Surely you want a challenge in your job, I know I do!!

There is a reason why Footballers (the best ones) want to play at the highest levels ... same with Teachers, the good ones want to push the boundaries - test themselves - test the children - test the system.

Those who don't want hassle Teach 4 year olds in a Cornish village where there are 8 children to a class and all they know about the world is that Cows supply the Milk and Mummy works at the big house on the hill where strange people come to stay for 2 weeks and then go home again

 

Just as you have done? Proved? I think not.

Spun, just like your hero used to do, before the country quite rightly kicked him into touch

 

I'm still waiting for you to disprove the facts ....... I take it you admit what I have said is true and that you are about to humbly apologise?

 

Nope.

YOU made the statement, YOU prove YOUR "facts".

You are guilty until proven innocent, at least as a motorist in Billy Liar's Britain, you are, so since HE was your hero, live by HIS rules.
Go ahead, prove your "facts"

 

Look for yourself, prove me wrong ... google is your friend - Type in Teachers Payscales 2010 and see for yourself. Then search for TLR Payments and read that.

When you have confirmed my statements you can pop back here and issue an apology to me

Trot along now ....

 

Pete,

You start on MPS1 not 3 as a rule (yes there are exceptions) - UPS is post threshold and therefore is an application/evidence based process - not all teachers pass. TLRs are not awarded for minor roles like the old management points were.

You are more than welcome to come and try to teach any of my classes - in fact I'll email you the 90 projects I've had to mark over the Easter period which take me (an experianced teacher/examiner) 45-60 minutes each to mark. In case your Maths is as weak as your logic that's around 80 to 90 hours - or over two weeks of full time work at the standard of 37.5 hours.

 

BlueBugEye ... thanks for your input, I do appreciate it.

M3 start was reasonably common when there were shortages ... Teachers are becoming plentiful right now, a feature of the profession attracting a lot of students due to the excellent pay and conditions - so a start on M3 may not now be as common as it was.

I would love to Teach ... the rewards are better than the rewards I get, seeing the kids develop is fantastic.

Could you confirm that your Directed Hours are 26 hours a week? And that you have 15% of those 26 hours set aside for marking and lesson preparation? And each Teacher gets 'free' lessons where they are not required to do anything in particular, how many do you get per week?

 

Enough Pete, what you are doing is telling lies. Spin by any other name is LIES Pete, it's time you stopped.

I know you are a decent bloke, this sort of $hit gets you no fans.

 

You keep saying it .... tell me where I am wrong - it's no good saying I am without proving that I am!!

You really need to put up, or shut up.

 

Contractual obligations are 1625 hrs directed time over 195 days of the year - 190 of these are 'contact days' with pupils. PPA time is infact 10% which is used for what it stands for, Planning, Preperation and Assessment.

Our school timetable means you have 25 lessons (1hour) in a week along with 5 mentoring periods (20 mins) you are also required to supervise pupils for 10 mins at start/end of each day plus break time (30mins). PPA time in our school is at 10% as directed therefore 5 periods over two weeks (fortnightly timetable).

 

Thanks for that - I knew I was right about the Directed time.

Do the Heads of House not Mentor? They receive a high TLR Payment to do just that kind of thing as I witness.

Do you have Vertical Tutoring in your school? It seems to be very successful despite certain concerns before implementation.

 

This is worth reading and digesting .....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13186184

It gives an example of what I witness of noses in the trough ....

 

Not complete proof, but I have many clients who are teachers. To date, only two from 30 are on 45k plus. One head teacher and one head of department. Plenty with 5-10 years experience in the 35-40k bracket, but only a few of them make it to the 'big money' jobs, and then maybe after 15+ years.

Although I still think they should be feeling some pain with the rest of us

 

Heads - in Secondary Schools - are on £100k+ .... most have other perks too, like cars.

Heads of Departments are on £50k.

Deputy Heads are on £75k and Assistant Heads on around £65k.

Highest paid Classroom Teachers are on around £45k.

