Nine More scumbags arrested for the grooming of young girls for sex
09 May 2012, 06:41 PM
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many with little empathy for the victims here it seems, blame the parents/governments ect.
lets start with the fact these are not fully grown adult females, 13 is the very first teenage year!!
youve got a situation where girls (and guys) are very, very image concious. social standing is of quite high importance on priority list. coupled with a massive physical and hormonal changes there going through, teenage years are some of the hardest for many (when older you realise there petty, but not at the time)
you then get agroup of fully grown males with life experinece behind them, from any background, totally manipulating the situation, preying on known weaknesses. evil men, that clearly dont give a fck about the victims, and use any tactic to trick/convince young girls for there own benefit.
now im painting a picture of girls involved of total innoncence and niavety, which may or may not be true. many maybe be streetwise have a good understanding of exactly whats happening, from possibly poor upbringings. but that doesnt take away the fact that this is what teenagers do, they experiment, learn and genarally head towards adult hood and gain life experience. its normal behaviour for many, not illegal or wrong behaviour.
parents need to extend children degrees of indepandance, and trust their kids and society in general. its not just simply a case of its young "white slags" with sh*t prents, who dont give a fck - which is what many just assume.
its abuse, cold calculated evil behaviour - lets remember that.
lets start with the fact these are not fully grown adult females, 13 is the very first teenage year!!
youve got a situation where girls (and guys) are very, very image concious. social standing is of quite high importance on priority list. coupled with a massive physical and hormonal changes there going through, teenage years are some of the hardest for many (when older you realise there petty, but not at the time)
you then get agroup of fully grown males with life experinece behind them, from any background, totally manipulating the situation, preying on known weaknesses. evil men, that clearly dont give a fck about the victims, and use any tactic to trick/convince young girls for there own benefit.
now im painting a picture of girls involved of total innoncence and niavety, which may or may not be true. many maybe be streetwise have a good understanding of exactly whats happening, from possibly poor upbringings. but that doesnt take away the fact that this is what teenagers do, they experiment, learn and genarally head towards adult hood and gain life experience. its normal behaviour for many, not illegal or wrong behaviour.
parents need to extend children degrees of indepandance, and trust their kids and society in general. its not just simply a case of its young "white slags" with sh*t prents, who dont give a fck - which is what many just assume.
its abuse, cold calculated evil behaviour - lets remember that.
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I am appalled and truly saddened by this.
Even more shocking is the fact that one of the crims tried playing the race card. Well HELLO Mr Peado! WTF were you expecting? A pat on the back!
Apparently his family have received a bit of racism. Well you should have thought about that before shouldn’t you!!! Plus a few names is nothing compared to what you dished out to said youngsters. Is it at al surprising that resentment towards us is growing at an alarming scale when we have creeps like this lot within our midst? How tolerant should Mr Joe Bloggs white guy be?
His defence, I mean WTF! How embarrassing is it to try and desperately clutch at the last straw trying to bring Nick Griffin into it. You look pathetic man! Just tell you clients to lube up and leave it at that.
Let's turn the cards around. We are all in Pakistan and white people move into our country. Some of these white people have formed little gangs and groom our young poor Pakistani girls using drugs and drink. How long would we tolerate it for? I doubt it more than 24 hours. They would be hung out to dry with their ***** in their mouths. Would we be open minded and see these little gangs for what they are or would we paint the whole white community with one broad brush. I think the answer to this is one which we wouldn't want to admit to. The fact that even the right wing in this country are letting the pathetic law system deal with these ***** rather than stringing them out to dry is a credit to the indigenous people of Britain.
Why were these guys and many more like this able to operate in this way without detection from local friends and family. Could it be that we as the Pakistani Muslim community are suffering ostrich syndrome with our heads firmly buried in Britain’s concrete just wishing the problem would go away. Unfortunately the problem is not going to go away at all. Unless we are been seen to do something about 'our' issues then it is only a matter of time before the hosting populous deal with it for us. Unfortunately often in these scenarios those on the receiving end of a backlash are never the crims but Joe Pakistani Muslim guy on his way to work will be.
