J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

I love it, TDW taking Islam's stance on Homesexuality to task, I would have thought your views were similar to Hardline Islam based on what you have said on threads about Gays ?

AsifScoob

I don't know what demagogue means and I don't look things up, I either know it, or I don't.

I still think he is playing to the gallery, bit like PSL does on here.

AsifScoob

That did occurr to me on a previous post. Reactionarism is the same wherever IMO.

But, the lad appears to want to reform his character, who am I to stop that?

SJ_Skyline

Tony, when one is in a hole it is best advised to stop digging.

hth

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

Well Asif, I must admit I'm truly impressed. How do you manage to pull off a side-step that wide without doing the splits?

AsifScoob

LOL Mark, thank you. Most kind. I have lot's of people around me here that I do my best to emulate.

I do think that your criticism is a little unwarranted, as I am very good at answering peoples' questions compared to how much sidestepping people do to me. Ho hum.

Now, please remind me. What is it that I HAVE to answer for you?

If you ask nicely, you at least deserve an answer.

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I want nothing more than to know the secret of your astonishing gymnastic prowess.

Haha, seriously then, our little discussion began when I contradicted your claim that although very strict religious-based laws exist in places like Saudi, they're almost never acted on (even in places like Saudi). I would like to know whether, in the light of plentiful evidence on the subject proving that they're acted on rather frequently, you're still of the same opinion.

AsifScoob

As far as Gymnasticness is concerned, please see the master, TDW. I am merely in his shadow in that regard, the man is a legend in the 'Side Stepping World'.

On your point, I don't deny that it goes on at all, a friend has literally just posted a piece on FB about a 14 year old girl in Bangladesh being murdered for a crime as decreed by an Islamic court in Bangladesh. Interesting though that the govt. there has banned such courts. It is truly revolting and the perpetrators will be charged with murder.

I have just questioned the widespread use of such things, as some people, you included I think, seem to think goes on all day, every day.

Perhaps it is just that your 'frequently' is my 'infrequently'?

I had a quick look at the figures, and it did look infrequent to me.

Now what possible correlation would you like to make please? Also, as I stated in a previous post to you, what impact does that have on us here, you and me, sitting at our PC's? I say none.

Asif

markjmd

iTrader: (11)

I would really like to know which figures it is you're talking about here, but in any case even a few dozen people flogged and imprisoned a year (a very conservative estimate for the amount of people actually prosecuted for religious 'offenses' and on the receiving end of such punishments in Saudi and other hard-line Islamic states around the world) would be a very much bigger scale than your original "handful in all of recorded history".


I don't remember ever asking for a correlation, but if you want to know why I think it's relevant to point out what goes on in places like that, the answer's pretty simple. Firstly, it demonstrates in very vivid terms why we shouldn't become complacent about religious zealots getting a foothold in deciding how our judicial system works. Secondly, that it happens to be overwhelmingly Islamic countries that seem to have that propensity at this point in time might eventually be proven by history to be of very little significance, but in the here in now it's a fact that's rather difficult to overlook.

Bubba po

Why don't you look it up, Asif? There's no kudos in deliberately remaining ignorant, you know. People who refuse to get educated make the little baby Jesus cry.

Leslie

I was looking a lot further ahead.

I have not had a favourite prime minister for a very long time.

Les

GlesgaKiss

Cameron is just saying all this to snuggle up with his buddies in Germany. He's only repeating what Angela Merkel said.

Multiculturalism was doomed from the start... it doesn't even exist. What is 'multiculturalism'? Different countries can get on with each other in the world, that's fine, but within a country is a system of laws and ways of doing things; you can't have more than one of those in the same country, it would just be anarchy. Nor do we want any of the rest - particularly from the east! Fashion is fine - the element of culture you can appreciate and enjoy together in any country - but laws and processes are different, they can't be mixed, and I'm pretty sure they come under what could be referred to as 'culture'.

I see everyone (human beings) as equal, but I definitely don't want any system to creep in that is less liberal than what we have now. And that is not American liberal I'm talking about!

GlesgaKiss

By the way, I reckon the biggest threat to our system comes not from Islam but from Europe.

