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Old 21 January 2011, 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
On what basis though? There are lots of oppressed people in this world.

Ah, excellent - so you admit the Palestinians are oppressed.

We're making progress.

Do you think oppression is morally defensible?
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Old 21 January 2011, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Anyway, I'm anti-Semantic, so if you don't mind.
I think you're anti-semiotic. You're certainly ignoring the signs.
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Old 21 January 2011, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
I conceded that I wasn't prepared to cast an opinion on Tony's refusal to answer a question that he percieved to be akin to a witchhunt. You suggested that was sidestepping, and I accepted that indeed I wanted no part of it. When in this thread his position on that became untenable I acknowledged it.

Anyway, I'm anti-Semantic, so if you don't mind.
Ok, so do you now see the basis of my accusations of inconsistency and double standard?
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Old 21 January 2011, 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Ah, excellent - so you admit the Palestinians are oppressed.

We're making progress.

Do you think oppression is morally defensible?
What do you mean by oppression? I'm oppressed because I cannot afford that nice new Porsche in the dealership and someone else lives in that mansion down the road which I would like to live in.

Marxists say that the working class is oppressed by Capitalists and can prove it on paper.

I know the Palestinians in refugee camps in other Arab states are oppressed because they are not allowed out to resettle, or given citizenship etc.
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Ok, so do you now see the basis of my accusations of inconsistency and double standard?
Yes.

What are your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding?
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Old 21 January 2011, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Yes.
You concede that you were inconsistent and exercising a double standard?
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
You concede that you were inconsistent and exercising a double standard?
No.

What are your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding?
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
What do you mean by oppression? I'm oppressed because I cannot afford that nice new Porsche in the dealership and someone else lives in that mansion down the road which I would like to live in.

Marxists say that the working class is oppressed by Capitalists and can prove it on paper.

I know the Palestinians in refugee camps in other Arab states are oppressed because they are not allowed out to resettle, or given citizenship etc.

You seem to leap on any piece of press that shows Muslims or Pakistanis in a bad light, the question is why is that?
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
No.

What are your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding?
Sorry James, but to my mind you appear to be inconsistent and are applying a double standard when it comes to your friend, Tony.

Why is that?
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Sorry James, but to my mind you appear to be inconsistent and are applying a double standard when it comes to your friend, Tony.

Why is that?
Well, to answer the question I'd have to agree with the premise, which I don't.
For what it's worth I think Tony should answer Banny's question above, I'd be happy to answer it if were addressed to me.

What are your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding?
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
No.

What are your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding?
What are your views on a couple of planks expending maximum effort to wind up a few muslim members on a Subaru car owners forum
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Well, to answer the question I'd have to agree with the premise, which I don't.
For what it's worth I think Tony should answer Banny's question above, I'd be happy to answer it if were addressed to me.
Let's agree to disagree then, I have made my point, people can judge for themselves.

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What are your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding?
If you ask me that again I will have to claim Witch craft is going on! Oops I mean a Witch hunt is going on.

Seriously however, do you really expect me to answer that question? What do you think my answer will be? I reckon you already know the answer.
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DCI Gene Hunt
What are your views on a couple of planks expending maximum effort to wind up a few muslim members on a Subaru car owners forum

LOL! And the non Muslim members too!
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
What do you mean by oppression?
Oh, just the usual meaning. The arbitrary, cruel and unjust exercise of power, not the happenstance of being unable to afford a certain desired bauble.
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Let's agree to disagree then, I have made my point, people can judge for themselves.



If you ask me that again I will have to claim Witch craft is going on! Oops I mean a Witch hunt is going on.

Seriously however, do you really expect me to answer that question? What do you think my answer will be? I reckon you already know the answer.
What point have you made?

I do not know your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding. What are they, please?
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Oh, just the usual meaning. The arbitrary, cruel and unjust exercise of power, not the happenstance of being unable to afford a certain desired bauble.
Sounds like most of the world is oppressed then.
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
What point have you made?

I do not know your views on the Palestinian suicide-murderers and the practice of human shielding. What are they, please?
See post#279.
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Sounds like most of the world is oppressed then.
Terrific.
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
Oh, just the usual meaning. The arbitrary, cruel and unjust exercise of power
By this definition then, can we describe the Israeli people as oppressed?
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
By this definition then, can we describe the Israeli people as oppressed?
I don't know. Go ahead and make your case and we'll see.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
By this definition then, can we describe the Israeli people as oppressed?
ROFL!!!
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
See post#279.
https://www.scoobynet.com/showpost.p...&postcount=279

That is an opinion not a point.

This is a point:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...edirected=true

The arbitrary, cruel and unjust exercise of power.
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Old 22 January 2011, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AsifScoob
ROFL!!!
I'm looking forward to this. BTW, don't you think that by anybody's standards, Tony's last retort was feeble in the extreme?
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ROFL!!!
Well, the victims of the nail-bombs on the buses of Tel Aviv were rolling on the floor, but they weren't laughing.
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...edirected=true

The arbitrary, cruel and unjust exercise of power.
The Palestinians don't have power. They are the ruled, not the rulers. Oppression is the arbitrary, cruel and unjust exercise of power by the governing faction, as you well know, I hope.

I don't condone suicide bombings, by the way.
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Well, the victims of the nail-bombs on the buses of Tel Aviv were rolling on the floor, but they weren't laughing.
Conversely, this point is laughable. An act of rebellion is not an act of oppression.

I don't condone the bombings, by the way.
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An act of rebellion? Deliberately targeting non
combatants?

I condone targeted gunship attacks on would-be suicide-murderers by the way.
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Old 22 January 2011, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Why is my 'opinion' not point worthy? Careful now James in how you answer, you are about to reduce any 'point' that you have ever made, to mere 'opinion' status. Are you prepared for that?

Originally Posted by JTaylor
This is a point:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...edirected=true

The arbitrary, cruel and unjust exercise of power.
Well, if loads of Yids were killed, who cares?
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Old 22 January 2011, 01:02 AM
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Whichever way you cut it, they are the oppressed, not the oppressors.
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
I'm looking forward to this. BTW, don't you think that by anybody's standards, Tony's last retort was feeble in the extreme?
I'm used to it Bubba, but I am trying to be nice to him too, you never know?

However, any worse and the price of petrol will become 'oppression' next - oh hold on - IT IS OPPRESSION!!!
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