Now as Mr Singh from Walsall mentioned above why are these gangs mostly or perhaps always of Pakistani origin in the first place? If i was a gambling type i would put my finger on there origins being from Mirpur or Azad Kashmir.
Anyway, i'm peeved... more later!!
Even more shocking is the fact that one of the crims tried playing the race card. Well HELLO Mr Peado! WTF were you expecting? A pat on the back!
Apparently his family have received a bit of racism. Well you should have thought about that before shouldn’t you!!! Plus a few names is nothing compared to what you dished out to said youngsters. Is it at al surprising that resentment towards us is growing at an alarming scale when we have creeps like this lot within our midst? How tolerant should Mr Joe Bloggs white guy be?
His defence, I mean WTF! How embarrassing is it to try and desperately clutch at the last straw trying to bring Nick Griffin into it. You look pathetic man! Just tell you clients to lube up and leave it at that.
Let's turn the cards around. We are all in Pakistan and white people move into our country. Some of these white people have formed little gangs and groom our young poor Pakistani girls using drugs and drink. How long would we tolerate it for? I doubt it more than 24 hours. They would be hung out to dry with their ***** in their mouths. Would we be open minded and see these little gangs for what they are or would we paint the whole white community with one broad brush. I think the answer to this is one which we wouldn't want to admit to. The fact that even the right wing in this country are letting the pathetic law system deal with these ***** rather than stringing them out to dry is a credit to the indigenous people of Britain.
Why were these guys and many more like this able to operate in this way without detection from local friends and family. Could it be that we as the Pakistani Muslim community are suffering ostrich syndrome with our heads firmly buried in Britain’s concrete just wishing the problem would go away. Unfortunately the problem is not going to go away at all. Unless we are been seen to do something about 'our' issues then it is only a matter of time before the hosting populous deal with it for us. Unfortunately often in these scenarios those on the receiving end of a backlash are never the crims but Joe Pakistani Muslim guy on his way to work will be.
Now as Mr Singh from Walsall mentioned above why are these gangs mostly or perhaps always of Pakistani origin in the first place? If i was a gambling type i would put my finger on there origins being from Mirpur or Azad Kashmir.
Anyway, i'm peeved... more later!!
09 May 2012, 06:48 PM
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No matter what background the girls come from, no matter how late they were out at night, no matter how chavvy the parents are, no matter what, those girls/children did not deserve what has happened to them.
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Bit sad you cannot live with me on your 'ignore' list but i am not surprised.
...as usual, nothing useful to add or contribute...how long before you start the usual "you are an idiot because you do not agree with me" and throw your toys out of the pram yet again i wonder...and it is 'Stereotyping'
...as usual, nothing useful to add or contribute...how long before you start the usual "you are an idiot because you do not agree with me" and throw your toys out of the pram yet again i wonder...and it is 'Stereotyping'
You really are a bit too full of your own self importance Zohan, my post wasn't aimed at you as I hadn't read yours as you are on ignore.... but the fact you thought it was says it all really!!
09 May 2012, 07:26 PM
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Earlier the 59-year-old leader of the sex ring, who cannot be named for legal reasons but was also convicted of two rapes, aiding and abetting rape, sexual assault and trafficking for the purposes of sexual exploitation, was jailed for 19 years
09 May 2012, 07:28 PM
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maybe im wrong but seems a culture of blame of parenting skills for every ill there is these days.
teenage years can be extremely diffcult for parents and children - depending on each individuals circumstances, myriad of different peer pressures to bullying ect can have an impact on a persons state of mind, thought process and behaviour.
yes im all to aware of lazy, sh*t parents - and the potential consequences - but seems like a lazy cop out from joe public to me. something bad happens to kids = blame the sh*t parents. the end.
these years you have to start buiding a trust with kids, both wys. you need to extend some independance at some point or other. and children make mistakes, try things ect
its just vile gangs of people lurk on the egdes waiting to prey on any easy targets. there clever, cold and calculated - great at manipulation. these people are why things like this happen.
not teenagers out experimanting/even with drink, drugs or sex ect. how do people think someone goes from a child to an adult, sit at home with mum and dad watching tv, 9pm bedtime till your 21?
