get rid of terrorism, he is or was just one extremist leader amongst many throughout history.
02 May 2011, 01:14 PM
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Am I the only one who thinks this whole bin laden thing is bull****?
How convenient that he was buried at sea, and they have no images of the body...
He blatantly died years ago or is not dead, looks like American propaganda to me...
How convenient that he was buried at sea, and they have no images of the body...
He blatantly died years ago or is not dead, looks like American propaganda to me...
02 May 2011, 01:17 PM
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02 May 2011, 01:32 PM
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the whole worlds screwed up, pointless wars and loss of life on both sides.. all for some resources or make believe gods! Don't know what to believe any more as most of its bull!
lets just hope we don't follow the Americans into Libya in the name of 'oil' oh my bad I mean 'peace'!!
02 May 2011, 01:48 PM
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I'm with you mate. See my above post.
02 May 2011, 02:31 PM
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Not catching a half aresed terrorist doesn't especially make America good or justify them being there. They'd say they caught him quickly and hope to meet other objectives there just as efficiently. Can't see them fibbing.
02 May 2011, 02:58 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if it one big bs to divert the media away from Libya, Syria, petrol prices ect I bet the next thing will be beef up the security more money from tax payers.
we wouldn't have this no terrorist threat if we didnt follow everything America do.
the uk has lost 1000s of soldiers just to kill one friggin man, think Bout that!!
we wouldn't have this no terrorist threat if we didnt follow everything America do.
the uk has lost 1000s of soldiers just to kill one friggin man, think Bout that!!
02 May 2011, 03:16 PM
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As a westerner not affiliated with any religion, I find rejoicing in the death of any individual distasteful. However, it's hard to feel any empathy for him or any of his extremist ilk and there is a sense of "well, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy" Although I'm sure it would have been more useful to have taken him alive (easier said than done though!).
This was important for the US as they had put him on a podium as "number one target" and in doing so had identified his capture/death as a big milestone for the war on Terror. The fact that he was eluding them was seen as a bit of a victory for the terrorists and made him a thorn in the US's side in terms of public opinion. Now they've got him, it'll be hailed as a big victory. Ultimately though, it's likely to be more of a symbolic victory than a military one; the need to remain hidden probably precluded him having the influence he would have held when not the worlds most wanted man. Be that as it may, it sends a message to terrorists that you can't hide forever and eventually you'll get found! That can't be a bad thing as at least they won't believe they can operate with impunity.
In the grand scheme of things of course this won't matter much: he'll be replaced (if he hasn't been already). revenge attacks will be planned - hopefully none of which will succeed. I'm sure that the fact that he is gone is cold comfort to anyone who lost a friend relative or loved one in 911 or in the subsequent wars.
The only way this will ever end is if the idea or allure of Islamic extremism can be undermined, otherwise the hatred and quest for revenge just gets passed down generations. You cant destroy an idea with any kind of bomb and an idea doesn't die with an individual. Something tells me that the countries and cultures in which these people live are the very individuals who should be making the biggest in roads into doing something effective in undermining fundamentalism and not just by launching military action against the current crop of extremists, but by providing an alternative for the future generations that doesn't involve them being indoctrinated into a cycle of hate and revenge from the cradle to the (early) grave.
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This was important for the US as they had put him on a podium as "number one target" and in doing so had identified his capture/death as a big milestone for the war on Terror. The fact that he was eluding them was seen as a bit of a victory for the terrorists and made him a thorn in the US's side in terms of public opinion. Now they've got him, it'll be hailed as a big victory. Ultimately though, it's likely to be more of a symbolic victory than a military one; the need to remain hidden probably precluded him having the influence he would have held when not the worlds most wanted man. Be that as it may, it sends a message to terrorists that you can't hide forever and eventually you'll get found! That can't be a bad thing as at least they won't believe they can operate with impunity.
In the grand scheme of things of course this won't matter much: he'll be replaced (if he hasn't been already). revenge attacks will be planned - hopefully none of which will succeed. I'm sure that the fact that he is gone is cold comfort to anyone who lost a friend relative or loved one in 911 or in the subsequent wars.
The only way this will ever end is if the idea or allure of Islamic extremism can be undermined, otherwise the hatred and quest for revenge just gets passed down generations. You cant destroy an idea with any kind of bomb and an idea doesn't die with an individual. Something tells me that the countries and cultures in which these people live are the very individuals who should be making the biggest in roads into doing something effective in undermining fundamentalism and not just by launching military action against the current crop of extremists, but by providing an alternative for the future generations that doesn't involve them being indoctrinated into a cycle of hate and revenge from the cradle to the (early) grave.
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02 May 2011, 03:21 PM
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Just because they say that is the reason they want to attack the West does not mean it is the reason.
02 May 2011, 03:43 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if it one big bs to divert the media away from Libya, Syria, petrol prices ect I bet the next thing will be beef up the security more money from tax payers.
we wouldn't have this no terrorist threat if we didnt follow everything America do.
the uk has lost 1000s of soldiers just to kill one friggin man, think Bout that!!
we wouldn't have this no terrorist threat if we didnt follow everything America do.
the uk has lost 1000s of soldiers just to kill one friggin man, think Bout that!!
Do you have any evidence that this is 'bs' or just being paranoid?
02 May 2011, 03:46 PM
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02 May 2011, 03:49 PM
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I don't know all the answers but I don't believe that a British Pakistani living in Luton blows himself up to protect his 'muslim brothers' in Iraq.
I think that may be his rationalization or the rationalization but it's driven by reasons beneath that ideological surface.
I think that may be his rationalization or the rationalization but it's driven by reasons beneath that ideological surface.
02 May 2011, 03:56 PM
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As a westerner not affiliated with any religion, I find rejoicing in the death of any individual distasteful
It won't change much, but there is such a thing as justice. If we say that we shouldn't be able to punish someone for a crime committed against us, then we're basically saying we don't have the full right to defend ourselves. Regardless of anything else, someone shouldn't be able to escape the consequences of doing something like that.
If there are further attacks now then they should face proportionate punishments too, regardless of how 'understandable' they might be, because the simple fact is that anyone committing an act like this is wrong in principle. Whether anything western governments have or have not done is also wrong in principle is an entirely separate question and completely irrelevant to the justice involved in punishing the criminal we're talking about in this thread.