These people need a wake up call.

Fact is many would be unemployable in the private sector because they have no skills and are too old, they should be thankful to have a reasonably well paid job which does not have the same pressures and lack of security as the private sector.

The Gov really needs to get tough with these unions because they are basically bullies hurting the taxpayer. Not many unions in this day and age have this power.

 

Exactly - some. Just like some Subaru owners are chavs. Every profession has its bad eggs (which the papers use for the usual sensationalism) but I personally believe teachers have such a bum deal currently, not pay related - they know what they're going in for - but the lack of power or discipline over the little Jaydens and Levi's now infecting our Schools.

BTW I'm not a teacher but know a couple and they are dear friends so I have seen it from both sides of the coin

 

Not all jobs in the Private sector are clock on at 9 and clock off at 5, especially ones that have illusions of 'profession' and 'career'

 

That is true to an extend but how can you respect an authority figure who oozes such dummy spitting entitlement?

 

I'd happily see teachers paid everything Pete claims they are and more, if all the various rules were done away with that hamstring them from being able to effectively teach or discipline the kids in our schools.

 

Who said I respect said induvidual? I respect the teachers whom I've known for a while, even old teachers of mine - the majority being excellent at their jobs and just getting on with it.

If every single teacher was on the picket line then fair enough but it isn't

 

Well I think its a wonderful job, you get to take home £100,000+ each year, add to that the bonuses and when you stuff up and lose everyones money due to gross incompetence and greed the government step in and gives you a bail out at the expense of the tax payer, who then spend most of their time criticising and moaning about teachers, well the ignorant ones do anywa...

Oops, wrong thread!!

 

Take one.

 

Where??

 

I'm sure he married one?

 

It's obvious that Pissy is married to a teacher and doesn't believe a word of what he says. What's amusing is that some fools (otherwise known as Daily Mail readers) actually fall for his trolling and agree with him. How stupid do you look?

 

Now that is the first post from you that I agree with. 100%. Good rant, top marks I like it

 

I have done a lot of teaching myself.

They are pretty well paid and like the rest of us we have to expect that having had the apparent advantage of the gross overborrowing by his heroes and throwing our cash away by them as well as increasing the national debt to an unprecedented amount, we can only expect that we will all have to accept a drop in our living standards until our economy gets back on the rails.

A string of strikes etc will do the country very great harm. Where is the good in that especially if our economy goes down the tubes completely?

I do however want to see all the privileged classes taking a cut as well.

Les

 

Were you drinking when you posted this, or are you really 6 years old? Maybe your body is old, but your mentality is 6?.....


or maybe you are just not clever, hoping for a career featuring 'manual dexterity?'

 

The problem with teachers is that IMO there is two types.

The ones that give a **** and do the proper hours to help kids.

The ones that dont give a ****, make the kids copy from a book each lesson and simply cream the system.


When i was in school the majority were the latter, which is why i had such a low view of them, i spent most of my school days copying from fecking books, which is crap, taught me **** all, and generally made me think its a waste of time.

The missus tells me that in a few years she will be on 30k (45k would be nice Pete ) she is up now, sitting in the conservatory (7am on one of her apparent huge holidays) marking books.

30k is not even a decent sum IMO when she started out with about 20-25k of student debts her take home pay at the moment is £1200 a month, i take home more than that building the fecking car seats (and i`m on a gash temp wage, and still on a BR tax code )

IMHO the wage she gets, divided by the hours she actually works = utter **** pay, it works out no different from somebody in a low paid job belting out the overtime to top the hours up. I know she gets incremental pay increases to take her up to top wage, but then so do a lot of people, i get 5.25% every year for the next 5 years as part of my contract to boost me up to the top pay scale.

From what i have seen/heard so far, the head of year type jobs are a lot more cushy, and probably worth the cash.

Personally i think her job is underpaid for what it is, the figures look great on paper, but in reality they are crap.

The marketing blurb for the car wash i used to run said 30k OTE which i hit a few times, and started going over until the recession. But i was initially doing 60/70 hour weeks, with no holidays, never expected that when i started it

She will in a few years time after securing herself a higher position (she wants the head of year post) have a much better figure written down on paper for her pay, but divided by the hours she has worked, i suspect she would be better off getting a min wage job and whacking some overtime in (min wage will be about £7 in a few years time IMO)

 

Can't argue with them points Les, BUT as I said before just because there are some militant teacher types giving the Billy big *****, doesn't mean they're all like that. There will be and are many teachers simply knuckling down and getting on with their jobs but this doesn't sell papers.

 

But Micky she doesn't the know the difference between weight and mass!

 

Something you should think about when you think of teachers etc.
Parents should encourage the government to pay more to teachers not less!!!
Think of all the scum bag kids with knives etc running around now!! If an extra 5 or 6k a year makes a teacher care about their job enough to not turn a blind eye or ignore what's going on and that helps to keep my kid safe, then I'd certainly support teachers!

Let's give teachers 20k a year tops, they will loose interest in their jobs, they won't care if your kid is struggling to understand a subject, they will turn their backs when someone is kicking the **** out of your kid!!!!!

Cop on ffs...... Pay teachers what they are worth! They will then enjoy their work, spend the extra time to help your kid to understand the subjects they struggle with!!!

There's two different scenarios for ya! You choose which 1 you think is the way forward!!!!

