Finally - Cameron attacks 'state multiculturalism'
05 February 2011, 01:05 PM
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Yes it's great to be under the guidance of our second unelected PM 
What his speech fails to do is tell us how he intends to change anything. It is easy to criticise (as you constantly prove with most of your posts on this subject
) yet very hard to actually do something.
Like all current politicians Cameron is full of hot air and little action. It appeases the likes of you and GC8WRX by making you feel your viewpoint is being noticed, yet it is not being addressed of course as that is too hard.
What his speech fails to do is tell us how he intends to change anything. It is easy to criticise (as you constantly prove with most of your posts on this subject
) yet very hard to actually do something.Like all current politicians Cameron is full of hot air and little action. It appeases the likes of you and GC8WRX by making you feel your viewpoint is being noticed, yet it is not being addressed of course as that is too hard.
and as for 'it is easy to criticise' - glass house and masturbation again in your case i think
And yet again you resort to belittling people who dare to disagree with your viewpoint which really is a pathetic way to hold any discussion and helps no one. Feeling passionate about a subject is just fine but remember that this is just written communication - perhaps like Camoron, you/me/us/them need to choose our words carefully?!?IMHO your arguments seem to base themselves that you are always right and everyone else is wrong and therefore not as well informed as yourself. Take a step back once in a while and look inwards and how you may appear and appear to others and do not just dismiss those who you feel beneath you
That's constructive criticism BTW and nothing wrong with constructive criticism which is the approach i have take ALL the way through this thread!The proof will be in the pudding and i imagine a lot of people will be watching Cameron and his government to see what action (if any) is taken.
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05 February 2011, 01:15 PM
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and as for 'it is easy to criticise' - glass house and masturbation again in your case i think And yet again you resort to belittling people who dare to disagree with your viewpoint which really is a pathetic way to hold any discussion
your arguments seem to base themselves that you are always right and everyone else is wrong and therefore not as well informed as yourself. Take a step back once in a while and look inwards and how you may appear and appear to others and do not just dismiss those who you feel beneath you That's constructive criticism BTW and nothing wrong with constructive criticism which is the approach i have take ALL the way through this thread!
The proof will be in the pudding and i imagine a lot of people will be watching Cameron and his government to see what action (if any) is taken.
And yet again you resort to belittling people who dare to disagree with your viewpoint which really is a pathetic way to hold any discussionyour arguments seem to base themselves that you are always right and everyone else is wrong and therefore not as well informed as yourself. Take a step back once in a while and look inwards and how you may appear and appear to others and do not just dismiss those who you feel beneath you
That's constructive criticism BTW and nothing wrong with constructive criticism which is the approach i have take ALL the way through this thread!The proof will be in the pudding and i imagine a lot of people will be watching Cameron and his government to see what action (if any) is taken.
As for Cameron you will be watching for a bloody long time before anything changes. That I promise you. Talk is cheap!! Politicians are all the same these days... soundbites and empty promises are their specialities!! Actions are a last resort!
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05 February 2011, 01:16 PM
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that we can agree on!
you snobbish assclown
05 February 2011, 02:29 PM
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Whatever you think Camoron is the PM of this country and does have some powers (assuming Brussels let him) He is now talking about change and changing Labours disastrous experiment/attempt at Multiculturalism. This country has problems other than debt and must not just focus on one thing at a time. Can you really argue with the bones of what he says and do you think integration and multiculturalism is a roaring and complete success???
It will be good to see it tackled and sorted out.
It will be good to see it tackled and sorted out.
05 February 2011, 02:33 PM
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But that is exactly what it became almost from the second or third post! I'm sick of it. No sensible person here on SN thinks it is great, there are loads of problems to be resolved in this country and these same old threads keep popping up.
YOU of all people should know better and frankly you should be dealing more with the racist diatribe of some, as you started the thread.
Otherwise your thread will go horrendously off topic I fear.
05 February 2011, 02:37 PM
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But that is exactly what it became almost from the second or third post! I'm sick of it. No sensible person here on SN thinks it is great, there are loads of problems to be resolved in this country and these same old threads keep popping up.
YOU of all people should know better and frankly you should be dealing more with the racist diatribe of some, as you started the thread.
Otherwise your thread will go horrendously off topic I fear.
YOU of all people should know better and frankly you should be dealing more with the racist diatribe of some, as you started the thread.
Otherwise your thread will go horrendously off topic I fear.
I have no time for racism.
It's sure to get turned into a Muslim bashing session even though Multiculturism (sp) involves lots of different cultures, not just Muslims.
