That is complete tosh corradoboy. You are a Burk of the highest order.

 

Given the tiny percentage of road users that are cyclists, they make a lot of noise, and cause a lot of trouble whilst they break laws, antagonise others, and generally cause a nuisance whilst they have their 'fun'. Cycling IS dangerous ! Just like driving is, as is walking. As for paying for straying from the norm, well car drivers insurance companies are often faced with medical and legal bills, even charges for ambulance attendance, so why not you lot ? You refer to pedestrians, but many of them are either as arrogant or as stupid as many cyclists. Over 90% of KSI incidents involving pedestrians and motor vehicles are within 100m of a pedestrian crossing, but NOT ON IT ! I see that daily, often within 4-5m of the crossing as it is just too far ±80% are proven to show the pedestrian stepping out into the path of moving vehicles, rising to ±90% after pub closing time. Again, we see many measures put in place to control the behaviour of drivers, but not pedestrians, and it is quite obvious that the problem lies with those on foot. We could both quote statistics until the cows come home, and I doubt we will ever reach an accord, but the basic fact is that people are reckless, arrogant and stupid, whether behind the wheel of a car, atop a bicycle or on foot. It just seems that those in cars with their convenient insurance policies, endorsable licenses, and easy identification, always seem to be the ones with yet more rules, regulations, laws, penalties and restrictions placed on them, when others seem to be able to carelessly do as they please whilst WE look out for them. If you decide to jump off a cliff, don't expect me to rush to the bottom and lay a bed of fluffy pillows for you to land on, and I won't be paying for your funeral either !

 

Why, because I am asking that people obey the law, respect others and take responsibility for their own actions ?

 

So what you are saying is, if the ride single file then you can overtake them when it's not safe

How dare they slow you down!

 

Troll.

 

+1 with those sentiments

 

WTF you on about? It was a perfectly sensible and valid answer to your question. Both scenarios would involve aggression, simple.

There needs to be a name for those who use the word 'troll' because they are incapable of discussion. Oh hang on, I've got one.

7 Foot, that's it.

 

Kieran, it shouldn't be but if you honestly believe that cycling on our roads isn't dangerous then I'm surprised.

 

A short, bald man driving a BMW - clearly he has issues, probably impotent too.

 

Yes, and then confronting someone who was dressed by his Mother on the day prior to her specsaver appointment is a recipe for disaster.

 

That's because you rely on anecdotal evidence and not cold, hard facts. You imagine it to be dangerous, so to you it is.

I cycle almost daily and VERY rarely have any kind of issue. I feel perfectly safe, as do many, many other cyclists.

The fact is: the more cyclists on the roads, the safer it is for cyclists. (Holland before you ask, or Australia for the converse)

 

Facts determine events reported but of course there is no disputing that. There are no facts for the close misses or the blind ignorant near misses.

If you do actually feel safe on our roads then good for you but I'd rather skateboard the Nurburgring on a busy day.

More cyclists on our roads isn't something to look forward to either.

 

I'm curious to know how often you DO cycle on the roads?

 

Cycle sales and clubs are booming

 

Yeah, he's even joining me up

 

Don't be, it'll serve no purpose.

 

You're meant to be looking after him not encouraging him, or even allowing him to become a bike warrior overnight.

 

I too cycle a lot each week and throughout the yr. I can't speak for the london trend of pavement cycling and jumping red lights.

thats not on.

However I do agree its up to me as a cyclist to make sure I'm reasonable visible and lit up. I do agree I should stop at red lights etc.

cycle lights are so good now, the decent front ones- esp on flash mode, do make motorists spot you.

I don't have anytime for any one who flauts the highway code.

this two abreast thing is also stupid, quite honestly I think a lot of cyclists put themselves at risk by doing it. roads are only so wide and I think its dangerous to force cars to cross over the dividing line.