 

Our Heads of houses are support staff therefore on around £25k they do not do mentoring all staff in the school can be mentors therefore the Bursar, Teaching assistants and Admin staff all have mentor groups. This is due to Vertical tutoring and reduced size mentor groups (approx 17-18). Vertical tutoring is good for the majority of the pupils however it makes some things more diffiicult for teaching staff and muddies the water with communication/disipline.

 

Not getting involved in your lies, so I'll shut up.

 

If that's as close to an apology as I'm going to get I suppose I'll have to accept it - I was expecting so much more .......... never mind, at least you will remain silent from now on

 

Interesting reference your Heads of House. My experience is that they are on UPS3 and a high TLR payment.

Support Staff on a headline rate of £25k are not, actually, earning that - as they get paid Teachers hours ..... which is 66% of a Full Time Council Employee.

Which makes the pay of Teaching Assistants around £8,000 a year - if the NUT should be shouting about anything then it should be this disgraceful remuneration ... of course, these lowly paid people are having their pensions attacked and amended. This is why I find it so annoying that the NUT takes such a militant stance, when their members are doing so well for themselves.

 

Liar!

 

This chump is obviously suffering from dementia. He keeps throwing up the same arguments time and again, mostly with the same thread titles. Boring.

 

You said you would shut up .......... did you LIE?

 

If that's what you truly believe then it's most strange that you not only read the thread, but chose to post on it too

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13116262

"Teaching assistant Teresa Taylor, aged 54, paid £113,000 in cash for a two-bedroom apartment in Ashford, Kent."

Made me think of this thread

 

Do you not think footballers are overpaid for the 'job' they do?

 

I think that PSL was or is a school governor which means he probably know the facts pretty well even if he is pretty scathing on teachers as indeed he has been on firemen too.

That may well be somewhat unfair, but he probably has a case for saying what he has done.

Les

 

No Les, he hates teachers, has shown it in the past, and is twisting and spinning some of the "facts" to make teachers look bad.

I am married to one. She goes out at 0730 every morning, I NEVER see her until 1830.
She comes in, makes a cuppa and sits down to answer e-mails, then it's back to working on documents etc. Finishes most nights at 2230 or so, sometimes later.

Works every weekend and takes the laptop away and works almost every day, every holiday.

By the end of every term she is stressed out beyond belief.

Yet he talks about directed hours, knowing, as he must, that the directed hours are a minimum legal limit and that there IS NO UPPER LIMIT! You simply have to fulfil your tasks as given to you by the head/governors/LEA, no matter how long it takes.

Know ANY other job with unlimited hours, anyone? For the same pay?

But of course, the liar and spin-doctor conveniently forgets that and other stuff. Spent too much time admiring his hero and watching HIM twist the truth

Bah, Humbug!

 

+1

As you have first hand experience and I happen to know your good lady, I'll personally go with your facts and not Pete's Zanussi 1400 spin dry

 

+2, well said alcazar I too am married to a teacher and know all too well the amount of hours put in outside of the 'directed hours'.
We all know by now Pete is only after a reaction and we only fuel his 'attention seeking' by replying

 

Seems that Teachers need some Time Management Training!!

Plenty of people work longer hours for far less and don't moan non stop about how hard done by they are!!

I am related to 4 Teachers and an Assistant Teacher ... it's my job to know what goes on.

26 Hours per week Directed Time is the fact - Teachers can even say they will not attend after school events like Prizegiving evening (when, to my mind, they should be there!).

Plenty spend their lunchtimes in the pub .... and drink wine in the Staffroom - there is no room in my world for alcohol within school, any school!!!

The Education System is locked way back in the 50's .... bad Teachers do not get sacked, they get promoted out of harms way!! They need a BIG dose of real life and a BIG dose of how the workplace operates these days!

Not saying some don't take some work home - but plenty other workers, on far poorer terms and conditions do too ..... without making a song and dance of it!

 

Directed time as I said is 1625 hours a year - not 26 a week therefore you can be directed to prizegivings, parents evenings meetings etc.