jonc

There are around 7 million public sector workers, many of whom are enjoying a career ride and who's pay and final salary pensions are funded by private sector taxpayers to the tune of £168bn (figure for 2009), representing 40% of government's spending. Many are overpaid, unproductive and over rewarded. The bureaucratic waste that goes on in the public sector is a huge drain on the economy.

Lee247

Couldn't agree more

pslewis

No-one has any right to see a private companies wage structure ... Council is different as WE pay their wages.

At the end of the day - everyone has a right to demand what they like in exchange for their services, someone at my place of work gets paid £1,500 a day - he asks for it, he gets it ...... can't hold that against him, can you now?

But £58,000 is too low a level - who cares, most people get that - or much more .... set it at £150,000.

tony de wonderful

That is nonsense, the banker is not contributing any wealth to the economy. He is not producing a surplus for the state to appropriate, just paper money only.

If the whole private sector was banking what would the public sector workers eat?

tony de wonderful

Give it a rest mate. Most people do NOT earn £58k or more.

jonc

Some of the poorest councils in London pay their executives more than twice as much as what the PM is paid. Chief executive of Newham - £281,000, Lambeth - £270,000, Waltham - £257,000, Islington - £223,000, Wandsworth - £355,000, Haringey - £280,000. These pay levels are by no means unique to London. Each year we get a hike in council tax and each year we get less service.

tony de wonderful

Pay like that becomes self-justifying in the end...a vicious circle.

We need someone like Thatcher to go and crack some heads.

pslewis

Let me ask you something ..... "Would you take £250,000 a year if offered to you"?

Of course you would - we all would - some of us do!

I suspect that a lot of this is pure jealousy - why not get out there and get some of the action .... spend your energy joining the club!!

scud8

iTrader: (1)

My job title is published, with my name and photo (ask me nicely and I'll tell you where ).

My point was that councils ran services well enough ten years ago before this bloat in middle management, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to ask what all these extra well paid managers are responsible for.

The Sainsburys or bank analogy doesn't hold water, as you have a choice - if you don't like their prices shop at Asda or Lidl, or bank with someone else. You don't have a choice in whether or not you pay council tax, so it is not unreasonable to have some other means of judging whether what you are paying is being well spent.

I don't think it is necessary to publish names, just job descriptions and approximate salary. I suspect what will happen is that, in the cold light of day and voter scrutiny, councils will decide that some of these management positions are not required after all, and find that they can avoid cutting front-line services as much as they thought that had to by cutting out some of these layers instead.

jonc

Yes, of course if presented with a cushy job that pays £250k pa, you'd be mad to refuse it. However, the point being argued is not a question of jealousy but whether this level of pay is justified.

Lee247

I don't
I am self employed, look after 9 companies and work 6 days a week. I would love to earn 58k.

f1_fan

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The very LAST thing we need is someone like Thatcher FFS!!! We didn't need her the first time round come to think of it.

Adrian F

the point being that the boundary between private company and public isn't clear cut anymore your justification for publishing all these detail is that they are paid through taxation but so are lots of private company jobs because the public sector has out sourced lots of jobs but the wages are still funded out of taxation.

It makes me laugh with all these claims of over manning obviously not many of you work in the public sector or are involved in any way, like all companies there will be people who are not the most productive but there are a lot of people who work very hard for salaries that are below what people recruited 3 years ago in the private sector are still earning.

the biggest reason for the growth in the public sector was the last governments love of adding work to the public sector e.g. the increase in lots of jobs providing things like 5 a day advice more staff normally means more managers.

There are large scale job cuts going through at the moment so in 3 years time there will be a reduced amount of people working in the public sector.

Leslie

Alright for you to swank about your salary by implication. £58K is a significant salary especially when there is a pile of people being paid that much out of our taxes purely for your heroes to artificially reduce the unemployment total and buy votes!

Les

jonc

A bit hypocritical of you when you berate those who have got out there and are getting the some of the action working for banks!