Teacher's Pensions contributions to DOUBLE.
15 January 2011, 03:08 AM
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And however you look at it, anyone with a pension guaranteed by Government should feel one hell of a lot more secure than those with private/company pensions. Perhaps some economics training might benefit a lot of public sector employees, who seem to think they should be immune from all the cutbacks forced on us drones in the private sector.
15 January 2011, 08:30 AM
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Seriously though I didnt realise it was considered that bankers had it so easy. Does the average banker get the same as or more than say a teacher, plumber, policeman etc and get "4 months holiday, a state pension" etc?
15 January 2011, 08:46 AM
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You'll not get a lot of sympathy on here mate, infact you wont get any anywhere bar the school canteen with all your other colleagues.
Welcome to the real world.
If this is true, why isn't it in the news? Do you have any links to this double contribution to 12.8% as google doesnt reveal anything.
Welcome to the real world.
If this is true, why isn't it in the news? Do you have any links to this double contribution to 12.8% as google doesnt reveal anything.
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15 January 2011, 10:23 AM
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http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?st...510&navcode=94
Found it.......contributions to go up to between 9.5 and 9.8%.
Not sure what I currently pay for my public pension, I think it's 8.5% now but slated to go up to 12% ish by 2015 as worse case.
They are going to tax the knackers off it as well but still a very good deal for a pension IMHO. I might moan about it but it's essentially guaranteed...
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Found it.......contributions to go up to between 9.5 and 9.8%.
Not sure what I currently pay for my public pension, I think it's 8.5% now but slated to go up to 12% ish by 2015 as worse case.
They are going to tax the knackers off it as well but still a very good deal for a pension IMHO. I might moan about it but it's essentially guaranteed...
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15 January 2011, 10:55 AM
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And however you look at it, anyone with a pension guaranteed by Government should feel one hell of a lot more secure than those with private/company pensions. Perhaps some economics training might benefit a lot of public sector employees, who seem to think they should be immune from all the cutbacks forced on us drones in the private sector.
Exactly. I work in the private sector (Construction) and haven't had a pay rise in 3 years. Took a pay cut (longer hours, same money) last year, and if work doesn't pick up soon, I'll be on 3 day weeks, and a 40% pay cut.
On top of that, my pension is worth feckall.
So to all those Public sector teachers etc who'll be guaranteed a final salary pension, my words are simple. Feckoff
15 January 2011, 01:34 PM
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Average pay for Teachers in our school is £46,000+
TLR payments are given for all kinds of things, NOT just heads of departments!
Remember, too, that some 'departments' have 3 staff!!! So, a Head of a small department gets £48,000 for managing 2 staff?? That's completely over the top IMO.
26 hours directed time a week ..... whereas everyone else has a 37 hour week directed time - fair? Don't think so.
How many weeks holiday? I'll tell you - 12 minimum!!!! That's 60 days!!! YUP 60 days!!
It's about time that the whole Education system was dragged into the real world .... IMO.
Stop moaning and pay your pension!
TLR payments are given for all kinds of things, NOT just heads of departments!
Remember, too, that some 'departments' have 3 staff!!! So, a Head of a small department gets £48,000 for managing 2 staff?? That's completely over the top IMO.
26 hours directed time a week ..... whereas everyone else has a 37 hour week directed time - fair? Don't think so.
How many weeks holiday? I'll tell you - 12 minimum!!!! That's 60 days!!! YUP 60 days!!
It's about time that the whole Education system was dragged into the real world .... IMO.
Stop moaning and pay your pension!
They need to start putting 20% in !!!! Let alone putting it up to a measly 12% ffs .!!!!
15 January 2011, 01:45 PM
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http://www.tes.co.uk/article.aspx?st...510&navcode=94
Found it.......contributions to go up to between 9.5 and 9.8%.
Not sure what I currently pay for my public pension, I think it's 8.5% now but slated to go up to 12% ish by 2015 as worse case.
They are going to tax the knackers off it as well but still a very good deal for a pension IMHO. I might moan about it but it's essentially guaranteed...
Shaun
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Found it.......contributions to go up to between 9.5 and 9.8%.
Not sure what I currently pay for my public pension, I think it's 8.5% now but slated to go up to 12% ish by 2015 as worse case.
They are going to tax the knackers off it as well but still a very good deal for a pension IMHO. I might moan about it but it's essentially guaranteed...