05 February 2011, 02:44 PM
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I don't care what colour, race or religion you are, you need to try and integrate into the country you are in, moreso if you were not actually born in the country and have relocated from somewhere else.
Do not try and bend the rules and laws of the country you are in to your values, you need be the one bending to accommodate.
Don't bang on about how you loathe the country you are in and wish them ill, if you don't like it, there is a solution, move to another country that you do like.
The media is always going to sensationalize things, it's how they make money.
The solution? Ah, there's the rub, is there one? As said by others, it could be too late to "fix" things. You could stop more immigration, but what about people already here, legally (if you're illegal, you should be tracked down and kicked out, none of this human rights bollocks, you want to live in the country, there is a legal process to follow, otherwise you're out on your ear) you cannot force them to integrate.
Do not try and bend the rules and laws of the country you are in to your values, you need be the one bending to accommodate.
Don't bang on about how you loathe the country you are in and wish them ill, if you don't like it, there is a solution, move to another country that you do like.
The media is always going to sensationalize things, it's how they make money.
The solution? Ah, there's the rub, is there one? As said by others, it could be too late to "fix" things. You could stop more immigration, but what about people already here, legally (if you're illegal, you should be tracked down and kicked out, none of this human rights bollocks, you want to live in the country, there is a legal process to follow, otherwise you're out on your ear) you cannot force them to integrate.
05 February 2011, 02:52 PM
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Perhaps some of these stroppy Muslims could get more involved in things like Rugby which would help them to be more accepted? That chap with the hook for example could be quite an asset in the front row
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05 February 2011, 03:00 PM
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I don't care what colour, race or religion you are, you need to try and integrate into the country you are in, moreso if you were not actually born in the country and have relocated from somewhere else.
Do not try and bend the rules and laws of the country you are in to your values, you need be the one bending to accommodate.
Don't bang on about how you loathe the country you are in and wish them ill, if you don't like it, there is a solution, move to another country that you do like.
The media is always going to sensationalize things, it's how they make money.
The solution? Ah, there's the rub, is there one? As said by others, it could be too late to "fix" things. You could stop more immigration, but what about people already here, legally (if you're illegal, you should be tracked down and kicked out, none of this human rights bollocks, you want to live in the country, there is a legal process to follow, otherwise you're out on your ear) you cannot force them to integrate.
Do not try and bend the rules and laws of the country you are in to your values, you need be the one bending to accommodate.
Don't bang on about how you loathe the country you are in and wish them ill, if you don't like it, there is a solution, move to another country that you do like.
The media is always going to sensationalize things, it's how they make money.
The solution? Ah, there's the rub, is there one? As said by others, it could be too late to "fix" things. You could stop more immigration, but what about people already here, legally (if you're illegal, you should be tracked down and kicked out, none of this human rights bollocks, you want to live in the country, there is a legal process to follow, otherwise you're out on your ear) you cannot force them to integrate.
I completely see where you are coming from and can sympathise with the sentiment, it is a nice simple answer to the problem. However this ignores the reality.
Given sufficient time, and immigration, the host country WILL change. As society and humans evolve and develop.
I cannot think of a single country that hasn't changed in this fashion to some extent.
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05 February 2011, 03:03 PM
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My moan to Paul is that he knows very well what some people will post, but in my eyes, does not do enough to stop that, either in his original post or subsequently. Ok, one post, but, not enough considering the thread he has started.
Oh well!
05 February 2011, 03:10 PM
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I played rugby, but I am sure the 'stroppy Muslims' comment is not directed at me.
Front row would be the only place for him, I wouldn't fancy him behind me with his hand between my legs, all locked in!
05 February 2011, 03:27 PM
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Hopefully it won't go down that route Lee. I sometimes irk at having to 're balance' threads where clearly SN's Moron contingent like to gather.
My moan to Paul is that he knows very well what some people will post, but in my eyes, does not do enough to stop that, either in his original post or subsequently. Ok, one post, but, not enough considering the thread he has started.
Oh well!
My moan to Paul is that he knows very well what some people will post, but in my eyes, does not do enough to stop that, either in his original post or subsequently. Ok, one post, but, not enough considering the thread he has started.
Oh well!
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05 February 2011, 03:31 PM
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05 February 2011, 03:36 PM
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Hopefully it won't go down that route Lee. I sometimes irk at having to 're balance' threads where clearly SN's Moron contingent like to gather.
