Nope. I think you will find that the entire resources of the US and UK Govt. have been directed against 'Islamism' for at least nine years now. And they have only made it worse.

A political issue needs a political resolution, end of.

As far as the handful of homegrown nutcases we have that fall into this category, you do them too much service by giving so much of your time against them and their cause, much as the press in this country do.

Otherwise your club sounds great, just don't think I will fit in with your mates! LOL!

Asif

 

Hi James,

On 'sidestepping', as you have raised it, care to comment on how a certain friend of yours on here seems to sidestep every question put to him?

Any view on his apologist and highly defensive attitude toward one of the nastiest regimes of the civilised, democratic, World?

Thanks.

Asif

 

Well, I agree with Tony. As I've always stated, and do so without apology or hesitation, my allegiance is to Great Britain. There will always be a global hegemony and my homeland is best served with the US at the helm. We had our time, now it's that of our cousins across the pond and I'm glad it's them and not Russia, China or one of the nations whose political systems are rooted in the supernatural.

Who would you have as the dominant nation, Asif?

 

No one.

You didn't answer my questions though James. I asked what YOU thought of your friends 100% consistent sidestepping please, also what you thought of his defence of and attitude on Israel?

Thanks

Asif

 

Are there not other forums that specialise in this type of discussion?

It seems that you only ever post provocative information, probably just to get a reaction!

Why such negativity?

 

No one? You've either not read Orwell or you're an idealogue. Alternatively, you recognise that answering the question will see your position collapse so you've opted instead to offer an incredible response. The lesser of two evils.

Regarding your squabbles with Tony, I think you're as bad as each other. Regarding his position on Israel, I've not formulated an opinion. However, they are allied to my country so they would garner my support over an enemy.

 

Just don't click, DoZZy.

 

Not a question you are likely to get an answer to I am afraid. It doesn't do answers to the difficult questions.

 

That shouldn't surprise you, David. As an example, look at the kind of abuse meted out to me for daring to challenge Islamism. People and institutions are terrified of discussing adversely anything involving race or religion because the f1_fans of the world will jump on it and spin it to suit thier own agenda and the hard of thnking will struggle to see through it.

There are cultural differences - some good, some bad. Let's discuss the good and the bad without having to constantly watch our backs for the PC snipers of the world.

 

I am not the one with an agenda here Taylor.

You and especially your sidekick have brought a lot of ill feeling to this forum and yes I do know that is a fact, not just conjecture on my part.

You may genuinely not realise it (although I think you know exactly what you are doing), and if not then maybe have a look at why that might be.

 

True,

Solution from Islaam = Get married earlier.

My parents are Pakistani and they would've been horrified if I ever managed to get myself a girlfriend, but at the same time they didn't want me to get married until I had a degree, good job, car, house...............
The two cultures mixing in a way that leads to very horny Pakistinians.

My little'un will be getting married as soon as he has a bit of facial hair (he's about 18 months old right now)

 

shouldnt be too long now before his facial here comes out, you should start the search now nice and early

 

1+

it just never stops im not even asian and all i see is islam and asians topics been posted. it nice to discuss opinions and challenge each other in a respectful manner. there are people on here that put there points across in the right manner and they get respect for it, then you get the ignorant ones that just cant wait to irritate and get a reaction. Im all for discussing things in the right way though as many on here.

 

The basic point surely is that this is a serious offence whoever does such a thing.

What we really need is a firmer government with a strong leader who is not frightened of taking positive action against such behaviour regardlees of the ever present PC question.

Egregious behaviour deserves the sort of penalty which makes it unwise to commit and the innocent members of the public deserve proper protection.

Les

 

Yay, I've learnt a new word - thanks Les! (actually thought it was a spelling mistake, lol!)

 

Sallam Asif.