I know which I would choose!!! I'll bensupporting teachers to keep their pay, but I guarantee here and now, 1 teacher goes on strike and puts my child at risk and I swear they will rethink their actions!!!

Teachers are like cops and clergy!!! It's a calling not a job! You are always working!!!!!

 

Let's get some real facts on the table ......

1. I believe that Teachers do a valuable job.

2. I think Teachers should be rewarded with good pay.

3. I think Teachers should stop moaning as they have a brilliant job.

4. I know Teachers are extremely well paid.

5. I know Teachers have to work 26 Directed Hours a week - for the 39 weeks a year they are at their place of work. Outside of these 26 hours they can tell the Head and Governors to get stuffed!!

6. I know that Teachers get paid extra allowances - called TLR payments, these can be up to £12,500 a year.

7. I know that these TLR payments, once awarded, cannot be removed from a Teacher for THREE years!! What other job do you know that pays you extra for doing something - then, when that extra something has been done, pays you the same extra amount for 3 more years!!?? This is OUTRAGEOUS!!! and should be stopped forthwith!

8. I know that it takes a Teachers between 7 and 10 years to reach the top of their payspine - this is £45,000 for London, for example. That is BASIC pay - the TLR payments are on top .... so, a Department Head (say, of Drama) with 2 staff will be on £45,000 + £12,500 TLR = £57,500. Not a bad crack at age 35 I'm sure most would agree?

9. I know that 'sickness' in the Teaching profession is rampant ... as it is in a lot of Public Jobs - but, they claim to be Professionals - it should not be as high as it is!!

10. I believe that they should swallow the harsh reality of reduced pensions just as the rest of us have to .... you are NOT a special case, you are handsomely rewarded with high pay and extremely generous holiday entitlements!

All I am asking is that you take a look in the mirror, look at your recent payslip, look at the parents of the children you are teaching who are struggling to fit in with your 3pm going home time, look at the pictures of your 12 weeks holidays, look at the rewards you get seeing children develop into young adults ....... and, for heavens sake, STOP talking about Strike Action!!!!!!!

And, yes, I am related to many Teachers .... I see it from ALL sides, and therefore there is wisdom in my words of peace!

 

Its becoming clear now. Did you write like that in you exams? You are one of those kids that got all Fs and Gs, have a chip on your shoulder and have been blaming teachers ever since, aren't you.

 

In YOU exams??

What the hell kind of English is THAT!?

Dear God .... you got a U for Ungraded, didn't you?

 

Its becoming clear now. Did you write like that in your exams? You are one of those kids that got all Fs and Gs, have a chip on your shoulder and have been blaming teachers ever since, aren't you.

Happy now?

 

Another epic fail! You stand out to be a person who hasn't got a clue but likes to post drivel.

You would have to have been teaching 11 years to go into UPS3! Make sure you do your research before posting!

 

Oh yes I agree absolutely, but I meant that the militants cannot genuinely justify striking which will most likely be for political reasons anyway, when the economy is in its present state and others are taking the hit because of that as well.

Everyone knows that PSL and I rarely agree on political matters, but if he or anyone for that matter makes a statement that I agree with then I will say so. I certainly would not debase myself to run him down whatever he says purely on principle because of his posting style or his political beliefs, as unfortunate as they may be!

Les

 

Let's take the case of a Teacher starting on M3, £29,900 ..... a year later they move to M4 - absolutely NOTHING stops this movement up the M payscales - even if the Teacher is useless, that's £31,446.

A Year later and they are on M5, £33,865 - then M6, £36,387.

Therefore, to go from £29,900 to £36,387 has taken 3 years .... a hike of £6,487 - or a 22% Payrise within 3 years (7%+ a year!!)

Let's not forget, of course, that this same Teacher has had an Annual Payrise in ADDITION to those figures above. Something the NUT remains rather quiet about, strange that!?

Then come the UPS Increments - OK, these take 2 years each ..... so we move to UPS1, £41,497 - that's in year 5.

Of course, the UPS2 comes around 2 years later .... like the UPS1, this is an automatic movement pretty much, UPS2 is £43,536.

UPS3 is a little more challenging for Teachers, as they are judged whether they are actually good at what they do ...... one would hope that not many fail - so, it essence, it's pretty automatic again.

UPS3 is £45,000 ... and this has been achieved in 9 years - as the facts prove.

Of course, this still isn't good enough for the NUT They want retirement at 50, on 2/3rds pay, and a big fat lump sum courtesy of Joe Public who is funding the massive annual increments and suffering reduced Pensions and payrises.

Do Teachers realise that they one of the last professions who expect, and are granted, annual increments in ADDITION to their annual payrises??

It's time the gravy train hit the buffers I'm afraid, the party is over, the public doesn't think it's fair anymore and they don't want you striking on the few weeks you are actually supposed to be at your place of work!!

 

Bullsh*t Pete, just bullsh*t.

 

They are the facts ......

 

Nope, just deluded/spun bullsh*t.

YOU know it, most of the others know it, so stop the rubbish, eh? It's just making you look daft to the educated classes and rabble rousing the Daily Fail readers.

 

You can always present the facts as YOU see them .......... the above can be proved beyond all doubt.

Just because you don't like them doesn't make them any less true and factual ....

 

Perhaps some of us should go and spend a couple of weeks trying to teach a bunch of inner city teenagers?

Infants if I ever go teaching.