My moan to Paul is that he knows very well what some people will post, but in my eyes, does not do enough to stop that, either in his original post or subsequently. Ok, one post, but, not enough considering the thread he has started.
Oh well!
My moan to Paul is that he knows very well what some people will post, but in my eyes, does not do enough to stop that, either in his original post or subsequently. Ok, one post, but, not enough considering the thread he has started.
Oh well!
I am not a moderator nor have the power top stop people posting or alter their posts.
I will however if this gets out of hand either delete the thread myself or report it to get something done but i will not stop posting just because some people do not like what i post or they then go on to turn in into a xyz bashing thread. I made my position clear from the start and also pointed out my own experiences in a Muslim country when someone posted how churches, etc where not tolerated in such countries.
It is not up to me to 'justify' my post(s) by defending anyone although i will correct and comment on what i know to be incorrect/wrong/misleading.
The idiots, extremists and ill educated on all sides (we all know who they are) make themselves clear by their words and they should be ignored thus not giving them credibility and opportunity to continue and troll and cause problems.
Its called freedom of speech
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When did I say that Dave? Paul has himself complained about the 'racist diatribe'. I have felt that he knew it was going to happen before he started the thread.
Did I complain about the bacon dodging raghead comment? I could have deemed it not inappropriate to have responded with a 'fat white ****' retort, as a joke of course, and in the same manner it was made to me, but chose not to.
To pick on what I have said, while ignoring some of the other comments on here, doesn't seem right to me. Please point out to me where I have actually said something wrong and I will apologise unreservedly. Thanks.
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Did I complain about the bacon dodging raghead comment? I could have deemed it not inappropriate to have responded with a 'fat white ****' retort, as a joke of course, and in the same manner it was made to me, but chose not to.
To pick on what I have said, while ignoring some of the other comments on here, doesn't seem right to me. Please point out to me where I have actually said something wrong and I will apologise unreservedly. Thanks.
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05 February 2011, 03:46 PM
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When did I say that Dave? Paul has himself complained about the 'racist diatribe'. I have felt that he knew it was going to happen before he started the thread.
Did I complain about the bacon dodging raghead comment? I could have deemed it not inappropriate to have responded with a 'fat white ****' retort, as a joke of course, and in the same manner it was made to me, but chose not to.
To pick on what I have said, while ignoring some of the other comments on here, doesn't seem right to me. Please point out to me where I have actually said something wrong and I will apologise unreservedly. Thanks.
Asif
Did I complain about the bacon dodging raghead comment? I could have deemed it not inappropriate to have responded with a 'fat white ****' retort, as a joke of course, and in the same manner it was made to me, but chose not to.
To pick on what I have said, while ignoring some of the other comments on here, doesn't seem right to me. Please point out to me where I have actually said something wrong and I will apologise unreservedly. Thanks.
Asif
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05 February 2011, 03:48 PM
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Asif. To make my position perfectly clear
I am not a moderator nor have the power top stop people posting or alter their posts.
I will however if this gets out of hand either delete the thread myself or report it to get something done but i will not stop posting just because some people do not like what i post or they then go on to turn in into a xyz bashing thread. I made my position clear from the start and also pointed out my own experiences in a Muslim country when someone posted how churches, etc where not tolerated in such countries.
It is not up to me to 'justify' my post(s) by defending anyone although i will correct and comment on what i know to be incorrect/wrong/misleading.
The idiots, extremists and ill educated on all sides (we all know who they are) make themselves clear by their words and they should be ignored thus not giving them credibility and opportunity to continue and troll and cause problems.
Its called freedom of speech
I am not a moderator nor have the power top stop people posting or alter their posts.
I will however if this gets out of hand either delete the thread myself or report it to get something done but i will not stop posting just because some people do not like what i post or they then go on to turn in into a xyz bashing thread. I made my position clear from the start and also pointed out my own experiences in a Muslim country when someone posted how churches, etc where not tolerated in such countries.
It is not up to me to 'justify' my post(s) by defending anyone although i will correct and comment on what i know to be incorrect/wrong/misleading.
The idiots, extremists and ill educated on all sides (we all know who they are) make themselves clear by their words and they should be ignored thus not giving them credibility and opportunity to continue and troll and cause problems.
Its called freedom of speech
You know I have no problem with you or what you say. We have happily agreed and disagreed on various points in the past, there has never been a problem.
In my humble opinion, you know that certain posters could not resist posting certain comments on here. I think you have been on SN more than long enough to know it was an inevitability.