Shaun
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15 January 2011, 02:50 PM
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Teachers generally like to portray themselves as down-trodden, poorly paid professionals - whilst, in actual fact, act completely un-professionally!!
The facts are this:-
They get an annual increment up the payspine - and, when they reach the top they go onto an Upper Pay Spine!! These increases are guaranteed, despite what the words say in the blurb (they are always approved) - that means you (the public) get the same for more money!! Yes, I kmow, shocking state of affairs!!
TLR Payments of many £thousands are paid for Mickey Mouse 'additional' tasks - like looking after the Notice Board, watching over the Bike Sheds or a multitude of make believe duties .... again, more money for the same!
60 days holiday + Inset Days
26 hours a week directed time .. the hours we can tell the Teachers what to do
Sickness levels in Teaching are WAY above those in the real world .. are they sick? Hmmmmm, well, I'll let you decide if they all are!
They have it easy, they are extremely highy paid and they are never there!!
The facts are this:-
They get an annual increment up the payspine - and, when they reach the top they go onto an Upper Pay Spine!! These increases are guaranteed, despite what the words say in the blurb (they are always approved) - that means you (the public) get the same for more money!!
Yes, I kmow, shocking state of affairs!!TLR Payments of many £thousands are paid for Mickey Mouse 'additional' tasks - like looking after the Notice Board, watching over the Bike Sheds or a multitude of make believe duties .... again, more money for the same!
60 days holiday + Inset Days
26 hours a week directed time .. the hours we can tell the Teachers what to do
Sickness levels in Teaching are WAY above those in the real world .. are they sick? Hmmmmm, well, I'll let you decide if they all are!
They have it easy, they are extremely highy paid and they are never there!!
15 January 2011, 02:52 PM
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15 January 2011, 03:00 PM
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OH, and if the TLR duties are removed from a Teacher - say, they decide not to look after the NoticeBoard for, say, £5,200 a year additional wage anymore, what happens?
I'll tell you what happens ... they stop looking after the NoticeBoard, BUT get this!! They STILL receive the payment for 3 years afterwards!!!! Yes, I know - SHOCKING!!
And it's OUR MONEY they are slurping!!!!
Of course, now the NoticeBoard management is vacant another Teacher takes it on ... looking after the Noticeboard for an additional £5200 a year ............ so, we are paying one Teacher £5200 extra for doing nothing extra at all AND paying the new NoticeBoard Manager £5200!!!!
Of course, then the new Manager of the NoticeBoard quits the task - but retains the £5200 for another 3 years .... and another Teacher steps forward to take on the mangement of the NoticeBoard!!!!
WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF AS TAX PAYERS and it needs to STOP!!
So, Teachers, I would strongly advise you to stay quiet and sit on your gravy train as too much bleeting and moaning will get you noticed - then people will start asking questions ...... and you won't like that, now, will you?
I'll tell you what happens ... they stop looking after the NoticeBoard, BUT get this!! They STILL receive the payment for 3 years afterwards!!!! Yes, I know - SHOCKING!!
And it's OUR MONEY they are slurping!!!!
Of course, now the NoticeBoard management is vacant another Teacher takes it on ... looking after the Noticeboard for an additional £5200 a year ............ so, we are paying one Teacher £5200 extra for doing nothing extra at all AND paying the new NoticeBoard Manager £5200!!!!
Of course, then the new Manager of the NoticeBoard quits the task - but retains the £5200 for another 3 years .... and another Teacher steps forward to take on the mangement of the NoticeBoard!!!!
WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF AS TAX PAYERS and it needs to STOP!!
So, Teachers, I would strongly advise you to stay quiet and sit on your gravy train as too much bleeting and moaning will get you noticed - then people will start asking questions ...... and you won't like that, now, will you?
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15 January 2011, 03:20 PM
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OH, and if the TLR duties are removed from a Teacher - say, they decide not to look after the NoticeBoard for, say, £5,200 a year additional wage anymore, what happens?
I'll tell you what happens ... they stop looking after the NoticeBoard, BUT get this!! They STILL receive the payment for 3 years afterwards!!!! Yes, I know - SHOCKING!!
And it's OUR MONEY they are slurping!!!!