10 May 2012, 07:34 AM
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For the young girls to stand up in court and make sure others don't have the same fate as them , really shows a lot of courage on their behalves.
Let's hope some fooking big bloke called "bubba" gives them a taste of what it's like to be used and abused for the rest of their pitiful lives behind bars.
Let's hope some fooking big bloke called "bubba" gives them a taste of what it's like to be used and abused for the rest of their pitiful lives behind bars.
10 May 2012, 07:44 AM
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The whole thing if it was not the severity of the case would be almost comical!
We have these turds doing bad things to youngsters. The law too scared to do anything about it in fear of branded racist!
Seriously! WTF!
When did the rot set in? Who is responsible for said rot? how did we end up at this stage? What do we do to stop this happening again?
What is the law going to do about the rest of the 'gangs' out there?
We have these turds doing bad things to youngsters. The law too scared to do anything about it in fear of branded racist!
Seriously! WTF!
When did the rot set in? Who is responsible for said rot? how did we end up at this stage? What do we do to stop this happening again?
What is the law going to do about the rest of the 'gangs' out there?
10 May 2012, 03:29 PM
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The whole thing if it was not the severity of the case would be almost comical!
We have these turds doing bad things to youngsters. The law too scared to do anything about it in fear of branded racist!
Seriously! WTF!
When did the rot set in? Who is responsible for said rot? how did we end up at this stage? What do we do to stop this happening again?
What is the law going to do about the rest of the 'gangs' out there?
We have these turds doing bad things to youngsters. The law too scared to do anything about it in fear of branded racist!
Seriously! WTF!
When did the rot set in? Who is responsible for said rot? how did we end up at this stage? What do we do to stop this happening again?
What is the law going to do about the rest of the 'gangs' out there?
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i agree shaid,
its all too obvious there is a ingrained "fear" of being branded a racist felt by many, including people in power or significant influence to laws/punishments being changed to a more common sense approach.
its swung from one extreme to the other it seems, a middle ground needs to be found where relevant comments about race or religion can be aired with fear of reprisal. racism is not acceptable imo, neither is the position we are in now.
the problem is, the people who commit any offence and are of a minority ethnic group consistantly use the "race card" in there defence. the morals of people commiting serious crimes like this, are clearly evident - so using racism tactic in a defence will hardly be a moral struggle for the individual. and its these people that also fck it up for the victims of genuine racist crimes also.
again its obvious the media sensationailsm used for income generation has played a significant role in where we are today - yet another exapmle of the damage they knowingly consistantly do, safe in the knowledge that there earning lots of money and have no worry of reprisal.
its all too obvious there is a ingrained "fear" of being branded a racist felt by many, including people in power or significant influence to laws/punishments being changed to a more common sense approach.
its swung from one extreme to the other it seems, a middle ground needs to be found where relevant comments about race or religion can be aired with fear of reprisal. racism is not acceptable imo, neither is the position we are in now.
the problem is, the people who commit any offence and are of a minority ethnic group consistantly use the "race card" in there defence. the morals of people commiting serious crimes like this, are clearly evident - so using racism tactic in a defence will hardly be a moral struggle for the individual. and its these people that also fck it up for the victims of genuine racist crimes also.
again its obvious the media sensationailsm used for income generation has played a significant role in where we are today - yet another exapmle of the damage they knowingly consistantly do, safe in the knowledge that there earning lots of money and have no worry of reprisal.
10 May 2012, 03:45 PM
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I am appalled and truly saddened by this.