The Zohan

+1

f1_fan

iTrader: (9)

Agreed

However there's a couple of people on here that are so not going to like that statement as it doesn't fit with their agenda.

Leslie

I agree. That first and then the rest of our problems will become magnified.

Les

AsifScoob

AsifScoob

I am sorry Les, I should have put a by the favourite PM comment, given your well publicised feelings on Tony Blair.

Who knows what will happen in future mate. Personally, if the UK was going to become an Islamic state, or anything close to that, it would have done long ago.

I don't see it happening in future.

Cheers

Asif

AsifScoob

Sorry Mark, as I said, only had a quick look, but by the sound of it, I think I got the jist.

Saudi is still such a new country, IMO it is not even a proper country and was not created how 'normal' countries are created.

Their Laws, Judiciary, institutions are not 'real' in my eyes, just sort of made up and artificial. That is one reason they do strange things.

Using them as the standard is somehow skewing things IMO. But we don't complain because they love to buy our guns and tanks, and gratefully receive the prostitutes we buy for them as a thank you!


I don't disagree with any of this, but please refer to my other comments as to why I feel it is important to get this into perspective.

I just don't think it is as big a deal as some would have you believe.

Now, I hope I do not appear to be side stepping, but I honestly think that. If the UK becomes an Islamic state in our lifetime, not only will I leave here first, I promise to pay for you to leave too, go and live anywhere you want, on me.

Does this answer your question please?

Thanks.

Asif

AsifScoob

Les,

You seem all depressed about this. I am sorry of that is the case. Come on, not like you to be like that.

Asif

AsifScoob

They certainly have a distinct impact on how we do things. Much more sovereignty seems to have been 'handed over', in a real way.

I am hovering between Euro Scepticism and outright dislike.

I hate the CAP, the beaurocracy, the EU Commission, the unaccountability, the CAP, the reduction in sovereignty, the lack of a Referendum, French farmers, the CAP, the waste of money, did I mention the CAP?

However, if we had been more 'in' Europe, say in 2003, would we have been 'allowed' to go to war in Iraq? I think the French and Germans would have stopped us. Even at the time I was one of seemingly only a few people to say it was wrong. It might have proved to have been a blessing in disguise if they had?

Asif

AsifScoob

Anyway, out celebrating tonight.

Have a date with a several Bloddy Mary's!

andythejock01wrx

Yuk! That's awful stuff! Rioja or Deuchars India Pale Ale for me!

madscoob

iTrader: (3)

very good point most of the illegal immigrants come here via europe . in fact i heard french border police even help the old and imfirm ones onto the lorries give then pillows and duvets to help them on thier way

tony de wonderful

So before Saudi was created as a state you have a progressive utopia in the Arabian peninsula?

AsifScoob

LOL! You are far too sophisticated for me! I am aiming to make the perfect BM. I keep failing, but it is damn good fun.

TBH I drink anything! Including a nice Rioja. Just took delivery of a case of Vintage Moet, but I just use that as gift material.

Prefer a Dom P or a Cuvee Louise for proper celebrating.

But, as I said, I am NOT sophisticated. Just found a Jacobs Creek Fizzy Red, which goes down like Coke! LOL!

I do have quite a few single malts and various blends in my possession. I don't hurry those.

Hmm, this thread has just improved somewhat!

AsifScoob

COME OFF IT TONE!!!

We have helped to create potentially the biggest Monster in the World and you're trying to tell me it is a good thing???

OH PLEASE!?

andythejock01wrx

Must confess I have at least 20 bottles of wine in the house (but I'm not a wino, honestly! Took advatage of the discounted prices in the supermarket

They include Gigondas, St Emillion, Chateau Neuf de Pap, (desolate le mal Francois!) Moet, various riojas and quite a few cheapies too! Hic!

I like Aloxe Carton but cant's afford it!

AsifScoob

Hmm, didn't really like the CdeP.

Like the Poilly Fume, Laurent Perrier, Campo Viejo, Fire Gully (WA), Oyster Bay, Cloudy Bay.

Did I mention Bloody Marys and Whiskey???

tony de wonderful

This is a dreadful polemic playing the race card. I think it is indicative of the irreconcilable POV's in this country.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...d-2206381.html