Look at it this way, if more of us cycled, it would ease traffic congestion.

there are good and bad in all users of transport- thats the simple problem.

however if you do cut me up on the road in yr little tin box and bring me closer to my maker, I will come after you and remonstrate with you.

trust me, as a fit cyclist- and not a fat bloke in a cage on wheels- I'm a lot harder than you.

I've reported two road rage incidents to the police in the last 12 mths of scum in cars thinking its funny to goad a cyclist.


having said that over the yrs, I've booted a couple of wing mirrors off, punched a drivers window through and thrown my entire bike at a discovery drivers windscreen who nearly killed me.

that f+++ed his bonnet and windscreen. friggin ghey boy.

 

If you're designated a speshial field somewhere out the way then good news.

 

What an idiotic thing to say Kieren! why do all you green freaks and do-gooders always bring health benefits and health care into the equation? Why should there be a massive increase in health care just because a few people and it really is a few people stop cycling? Also no one is asking them to stop, Just to be a bit more considerate.

Maybe as Corradoboy says if these 2 wheeled terrorists had to do a riding test and have insurance like every other wheeled vehicle on the road then maybe they would be a bit more considerate and get a bit more respect from car drivers who do get 4rse raped to use the roads.

 

No because you come out with this nonsense:

Right and that doesn't apply to pedestrians or motorists?

...and what percentage of those statistics were caused by the failings of the Cyclists themselves? Not that many I bet.

As an experience cyclist myself I have been involved in a couple of collisions but several near misses. The scenario which was typical of near-misses was down quiet b-roads where a motorist would roar past with sometimes literally an inch or two of room.

The problem is many motorist have no empathy to cyclists, so they don't put themselves in the mind of cyclists either anticipating what they are going to do or giving them sufficient space.

Another one is failing to check the offside mirror when turning left, happens all the time.

A car can be used as a deadly weapon, but a push bike? Clearly this implies that the level of responsibility is not the same.

Sure, blame the victim, you'll be saying that women who choose to wear short skirts on a night out are to blame for being raped next. If only they took responsibility for wearing a short skirt!

 

http://www.cycle-helmets.com/helmet-health.html
http://www.8-80cities.org/Articles/W...ty%20Rates.pdf
http://www.burstbug.org.au/obesity.html
http://camwest.pps.com.au/news/child_obesity.shtml
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/...e-obesity.html

I could go on, and on - it isn't a few, and I wasn't referring to being asked to stop, but his assertion that there should be licences and insurance, yada yada - the examples clearly show what happens when legislation gets in the way of cycling. Sorry, but you are wrong. Very wrong.

You also seem to forget that cyclists can own cars as well, one does not preclude the other. So why is the comment about car drivers being 4rse raped relevant? Besides which, roads are maintained out of general taxation, and as cycle commuters are by definition: commuting (to a job) they pay taxes, so contribute to road maintenance.

Then there's VED - the cost is based upon CO2 emissions. So low emission cars don't pay anything - do these need to pull over to let bigger cars past? (reductio ad absurdum) Do they have less right to be on the road?

 

What in case a really fast cyclist comes around the front of the vehicle and beats the driver to the left turn?

 

Yes because they are a menace!!!

Same as horses !!

 

Two examples spring to mind:

A left hook. Car 'overtakes' a cyclist misjudges the speed of him and turns left immediately afterwards

Cyclist legally filtering on the inside of traffic and the car does not check:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_070309 rule 151

 

What, the offside mirror?

 

Why?

Why should a cyclist not get some room? It's this atitude that makes cyclist feel safer riding 2 a breast.

Take a look at the pic I took from the highway code.

 

Which as you know full well is achievable in a tiny amount of overtakes.

 

If a cyclist is coming up the middle of traffic and doesn't pay attention to cars turning into side roads then they deserve to get squashed. So now the car drive has to wait until the selfish cyclist passes him before he is allowed to turn. Wake up Kieran. The cyclist should be charged with riding without due care and attention aswell as being inconsiderate to other road users.

 

You've forgotten the offence of dressing like a cóck too.