Even more shocking is the fact that one of the crims tried playing the race card. Well HELLO Mr Peado! WTF were you expecting? A pat on the back!
Apparently his family have received a bit of racism. Well you should have thought about that before shouldn’t you!!! Plus a few names is nothing compared to what you dished out to said youngsters. Is it at al surprising that resentment towards us is growing at an alarming scale when we have creeps like this lot within our midst? How tolerant should Mr Joe Bloggs white guy be?
His defence, I mean WTF! How embarrassing is it to try and desperately clutch at the last straw trying to bring Nick Griffin into it. You look pathetic man! Just tell you clients to lube up and leave it at that.
Let's turn the cards around. We are all in Pakistan and white people move into our country. Some of these white people have formed little gangs and groom our young poor Pakistani girls using drugs and drink. How long would we tolerate it for? I doubt it more than 24 hours. They would be hung out to dry with their ***** in their mouths. Would we be open minded and see these little gangs for what they are or would we paint the whole white community with one broad brush. I think the answer to this is one which we wouldn't want to admit to. The fact that even the right wing in this country are letting the pathetic law system deal with these ***** rather than stringing them out to dry is a credit to the indigenous people of Britain.
Why were these guys and many more like this able to operate in this way without detection from local friends and family. Could it be that we as the Pakistani Muslim community are suffering ostrich syndrome with our heads firmly buried in Britain’s concrete just wishing the problem would go away. Unfortunately the problem is not going to go away at all. Unless we are been seen to do something about 'our' issues then it is only a matter of time before the hosting populous deal with it for us. Unfortunately often in these scenarios those on the receiving end of a backlash are never the crims but Joe Pakistani Muslim guy on his way to work will be.
Now as Mr Singh from Walsall mentioned above why are these gangs mostly or perhaps always of Pakistani origin in the first place? If i was a gambling type i would put my finger on there origins being from Mirpur or Azad Kashmir.
Anyway, i'm peeved... more later!!
Even more shocking is the fact that one of the crims tried playing the race card. Well HELLO Mr Peado! WTF were you expecting? A pat on the back!
Apparently his family have received a bit of racism. Well you should have thought about that before shouldn’t you!!! Plus a few names is nothing compared to what you dished out to said youngsters. Is it at al surprising that resentment towards us is growing at an alarming scale when we have creeps like this lot within our midst? How tolerant should Mr Joe Bloggs white guy be?
His defence, I mean WTF! How embarrassing is it to try and desperately clutch at the last straw trying to bring Nick Griffin into it. You look pathetic man! Just tell you clients to lube up and leave it at that.
Let's turn the cards around. We are all in Pakistan and white people move into our country. Some of these white people have formed little gangs and groom our young poor Pakistani girls using drugs and drink. How long would we tolerate it for? I doubt it more than 24 hours. They would be hung out to dry with their ***** in their mouths. Would we be open minded and see these little gangs for what they are or would we paint the whole white community with one broad brush. I think the answer to this is one which we wouldn't want to admit to. The fact that even the right wing in this country are letting the pathetic law system deal with these ***** rather than stringing them out to dry is a credit to the indigenous people of Britain.
Why were these guys and many more like this able to operate in this way without detection from local friends and family. Could it be that we as the Pakistani Muslim community are suffering ostrich syndrome with our heads firmly buried in Britain’s concrete just wishing the problem would go away. Unfortunately the problem is not going to go away at all. Unless we are been seen to do something about 'our' issues then it is only a matter of time before the hosting populous deal with it for us. Unfortunately often in these scenarios those on the receiving end of a backlash are never the crims but Joe Pakistani Muslim guy on his way to work will be.
Now as Mr Singh from Walsall mentioned above why are these gangs mostly or perhaps always of Pakistani origin in the first place? If i was a gambling type i would put my finger on there origins being from Mirpur or Azad Kashmir.
Anyway, i'm peeved... more later!!
