Views on HIDs.
18 January 2011, 08:59 AM
#181
But you can clearly see two things on dip:
Firstly, the cutoff is flat, without the kick up to the left, and
Secondly, there IS loads of scatter, that's what the horizontal bands ABOVE the cutoff are.
The main beam shot displays the same problem, there is almost EXACTLY the same beam pattern as the dips, with the same evidence of scatter, just higher up
Yes, they ARE going to be brighter, but at a cost to other road users.
Firstly, the cutoff is flat, without the kick up to the left, and
Secondly, there IS loads of scatter, that's what the horizontal bands ABOVE the cutoff are.
The main beam shot displays the same problem, there is almost EXACTLY the same beam pattern as the dips, with the same evidence of scatter, just higher up
Yes, they ARE going to be brighter, but at a cost to other road users.
What is it with Japanese cars & poor head lights? ...do they have street lighting everywhere in Japan?
18 January 2011, 07:28 PM
#182
Burbling1 - were these HIDs fitted into normal lights? were they H4 HIDs? or something else? They look really good and dont seem to have the loads of "scatter" that I thought they would have!
Have you got crystal lights or some sort of projector lights and lastly any chance of a link to the HID seller on ebay?
Thanks
Have you got crystal lights or some sort of projector lights and lastly any chance of a link to the HID seller on ebay?
Thanks
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
18 January 2011, 07:45 PM
#183
But you can clearly see two things on dip:
Firstly, the cutoff is flat, without the kick up to the left, and
Secondly, there IS loads of scatter, that's what the horizontal bands ABOVE the cutoff are.
The main beam shot displays the same problem, there is almost EXACTLY the same beam pattern as the dips, with the same evidence of scatter, just higher up
Yes, they ARE going to be brighter, but at a cost to other road users.
Firstly, the cutoff is flat, without the kick up to the left, and
Secondly, there IS loads of scatter, that's what the horizontal bands ABOVE the cutoff are.
The main beam shot displays the same problem, there is almost EXACTLY the same beam pattern as the dips, with the same evidence of scatter, just higher up
Yes, they ARE going to be brighter, but at a cost to other road users.
As for the main beam being the same a dip but higher that is correct, but then again the 197 is the same his lift but not as much as mine and he has 2 other bulbs which come on with full beam and to be honest on there own there dogger.
20 January 2011, 08:28 PM
#184
finally took some pics.
dipped beam
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main beam
the main beams could maybe require aligning to a more cental position for the purists but i find them more than adequate when driving on country lanes
dipped beam
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the main beams could maybe require aligning to a more cental position for the purists but i find them more than adequate when driving on country lanes
Last edited by the watchman; 20 January 2011 at 08:30 PM. Reason: inserted wrong image codes
20 January 2011, 08:44 PM
#185
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they are poo i had some for past 6 months and as i pickt my car up getting a dccd controler fitted they told me my car woz on fire the black box just set on fire nearly lost 15g
20 January 2011, 08:54 PM
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Those lights are not very good, I have had some fitted for the last 6 months. I am getting DCCD fitted and the garage told me the little black box had caught fire. I nearly lost fifteen thousand pounds...
21 January 2011, 11:35 AM
#190
Hello burbling, yes I read your comment, but his AREN'T factory fitted, they are from the states.
All the cars I've ever driven here with factrory fit HIDs have the kick up to the left.
Maybe it's being done away with to allow cheap left/right usage?
But if so, why do the sites in the USA, selling these things, ask if you want right-, or left-hand drive? If there's no difference?
All the cars I've ever driven here with factrory fit HIDs have the kick up to the left.
Maybe it's being done away with to allow cheap left/right usage?
But if so, why do the sites in the USA, selling these things, ask if you want right-, or left-hand drive? If there's no difference?
21 January 2011, 02:43 PM
#191
Hello burbling, yes I read your comment, but his AREN'T factory fitted, they are from the states.
All the cars I've ever driven here with factrory fit HIDs have the kick up to the left.