Of course, now the NoticeBoard management is vacant another Teacher takes it on ... looking after the Noticeboard for an additional £5200 a year ............ so, we are paying one Teacher £5200 extra for doing nothing extra at all AND paying the new NoticeBoard Manager £5200!!!!
Of course, then the new Manager of the NoticeBoard quits the task - but retains the £5200 for another 3 years .... and another Teacher steps forward to take on the mangement of the NoticeBoard!!!!
WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF AS TAX PAYERS and it needs to STOP!!
So, Teachers, I would strongly advise you to stay quiet and sit on your gravy train as too much bleeting and moaning will get you noticed - then people will start asking questions ...... and you won't like that, now, will you?
I'll tell you what happens ... they stop looking after the NoticeBoard, BUT get this!! They STILL receive the payment for 3 years afterwards!!!! Yes, I know - SHOCKING!!
And it's OUR MONEY they are slurping!!!!
Of course, now the NoticeBoard management is vacant another Teacher takes it on ... looking after the Noticeboard for an additional £5200 a year ............ so, we are paying one Teacher £5200 extra for doing nothing extra at all AND paying the new NoticeBoard Manager £5200!!!!
Of course, then the new Manager of the NoticeBoard quits the task - but retains the £5200 for another 3 years .... and another Teacher steps forward to take on the mangement of the NoticeBoard!!!!
WE ARE BEING RIPPED OFF AS TAX PAYERS and it needs to STOP!!
So, Teachers, I would strongly advise you to stay quiet and sit on your gravy train as too much bleeting and moaning will get you noticed - then people will start asking questions ...... and you won't like that, now, will you?
I find that hard to believe Pete! The teachers are getting paid for something they no longer do.
15 January 2011, 03:35 PM
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I have to say I agree with Pete's sentiment on this one!
15 January 2011, 03:50 PM
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You have to say that if the teachers wages are so good why have the government had to offer golden hello's to recruit anyone with the required qualification and the good ones tend to leave for private industry after a few year to earn more money.
if you want to compare wages then do it over the last 10 years not just a snap shot when you are having a bad month
if you want to compare wages then do it over the last 10 years not just a snap shot when you are having a bad month
15 January 2011, 06:16 PM
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God, I woul dneed 100k before I went near teaching teenagers, I would kill inside the first week.
That said, they do get a lot of holiday, I bet they need it, asking them to find another 100 quid a month at the moment must be difficult but everyone is getting a kicking (apart from bankers) .
That said, they do get a lot of holiday, I bet they need it, asking them to find another 100 quid a month at the moment must be difficult but everyone is getting a kicking (apart from bankers) .
15 January 2011, 06:25 PM
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Wow. I feel really guilty now you've pointed this out Pete. So much so that I'm going to go and find a a lesser job.
I'll be able to sleep better then.
If you don't like what someone else is getting, you've got a choice - beat em or join em.
Sounds like petty jealousy to me.
I'll be able to sleep better then.
If you don't like what someone else is getting, you've got a choice - beat em or join em.
Sounds like petty jealousy to me.
15 January 2011, 06:44 PM
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I was shocked when it hit my desk .... quite how they have the cheek to moan about ANYTHING is beyond me.
It's called 'SafeGuarding' the payment - so, as I have highlighted, it can be used quite simply to boost Teachers wages. Teacher 1 takes on some Mickey Mouse task, gains the TLR Payment of up to £12,000 EXTRA on their pay, then decides not to carry out that 'extra' anymore ..... their £12,000 extra is safeguarded for 3 years following their ceasation of the duties - at which point Teacher 2 can take the 'extra' duties on and receive the TLR Payment. It repeats again, and Teacher 3 steps up to stick their noses in the trough of taxpayers money .. and on it goes like a merry-go-round.
Schools are getting into financial trouble because of noses in the trough!!
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15 January 2011, 06:54 PM
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TX.
Edit - music teacher = £100 per day / £2000 per month / £24k per year.
http://jobview.monster.co.uk/Music-T...-95819830.aspx
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15 January 2011, 06:59 PM
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You have to say that if the teachers wages are so good why have the government had to offer golden hello's to recruit anyone with the required qualification and the good ones tend to leave for private industry after a few year to earn more money.
if you want to compare wages then do it over the last 10 years not just a snap shot when you are having a bad month
if you want to compare wages then do it over the last 10 years not just a snap shot when you are having a bad month
Golden hello's were given in certain subjects because of a shortage of Teachers in that subject ... nothing more. And I have not heard of a Golden hello for many, many, years now.