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i agree shaid,
its all too obvious there is a ingrained "fear" of being branded a racist felt by many, including people in power or significant influence to laws/punishments being changed to a more common sense approach.
its swung from one extreme to the other it seems, a middle ground needs to be found where relevant comments about race or religion can be aired with fear of reprisal. racism is not acceptable imo, neither is the position we are in now.
the problem is, the people who commit any offence and are of a minority ethnic group consistantly use the "race card" in there defence. the morals of people commiting serious crimes like this, are clearly evident - so using racism tactic in a defence will hardly be a moral struggle for the individual. and its these people that also fck it up for the victims of genuine racist crimes also.
again its obvious the media sensationailsm used for income generation has played a significant role in where we are today - yet another exapmle of the damage they knowingly consistantly do, safe in the knowledge that there earning lots of money and have no worry of reprisal.
its all too obvious there is a ingrained "fear" of being branded a racist felt by many, including people in power or significant influence to laws/punishments being changed to a more common sense approach.
its swung from one extreme to the other it seems, a middle ground needs to be found where relevant comments about race or religion can be aired with fear of reprisal. racism is not acceptable imo, neither is the position we are in now.
the problem is, the people who commit any offence and are of a minority ethnic group consistantly use the "race card" in there defence. the morals of people commiting serious crimes like this, are clearly evident - so using racism tactic in a defence will hardly be a moral struggle for the individual. and its these people that also fck it up for the victims of genuine racist crimes also.
again its obvious the media sensationailsm used for income generation has played a significant role in where we are today - yet another exapmle of the damage they knowingly consistantly do, safe in the knowledge that there earning lots of money and have no worry of reprisal.
Let's make playing the race card an illegal offence
Why not? Those who have a genuine case will want to have it heard and for those who are just 'playing the card' they can lube up during their trial. I think that's sensible.
Moving on and let's turn it the other way round again. We are in Pakistan and all these white folk who have come over, tried (according to the press) banning Eid, opening pubs all over the place, preaching hatred to the country which provides for them and their families not to mention abusing our brave soldiers who have gone to rip a new *** for the French. Well these white guys who have been abusing the local poor Pakistani village girls are untouchable by the police as the police do not want anyone to accuse them of being racist. WTF! (again). White guys are gang raping local girls and the police won't do anything because they are feared of being branded racist.
So effing what? Big deal if they are branded racist, if it means being racist to protect our own youngsters from these vile rapist scum then so be it! Oh, but we can't do that as there are a load of Pakistani parasites (lawyers, human rights brigade) who will defend these scum against our interests and more importantly against our safety!
Back in reality.
I can genuinely understand why people will/are shifting to the right. It is the letting down of those who we elect who in turn protect those that are not in our interests.
Seriously, i think god didn't make me white in case i turned out to an extreme nationalist.
In the eyes of the world right now Britain is looking like an absolute joke. Our credibility is shrinking quicker than (something that shrinks really fast).
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Shaid, your comments are outstanding 
I know you all detest the Daily Fail, but there was brilliant write up by Mohammed Shafia, who said very similar to Shaid.
It's heart warming to know everyone is up in arms about these disgusting, ugly, old scumbags.
I hope their first night in jail was eventful.
I know you all detest the Daily Fail, but there was brilliant write up by Mohammed Shafia, who said very similar to Shaid.
It's heart warming to know everyone is up in arms about these disgusting, ugly, old scumbags.
I hope their first night in jail was eventful.
10 May 2012, 04:58 PM
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Shaid - much respect to a Pakistani guy who is calling a spade a spade
My best mate is Pakistani and he agrees too.
We need more like minded people like you. However - some of the lads I hear stories about are not from Mirpur or AK but from places like Gujjarkhan (SP??). What's the difference you think of mindsets from these places to be sure of their origin?
My best mate is Pakistani and he agrees too.