I don't have a problem with any point you made, you do in fact, have a point. All I have said is to complain about the comments that both you and I know were going to appear on this thread. Me personally, wouldn't start a thread like this, knowing that, not without being crystal clear up front that certain types of comments would not be tolerated.
That's all.
For people to get more offended by what I have said instead of other comments on this thread I find bemusing.
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05 February 2011, 03:54 PM
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ervatives.race
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-2205074.html
and for those who prefer colouring books in to reading them: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lturalism.html
And about time - i hope it is not just empty words and a soundbite or two from him...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-2205074.html
and for those who prefer colouring books in to reading them: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...lturalism.html
And about time - i hope it is not just empty words and a soundbite or two from him...
"Cameron said that "state multiculturalism" led to people accepting different cultural behaviour, even if it contravened human rights."
Well said.
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05 February 2011, 03:56 PM
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Not saying you have. But that's the point I'm making. Free speech means being able to say what you like. No problem. It's when it comes to actions that we have problems and this is where people have "issues" with Muslims. No matter if you (I assume you're Muslim but maybe I've misunderstood) and all your mates were born here, are UK citizens and are integrated into UK society the problem you have is that almost every time you see reports of so-called "suicide bombers" (I call them murdering ba5tards) they are Muslim. How many terrorist atrocities over the last few years have NOT been perpetrated by Muslims (in the western world that we hear about at least)?
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I am not going to defend the actions of terrorists. You know, they don't really care if they kill me by their actions.
Let me ask you, are you seriously equating the actions of a handful, yes a handful, of nutcases around the whole planet, to being indicative of what 1.5 billion people think?
Common sense should prevail here. I suggest, if I may, to change the media you subscribe to.
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05 February 2011, 03:58 PM
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The Conservatives/Lib Dems are in power, not Labour. The economy was growing despite Labour and now it is contracting.
Yes I know you like to blame everything on Labour and sure they, and a world recession have playyed their part in the last few years, but this is now and the the current bunch are doing even more damage and will not admit it!
How long are you prepared to watch the country sink while taking solace in the fact it is all Labour's fault
Yes I know you like to blame everything on Labour and sure they, and a world recession have playyed their part in the last few years, but this is now and the the current bunch are doing even more damage and will not admit it!
How long are you prepared to watch the country sink while taking solace in the fact it is all Labour's fault
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Paul,
You know I have no problem with you or what you say. We have happily agreed and disagreed on various points in the past, there has never been a problem.
In my humble opinion, you know that certain posters could not resist posting certain comments on here. I think you have been on SN more than long enough to know it was an inevitability.
I don't have a problem with any point you made, you do in fact, have a point. All I have said is to complain about the comments that both you and I know were going to appear on this thread. Me personally, wouldn't start a thread like this, knowing that, not without being crystal clear up front that certain types of comments would not be tolerated.
That's all.
For people to get more offended by what I have said instead of other comments on this thread I find bemusing.
Asif
You know I have no problem with you or what you say. We have happily agreed and disagreed on various points in the past, there has never been a problem.
In my humble opinion, you know that certain posters could not resist posting certain comments on here. I think you have been on SN more than long enough to know it was an inevitability.
I don't have a problem with any point you made, you do in fact, have a point. All I have said is to complain about the comments that both you and I know were going to appear on this thread. Me personally, wouldn't start a thread like this, knowing that, not without being crystal clear up front that certain types of comments would not be tolerated.
That's all.
For people to get more offended by what I have said instead of other comments on this thread I find bemusing.
Asif
Yes i did figure certain people would post inappropriate comments or side track the thread and i have done my best to keep it on track. I regularly RTM stuff i feel is inappropriate and let the mods decide - IMHO they do a good and fair job of it. I try not to rise to the bait of some by ignoring their posts as i said it only gives them a bit of credibility and a soapbox to do so. It is also up to others (you included (in the nicest possible way
) to also police the thread by using the RTM function.I posted this thread after some thought about the consequences, but thought it worthy of airing as it is a key speech by our PM (love him or hate him) about to be given to other heads of state. I also do not think i should have to not post something i see as important just because a few fools will make stupid comments - this comes back to the RTM function and all of us using it as required
My stance is that i do not prejudge anyone by their colour or by their religion but by their actions and motives.
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05 February 2011, 04:14 PM
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Did the Gov start with a clen sheet then when they came to power. No!
And maybe the economy was growing , but it was by spending money that we did not have which even you may agree is not a good idea.
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It was too much too soon, but I know there is no telling you as according to you everything bad probably including the recent cyclone to hit Queensland is down to Labour