As for Teachers leaving for Private Industry .... where the hell did you get that from? It's simply madness to think that:-
a. Why would any Employer want an ex-Teacher on their payroll ... what could they possibly offer? They would go home at 3pm everyday, be sick for weeks on end and disappear for 60 days a year on holidays!!! They would also only do as required for 26 hours a week!!! What could ANY Employer see in THAT!?
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b. Teachers know when they are onto a good thing - would they cope in the real world? NO! and they know it!
So, there would be no exodus to private industry from schools ... and, in all my years, I have NEVER seen it happen!!
Industry INTO school - why yes - and those do a great job, but are looked upon with suspision by the Teachers as they talk with a language which comes from having spent time actually being accountable!
As for wages ... over 10 years? I can do that with absolute precision. Head of Science in 1999 was earning the same as an Engineering Manager in my Company .... now, that Head of Science is on £55,000 whilst the Engineering Manager is on £43,000!! That is absolute fact, so - Teachers have soared way above industry in pay ........ and STILL they moan!!
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15 January 2011, 07:03 PM
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Sorry Pete, that is just boll*x ...
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Edit - music teacher = £100 per day / £2000 per month / £24k per year.
http://jobview.monster.co.uk/Music-T...-95819830.aspx
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Edit - music teacher = £100 per day / £2000 per month / £24k per year.
http://jobview.monster.co.uk/Music-T...-95819830.aspx
The only Teachers I know on £24,000 are NQT's!!
Within 2 years they are far and away above that! So, in a School with experienced Teachers the average will be as I have said - £46,000 ....... much higher in London, of course!
15 January 2011, 07:05 PM
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15 January 2011, 07:11 PM
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Perfect ...
So, if you look - a Teacher on UPS3 = £45,000 ..... if they are a Head of Department thay get a TLR of £12,393.
Therefore, a Head of Science could easily be on £57,393! Head of Maths too and Head of English!!
A £46,000 average wage in a School (like mine) is absolutely proved, simply by the official document above.
Game, set and match I think
So, if you look - a Teacher on UPS3 = £45,000 ..... if they are a Head of Department thay get a TLR of £12,393.
Therefore, a Head of Science could easily be on £57,393! Head of Maths too and Head of English!!
A £46,000 average wage in a School (like mine) is absolutely proved, simply by the official document above.
Game, set and match I think
15 January 2011, 07:17 PM
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Perfect ...
So, if you look - a Teacher on UPS3 = £45,000 ..... if they are a Head of Department thay get a TLR of £12,393.
Therefore, a Head of Science could easily be on £57,393! Head of Maths too and Head of English!!
A £46,000 average wage in a School (like mine) is absolutely proved, simply by the official document above.
Game, set and match I think
So, if you look - a Teacher on UPS3 = £45,000 ..... if they are a Head of Department thay get a TLR of £12,393.
Therefore, a Head of Science could easily be on £57,393! Head of Maths too and Head of English!!
A £46,000 average wage in a School (like mine) is absolutely proved, simply by the official document above.
Game, set and match I think
When you have local council 'executives' pulling 250k and part-time Doctors on 200k it's not that much money. It's also quite a bit less than I earn right now and I don't even need a degree for my job.
15 January 2011, 07:24 PM
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Teachers Pensions are final wage schemes, so they get the same money in pension as they were in the job. I know cos my Bro and Sis are teachers.
So only fair that they give a bit more from their £30k+ salaries.
Not all of us can afford a pension at all, let alone a final salary scheme.
So only fair that they give a bit more from their £30k+ salaries.
Not all of us can afford a pension at all, let alone a final salary scheme.
As a recently retired engineering lecturer, I have to say that the above is misleading. The pension is based on the best annual salary over the last so many (can't remember the actual figure) years of employment. My annual pension was based on my final salary divided by 80 then multiplied by the No of years service. This is taxable. The non taxable lump sum was three times the annual figure.
Considering the type of 'student' I finished up teaching over the last seven years (this is another, rather eye opening story!) I can honestly say I am worth every penny they give me, and was worth every penny (and more!) of my salary, which may I add, was nowhere near the figure stated by PSL Sounds a bold statement, but these days it's a career most of you would run a mile from!
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15 January 2011, 08:22 PM
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