We need more like minded people like you. However - some of the lads I hear stories about are not from Mirpur or AK but from places like Gujjarkhan (SP??). What's the difference you think of mindsets from these places to be sure of their origin?
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Shaid - much respect to a Pakistani guy who is calling a spade a spade
My best mate is Pakistani and he agrees too.
We need more like minded people like you. However - some of the lads I hear stories about are not from Mirpur or AK but from places like Gujjarkhan (SP??). What's the difference you think of mindsets from these places to be sure of their origin?
My best mate is Pakistani and he agrees too.
We need more like minded people like you. However - some of the lads I hear stories about are not from Mirpur or AK but from places like Gujjarkhan (SP??). What's the difference you think of mindsets from these places to be sure of their origin?
Interesting hearing about the Gujjer guy but as i have no knowledge of Gujjs i can't comment. Nevertheless we all know that the the Mirpur and AK lot are behind a lot of brown crime in Birmingham at least anyway. As for their mindset, i can't put my finger on it. There is a sense of entitlement, i'm better than you mentality and if they believed in re-incarnation in their previous lives they would have come from the Caribbean. Their attitude towards women in general leaves a lot to be desired, the attitude towards non Pakistani Muslims leaves a lot to be desired, even i've been given the cold shoulder a few times because i apparently looked Indian. Just crap people really with large boulders on their shoulders. Racism towards white people and Indians is rife. People who simply fail at accepting criticism and acting upon it. People who will always maintain that they are the victims and society is racist towards them and you know what, who can be surprised if society is racist against them, they bought it upon themselves. It's just a shame they have to drag the rest of us down with them!
10 May 2012, 07:42 PM
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Hey SSS, trust me i'm not all goody two shoes, if i aired my views about the american army i would get banned!
Interesting hearing about the Gujjer guy but as i have no knowledge of Gujjs i can't comment. Nevertheless we all know that the the Mirpur and AK lot are behind a lot of brown crime in Birmingham at least anyway. As for their mindset, i can't put my finger on it. There is a sense of entitlement, i'm better than you mentality and if they believed in re-incarnation in their previous lives they would have come from the Caribbean. Their attitude towards women in general leaves a lot to be desired, the attitude towards non Pakistani Muslims leaves a lot to be desired, even i've been given the cold shoulder a few times because i apparently looked Indian. Just crap people really with large boulders on their shoulders. Racism towards white people and Indians is rife. People who simply fail at accepting criticism and acting upon it. People who will always maintain that they are the victims and society is racist towards them and you know what, who can be surprised if society is racist against them, they bought it upon themselves. It's just a shame they have to drag the rest of us down with them!
Interesting hearing about the Gujjer guy but as i have no knowledge of Gujjs i can't comment. Nevertheless we all know that the the Mirpur and AK lot are behind a lot of brown crime in Birmingham at least anyway. As for their mindset, i can't put my finger on it. There is a sense of entitlement, i'm better than you mentality and if they believed in re-incarnation in their previous lives they would have come from the Caribbean. Their attitude towards women in general leaves a lot to be desired, the attitude towards non Pakistani Muslims leaves a lot to be desired, even i've been given the cold shoulder a few times because i apparently looked Indian. Just crap people really with large boulders on their shoulders. Racism towards white people and Indians is rife. People who simply fail at accepting criticism and acting upon it. People who will always maintain that they are the victims and society is racist towards them and you know what, who can be surprised if society is racist against them, they bought it upon themselves. It's just a shame they have to drag the rest of us down with them!
Castigate those who deserve it but stop tarring all Mirpuris with the same brush. Has it been confirmed where those involved in this case are from? I haven't heard anything yet you seem convinced. For the record Gujjarkhan is only a few miles from Mirpur. Being so well informed I would expect you to know this.
