Welsh or English?
04 March 2011, 04:02 PM
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OK, I agree that you can say you're English, but you're not officially English, you are British. We can all say we're from wherever, and I would say I am English, but my nationality is British as that's officially what I am.
Look at my wording!
Look at my wording!
04 March 2011, 04:08 PM
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But Britain IS NOT A NATION it is a collection of countries on the same land mass. It is like saying your are not Kenyan you are African just because you are from the same land mass.
04 March 2011, 04:13 PM
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Wurzel, you need to write to your MP or someone who cares, but even so, I don't think they're going change this one I'm afraid. It doesn't matter, an American is still an American even if he comes from California or New York.
04 March 2011, 04:19 PM
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Think they were individual at some point. Yugoslavia was the same though, people were Yugoslavian, not Slovenian, Croatian etc. until they split up. I'm sure there are other examples....
04 March 2011, 04:24 PM
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Again true about Yugoslavia but now they are seperate countries.
So what happens when the Jocks and paddies get de-evolved and have their own parliaments? Oh hang on they already do! They also want independence, so they get their wish and become indipendent do they suddenly become Scottish and Irish (which they already are) and we are left in limbo as we have no Official nationality?
Anyway I am going home now so ciao
So what happens when the Jocks and paddies get de-evolved and have their own parliaments? Oh hang on they already do! They also want independence, so they get their wish and become indipendent do they suddenly become Scottish and Irish (which they already are) and we are left in limbo as we have no Official nationality?
Anyway I am going home now so ciao
04 March 2011, 04:27 PM
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This is the official line. English, Welsh, Scottish & Irish (Ulter) are meaningless in any official capacity except for stuff like football, rugby etc.
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04 March 2011, 04:34 PM
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Wales is not a Principality. Although we are joined with England by land, and we are part of Great Britain, Wales is a country in it's own right.
On 18 September 1997, we voted in favour of devolution in Wales. Before that, we were run entirely by the UK government in London. We were then given the powers we need to make secondary laws that affect us by an act called the Government of Wales Act 1998.
In 2006, we expanded on this act and have gained more powers for our country with the Government of Wales Act 2006. Our government's document 'One Wales' refers to us as a country or nation in it's own right.
On 18 September 1997, we voted in favour of devolution in Wales. Before that, we were run entirely by the UK government in London. We were then given the powers we need to make secondary laws that affect us by an act called the Government of Wales Act 1998.
In 2006, we expanded on this act and have gained more powers for our country with the Government of Wales Act 2006. Our government's document 'One Wales' refers to us as a country or nation in it's own right.
Oh and I'm English born but live in Wales, best of both worlds
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04 March 2011, 06:25 PM
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Apparently you are not
For the simple reason that we are an island mass made up of 2 seperate countries as Wales is not a country it is a principality of England.
Therefore as a country we have a nationality and that nationality is English.
Britain is a collection of Countries, England, and Scotland, Wales is still a principality so doesn't count as a country but still has a nationality.
Then we have the United Kingdom which incorperates The island of England and Scotland aswell as the island of Ireland which in itself is 2 seperate nations but for argument sake we will call them all Irish, and a few sundry other islands dotted round the place. We are not British unless you want to be for ease and being ashamed to say you are English, bearing in mind you are from Northampton I can understand why
I am English, I was born in England, my nationality is English, not Scottish, Irish, Welsh or British.
For the simple reason that we are an island mass made up of 2 seperate countries as Wales is not a country it is a principality of England.
Therefore as a country we have a nationality and that nationality is English.
Britain is a collection of Countries, England, and Scotland, Wales is still a principality so doesn't count as a country but still has a nationality.
Then we have the United Kingdom which incorperates The island of England and Scotland aswell as the island of Ireland which in itself is 2 seperate nations but for argument sake we will call them all Irish, and a few sundry other islands dotted round the place. We are not British unless you want to be for ease and being ashamed to say you are English, bearing in mind you are from Northampton I can understand why
I am English, I was born in England, my nationality is English, not Scottish, Irish, Welsh or British.
04 March 2011, 06:35 PM
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Right, my mate`s Dad is English and his Mum is Welsh. He was born and lives in Chirk in North Wales. He says he`s English because his Dad is and he can choose. What is his true nationality?
My girlfriend said if a British couple give birth to a child in Japan, it doesn`t make them Japanese does it!!!
What do you peeps reckon?
My girlfriend said if a British couple give birth to a child in Japan, it doesn`t make them Japanese does it!!!
What do you peeps reckon?
I am in his situation, born in Wales, not too far from Chirk. Welsh mum, English dad, but I would never consider myself english.
04 March 2011, 07:31 PM
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Quoted from the official Wales site
WALES/CYMRU
Oh and I'm English born but live in Wales, best of both worlds
WALES/CYMRU
Oh and I'm English born but live in Wales, best of both worlds
Is Wales recognised by the UN? Can you apply for Welsh citizenship? I think not.......
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04 March 2011, 09:20 PM
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Any Welsh persons passport will state the nationality as British, as would any English or Scottish person....... so that doesn't really prove anything now does it?
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04 March 2011, 11:17 PM
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But the original question asked what nationality he would be and he would be British whether born and raised in England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. Nationality is an official thing, affinity to a certain country is different!
05 March 2011, 12:03 AM
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on this "nationality" milarky, I often thought why Irish would rather call themselves Irish, not British. Welsh also hate being called anything but Welsh, Scottish like to be called just scottish, not British. In fact, their official and collective nationality is British whether they like it or not. In another fact, they can just about digest being called British <tilts upside down palm to both sides>, if they have to. But if you referred any Welsh, Irish or Scottish as English by mistake or by ignorance, consider yourself dead. 
What's all that about in current century, then?
What's all that about in current century, then?
05 March 2011, 12:31 AM
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The word "its" does not take an apostrophe.
05 March 2011, 10:49 AM
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05 March 2011, 10:50 AM
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If I'd been any good my situation was the opposite, born in England to an English lineage but moved to Wales at aged 3 and was schooled and lived there until I was 25.
Right, my mate`s Dad is English and his Mum is Welsh. He was born and lives in Chirk in North Wales. He says he`s English because his Dad is and he can choose. What is his true nationality?
My girlfriend said if a British couple give birth to a child in Japan, it doesn`t make them Japanese does it!!!
What do you peeps reckon?
My girlfriend said if a British couple give birth to a child in Japan, it doesn`t make them Japanese does it!!!
What do you peeps reckon?
For what its worth I count myself as from Wales but support England. I'm really confused
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05 March 2011, 11:56 AM
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My Dads Welsh and Mums English and i was born in Cirencester Glos, my surname is Welsh (my user name in reverse). I'm quite proud of my Welsh heritage to be honest, allthough my three boys are allways saying they hate there surname.
05 March 2011, 01:08 PM
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But on a different note isn't it good to have an interesting debate on SN where no one has slagged anyone off, insulted anyone or mention the Asian members of a certain religion