I think you make a good point, it is right that people discuss thse issues and bring them to the open, however, Jack Straw is/was a very senior politician.

Because of his history and position he must have been made aware of this issue in the past, but as politicians do, he kept silent. Why is he now speaking up? Just jumping on the bandwagon, or as J4CKO suggested, he is going demob happy with all of the accompanying premature senility it seems to generate.

I assume he is expecting a peerage, perhaps some people don't want him to...?

 

It's disgraceful. Can you tell us why your GF got abuse, because she was female and white? Makes me cringe.

 

Sad but true.

 

People forget that the primary role of newspapers is to sell copies, first and foremost.

To inform is secondary to that. Nick Ferrari on LBC has openly admitted that he completely made stories up, in order to keep his job and to sell newspapers, when he was at The Sun. He won't be the only one, the way he describes it is to be endemic.

 

'nogood' - did you think that up yourself i wonder, the nights must just fly by at your place - hardly warmed up more shot your load if playing with someone's name is the best you can manage Rannoch, Trout or whatever you call yourself i will always think you you as king-**** as the name fits you so well

Run along now, there's a good boy!

 

Yes I know and that is what is wriong with the press or more importantly the UK legal system.

They print what they like and when they do get sued they only have to pay out a fraction of what their story full of lies made them and print an apology on page 27 underneath the greyhound results.

The legal system needs to hit them hard for their lies so thay are forced to get back to reporting the facts rather than making crap up about celebrities and demonising various sections of the population.

What saddens me is the way so many swallow their lies and propaganda as fact as the view towards Muslims on these threads shows.

 

Asif, Sinitta was the sister of the guy that lived next door to my parents in Heald Green, Cheshire, they were the only Asian family on the road, still are and still live there, they are Hindu's, Nusrat I am not sure about where she lived but went to my School on the outskirts of Manchester, again, not at the time a huge Asian community, the area was mainly Jewish as were a lot of my mates at school. I think most of it was wishful thinking on my part !

 

Agree wholeheartedly with what you say about libel and the papers pretty much getting away with it.

i saw the reports on this case in the press and at first glance yes they are Muslim men and yes it would be easy (and wrong) to go off on a All Muslim men are paedos and rape little white girls because they can. However the facts speak for themselves - a section of the Muslim community see this as acceptable - this needs dealing with. many white men also groom children for sex - some Cahtolic priests being a prime example of this vile behaviour and religion plays a part in this too - or a twisted version with religious figures in positions of trust abusing the trust and children for thier own perverted ends.

No one should cry racism or blame religion it should be out in the open and dealt with accordingly - .This is evil men of any colour creed and religious beliefs.

 

No rapist, whether native British, Asian,African, or whatever you like, deserves any special treatment with regard to publicity etc. when it come to such shameful offences.

Les

 

In my opinion, because they want to. That's why you get so many threads like this on SN and so many 'contributors' to it.

On the positive side people like the OP are almost universally disliked on here, which is good too. He will go away eventually.

 

Thanks J4CKO. I have no real comment because, as you say, not large communities.

I actually have relatives in Longsight, Manchester, but am glad to say, they do not seem to follow the stereotypical picture of Mancunian (or other Northern) Pakistanis.

All my cousins are allowed to have partners of whatever background they choose, the eldest having just married a girl, who I think was Mexican (I never asked)

I genuinely feel that times have moved on in this regard.

You could argue that this case highlights not traditional Pakistani/Muslim morals, as some would have us believe, but actually a more modern malaise.

 

Yep this was a few years ago though when tensions were running high. It does feel more secular up there though compared to London and the sarrrf.

 

Seems to be a genuine dislike bewteen you two guys?

 

More like rough and tumble banter than a genuine dislike - Trout needs keeping in his place from time to time and i am easily capable and willing to do so.

I do dislike sweaties however so **** off

 

Pent up sexual frustration more like.

 

You wish - you *******!

surprised you find the time to post on here since discovering www.big_boys_in_boots.com

 

Cool.

Oh, and I eat sassenachs with my porridge, so watch it!

 

Heald Green isn't in Cheshire, it Greater Manchester.

 

Link doesn't work.

 

You are right, few yards off being Cheshire.

 

I think JACKO is quite aware of where he lives/lived.

Maybe hes lived there so long he still puts Cheshire on his address. I know I do.

SetoN

 

I made it up - if you would like some links to boy on boy action then pm KoT as i am sure he will be more than happy to share

 

Well i recently moved from Hanforth (Cheshire) to 5 minutes down the road to Heald Green (Greater Manchester) and all my insurances went up £100, that's the difference.

 

Interesting thread.....

 

You're argument is all straw, The Times simpily provided some statstics which show an over-representation and you attack an argument (the straw man) that all the people from one particular religion must be guilty...seemingly because of this 'agenda' which - you believe - the establisement supposedly has to demonise people of this particular religion.

You are showing signs of paranioa.

If you want you could refute the Times statistics with some research of prosecutions since 1997, but I guess - given that the Times' statistics are most likely correct - it is easier to play the victim and blame 'agendas'?

 

I think Jack Straw pointed out that the majority of these gangs are asian, hence the reference to asian men of Pakistani origin.
Saying that, having had a laugh at 4 asian guys in a car last night who drove past a pub where a man and a woman were having a kiss outside, beeped their horn several times then shot off down the road sort of shows an issue with some aspects of the mentality of a minority

Tony

 

I am not refuting their statistics as well you know, just saying that they have chosen their statistics carefully to make a point. You have of course ignored that post as it does not suit your agenda.

Look Tony you seem to leap on any piece of press that shows Muslims or Pakistanis in a bad light and the real question is why is that?

So perhaps just for once you can answer that question in simple terms. We are all ears! Do not sidestep this one as to do so could well mean people draw their own conclusions if you see what I mean.

 

Thanks for quoting TDW as I have him on ignore, I would also like an answer to the question you have posed once and for all........

 

Yes it should be....illluminating

 

Is it a valid point or not then?

Maybe you would like the statistics presented in another way to suit your aganda?