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some good points from shaid,
although i wouldnt agree with the severity of some of your ideas, i do agree with some of the sentiment.
einsten i didnt really pick up what you seem to have from shaids post tbh - i didnt get a sense of him profiling anything. just my 2p lol
although i wouldnt agree with the severity of some of your ideas, i do agree with some of the sentiment.
einsten i didnt really pick up what you seem to have from shaids post tbh - i didnt get a sense of him profiling anything. just my 2p lol
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He's playing a dangerous game using syllogistic arguments. Infact it's bordering on sycophancy. It's akin to me saying everyone from Wales is an in bred sheep ******* or all Scots are drunk, illiterate idiots. Basing my narrow minded and bigoted view on limited experience and circumspect hearsay.
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yeah i agree it probably could have been put across bit better, but i thought i understood his point without it tainting my veiw of people.
wheres he has generalised about a large number of people - i dont interperate that as a literal fact.
i apply my own logic and level of understanding to draw a conclusion.
i can see why someone could feel what you do, its an emotive topic - just my personality wouldnt result in the same feeling towards a generalisation, hence my interpretation
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He's playing a dangerous game using syllogistic arguments. Infact it's bordering on sycophancy. It's akin to me saying everyone from Wales is an in bred sheep ******* or all Scots are drunk, illiterate idiots. Basing my narrow minded and bigoted view on limited experience and circumspect hearsay.
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What you have said is way over my head. Oh and Shaid ignored my praise of his comments, anyway
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Whilst I agree with your sentiments about the perpetrators and the general disillusionment of law and punishment, you seem to be a little critical of Mirpuris. Any reason for this? Where does your heritage lie? I'm from Mirpur, infact I was born there. I've been on this board for a lot of years and a lot of people will confirm I don't fit your typical Mirpuri profile.
Castigate those who deserve it but stop tarring all Mirpuris with the same brush. Has it been confirmed where those involved in this case are from? I haven't heard anything yet you seem convinced. For the record Gujjarkhan is only a few miles from Mirpur. Being so well informed I would expect you to know this.
Castigate those who deserve it but stop tarring all Mirpuris with the same brush. Has it been confirmed where those involved in this case are from? I haven't heard anything yet you seem convinced. For the record Gujjarkhan is only a few miles from Mirpur. Being so well informed I would expect you to know this.
I had a little crunch on the weekend. Some guy drove into the back of me, bashed his car good and proper whilst my Shogun came out unscathed. I checked with the guy if he's okay which he was and left him to it as my car was absolutely fine and the crunch being entirely his fault. When mentioning it to friends and family my MP friends told me to pull a whippy claim whilst all others told me to be grateful i was absolutely fine. In fact my MP friends called me stupid for not pulling a fake whiplash claim. It is the fraudulent and criminal intent that seems to be flourishing within MP circles that grates my cheese. Why does the rest of the Pakistani populous not seem to have the same problem. Let's ask ourselves why does the rest of the Pakistani populous look down at us in one way or another.
Now when this story broke out about some 'Asian' peado gang everybody with two or more brain cells knew the culprits would be Muslim & Pakistani. Why is that? Is it profiling? Everybody is a racist? No, it's common knowledge that the culprits are most likely to be Muslim and Pakistani. Everyone was keen to point that out and i'm sure the rest of the Asians (Hindu's and Sikhs) do not want the Asian label used as it applies to them too. Do i blame them, not a single iota. If these guys are not MP then i will eat humble pie and apologise for being such a bigot however what are the chances of them being MP. Quite high IMO. As for the Gujjer being so close to MP land, thanks. I never knew however it does go to some length in trying to understand the mentality.
Normal Pakistani's are sick to the back teeth due to the actions of a certain number of MPs'. Granted one could say they are a minority of MPs' being naughty however the number of MPs' compared to the rest of the Pakistani origin populous involved in shady going ons seems to be an over-representation.
It is not racist or tarring anyone with a broad brush to point the finger directly at the culprit and not allow the culprit to use the Asian banner as a wall to hind behind. Similarly i don't think they should use the Pakistani banner either.