Hope you and the family are okay. Sometimes I also feel I'm constantly repeating myself. However often one has to state 'the bleeding obvious' as silence may be misconstrued as condoning such behaviour. Of course any sane person would never condone such acts but the symbolic condemnation is often necessary. As someone with a different ethnic background to the indiginous population I do think my ilk is under the microscope rightly or wrongly. When incidents occur involving Asians/muslims I do get a sense of 'not again!' Perhaps I need to change my mindset and stop feeling ashamed for the actions of others. After all I don't think Myra Hindley and Fred West are typical representations of Caucasians.
I wouldn't lose sleep over those whose opinions differ. This is the internet after all, you're going to get people on here with left and right wing views.
Dialogue and debate is the only way to deal with the differing opinions. Often we can agree to disagree without recourse to insults.

 

Jack Straw is firmly from the left (far-left in his early years). Vast swathes of public intellectuals condemning Islamism and elements of Islam are also from and/or of the left.

 

Evening James, Jack Straw does come across as a generally okay bloke. Although the expenses scandal left him with egg on his face.
Islamism is a romantic notion for those who choose to support it. I am not one of them.

 

It needs to be about equality. If one specific group is committing crimes against another then it should be addressed without fear of being labelled racist. Brushing aside the issue leads to more of the 'them and us' mentality IMO.

The people responsible are scum whatever colour, religion or nationality they are.

 

I have read 1984 and Animal Farm, both good books, points well made. However I am not sure of the meaning of the judgement you have jumped to? Why would anyone want the domination of one country over the rest of the World, hmm...sounds familiar...somewhere in history methinks.

And why would my position collapse??

The Cold War is an excellent example of where no one country dominated the rest of the World and to be honest, I felt a lot safer back then!

As regards to your friend, I am insulted that you would even insinuate that I am anything like him, please don't do that again. At least I answer questions put to me.

Also, I didn't ask you your opinion of me, I asked you about his sidestepping every issue and point put to him. How many more times would you like me to ask you James?

As for supporting Israel because they are allies, well so is Saudi Arabia, home of Bin Laden and Wahhabism. In case you didn't know Wahhabism is the most evil form of Islamism there is.

I am confused.

 

I totally agree.

 

Are you American?
It's just that I am hard pressed to think of any other country that would describe itself as allied to Israel.
Y'all have a nice day.

 

Its a really useful word! I have used it quite a bit since I learned it like you just have. Very expressive.

Les

 

Interesting read:

Paedophilia 'culturally accepted in south Afghanistan'

"American social scientists employed to help troops understand the local culture reported that homosexual sex was widespread among the Pashtun ethnic group in southern Afghanistan."

"The study, called 'Pashtun Sexuality', said that as well as willing sex between young men, "boys are appreciated for physical beauty and apprenticed to older men for their sexual initiation".

The practice of 'bache bazi' or boy play, is known throughout Afghanistan, but is particularly renowned in the city of Kandahar next to Helmand, where prepubescent boys are widely admired."

 

It's to do with 'face culture' I think, that also and a repressive attitude to sexuality.

Keep all of your 'vices' outside of the 'community', your house, your family etc and nobody cares about the stuff you get up to 'away'. 'Face culture' - not about integrity etc more about etiquette...the 'front' you present.

'Angel at home, devil outside the house etc'.

It's dysfunctional, institutionalised hypocrisy almost.

 

Your comments are quite disgusting, you are essentially saying that these women are to blame for being abused for the way they dress or act.

You sound like you have some issues with women.

 

I have only one word to describe your personality.

TWISTED

 

I didn't write the article and I don't think it condones said behavior. It's investigative journalism.

 

FAO OF TDW

To quote f1_fan

Why won't you aswer the question?

Here it is again at it clealry includes why I am asking it.

Look Tony you seem to leap on any piece of press that shows Muslims or Pakistanis in a bad light and the real question is why is that?

So perhaps just for once you can answer that question in simple terms. We are all ears! Do not sidestep this one as to do so could well mean people draw their own conclusions if you see what I mean.