Lets look at it another way (back to Pakistan again). We are in Pakistan and these white people have been upto no good. It appears that those who have been upto no good originate from Doncaster. Do you think the rest of the English immigrants would want the naughty lot from Doncaster to be associated with them? Not a chance. It would be in the English immigrants interests to highlight these people and give them the boot.
It is in everyone's interest that the people responsible for said crimes are highlighted. Everything about them needs to come out. So let it come out.
Lee247 - I didn't ignore your comments - Cheers
11 May 2012, 03:28 AM
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He's playing a dangerous game using syllogistic arguments. Infact it's bordering on sycophancy. It's akin to me saying everyone from Wales is an in bred sheep ******* or all Scots are drunk, illiterate idiots. Basing my narrow minded and bigoted view on limited experience and circumspect hearsay.
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I hope you understand that my views are never made up of little exposure, hearsay or limited experience. Put it this way. I live in an apparent BNP area. I chose to live there knowing what the area can be like. I could only afford to live in BNP type or Asian areas only. With the BNP area my wife has never been harassed on the way to work or whilst driving to work. When living in the Asian area my wife often came home upset about some road rage or harassment she received. Need i say any more?
11 May 2012, 09:46 AM
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Thanks for clarifying things a little further.
I understand your fustration when incidents involving Pakistani individuals surface in the media, it's a case of 'oh no not again'. One cannot but feel ashamed and slighty guilty just by ethnic association.
Sexual exploitation of females is not something new, it's been happening since time immemorial. In places like Thailand it froms part of the backbone of the tourist economy. Even here in the UK, thousands of women and girls (a lot of them underage) are brought in to the country to work as prostitutes. It's a sad reflection of our society but a stark reality nonetheless.
Another decline I've personally noticed over the last three decades is the loss of childhood and innocence. With the constant bombardment via TV, films and various other media. Children's language, dress code and general behaviour has become incosistent with their age. Maybe I'm being a fuddy duddy but I see young girls of twelve and thirteen dressed in a manner that makes them appear much older. Often driving down the Batley Golden Mile and passing the various clubs and bars, I'm gobsmacked at the clothing or lack thereof on some of the females. I'm not suggesting that this gives licence for sexual predators to do what the want but the lack of modesty is worrying.
I understand your fustration when incidents involving Pakistani individuals surface in the media, it's a case of 'oh no not again'. One cannot but feel ashamed and slighty guilty just by ethnic association.
Sexual exploitation of females is not something new, it's been happening since time immemorial. In places like Thailand it froms part of the backbone of the tourist economy. Even here in the UK, thousands of women and girls (a lot of them underage) are brought in to the country to work as prostitutes. It's a sad reflection of our society but a stark reality nonetheless.
Another decline I've personally noticed over the last three decades is the loss of childhood and innocence. With the constant bombardment via TV, films and various other media. Children's language, dress code and general behaviour has become incosistent with their age. Maybe I'm being a fuddy duddy but I see young girls of twelve and thirteen dressed in a manner that makes them appear much older. Often driving down the Batley Golden Mile and passing the various clubs and bars, I'm gobsmacked at the clothing or lack thereof on some of the females. I'm not suggesting that this gives licence for sexual predators to do what the want but the lack of modesty is worrying.
11 May 2012, 09:53 AM
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I don't understand all of this Maz. I hope I haven't offended you in any way. I just saw Shaid, who I believed to be of Pakistani decent, agreeing the scumbags in question, need sorting without all this ***** footing around, about racism.
What you have said is way over my head. Oh and Shaid ignored my praise of his comments, anyway
What you have said is way over my head. Oh and Shaid ignored my praise of his comments, anyway
I'm not offended at all. I was having a bit of bad day yesterday (back woes again!) and reading Shaid's post which I slightly misinterpreted set me off. I do agree with Shaid about the implications of these incidents and perhaps there is a little media sensationalism, but there's no smoke without fire. To quote someone 'all it takes for evil to flourish is good men to stand by and do nothing'.