Maybe it's being done away with to allow cheap left/right usage?
But if so, why do the sites in the USA, selling these things, ask if you want right-, or left-hand drive? If there's no difference?
All the cars I've ever driven here with factrory fit HIDs have the kick up to the left.
Maybe it's being done away with to allow cheap left/right usage?
But if so, why do the sites in the USA, selling these things, ask if you want right-, or left-hand drive? If there's no difference?
what sites m8???
sedge
21 January 2011, 02:52 PM
#192
http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy...7438fb088773d1
The one I've enquired at, Retrofit-Source, pretty good by all accounts, has/had a section about L/R dip.
IF the dip cutoff is flat, as above, why would they ask?
Bro in law has projector dips on his Jag, cutoff is PIN sharp and kicks up to the left.
The one I've enquired at, Retrofit-Source, pretty good by all accounts, has/had a section about L/R dip.
IF the dip cutoff is flat, as above, why would they ask?
Bro in law has projector dips on his Jag, cutoff is PIN sharp and kicks up to the left.
21 January 2011, 02:59 PM
#193
http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy...7438fb088773d1
The one I've enquired at, Retrofit-Source, pretty good by all accounts, has/had a section about L/R dip.
IF the dip cutoff is flat, as above, why would they ask?
Bro in law has projector dips on his Jag, cutoff is PIN sharp and kicks up to the left.
The one I've enquired at, Retrofit-Source, pretty good by all accounts, has/had a section about L/R dip.
IF the dip cutoff is flat, as above, why would they ask?
Bro in law has projector dips on his Jag, cutoff is PIN sharp and kicks up to the left.
yeah see what you mean, i had the kit on my01 bugeye but took them off and got uprated bulbs instead, the bulbs are just as good as the hid's and the high beam is 10 times better
sedge
21 January 2011, 03:39 PM
#195
Alcazar - did you ever receive the fitting instructions from that ebay seller?
I'm thinking the only way to do this properly is to buy one of the complete projector kits from the retrofitsource.
I'm thinking the only way to do this properly is to buy one of the complete projector kits from the retrofitsource.
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21 January 2011, 05:51 PM
#198
I agree. I've sent a query over to the U.S. to ask some questions in relation to the most appropriate projector kit for GC8 lamps and so on.
21 January 2011, 07:04 PM
#199
Hello burbling, yes I read your comment, but his AREN'T factory fitted, they are from the states.
All the cars I've ever driven here with factrory fit HIDs have the kick up to the left.
Maybe it's being done away with to allow cheap left/right usage?
But if so, why do the sites in the USA, selling these things, ask if you want right-, or left-hand drive? If there's no difference?
All the cars I've ever driven here with factrory fit HIDs have the kick up to the left.
Maybe it's being done away with to allow cheap left/right usage?
But if so, why do the sites in the USA, selling these things, ask if you want right-, or left-hand drive? If there's no difference?
Your probably right everything that's built nowadays revolves around price with a small thought of quality.
If manufacturers are selling these then I presume its not a legal requirement to have a kickup.
22 January 2011, 12:37 AM
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Guys what side lights could you recommend to match 6k hids ?? multi led tower type ?? looking for pure white light as opposed to the blue that you often get with led type sidelights.
any ebay links ??
any ebay links ??
23 January 2011, 12:21 PM
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I have gone back to my old H4 bulbs already. Changed them back over a week ago. HID is deffo not for me. Scratched that itch! Sold them already.
They were much brighter to look at, yes. But I wanted them to put more light on the road which the HID's did not do.
So now I can speak with knowledge.
If you want to make your lights look brighter to everyone else then buy some H4 HID's, they do this very well indeed.
If you want more light on the road for your own use then buy some decent H4 focussd bulbs. The 55w Halfords set I have currently are pretty good.
I have just bought some Ring Rally 100w H4's, I wonder what these will be like
They were much brighter to look at, yes. But I wanted them to put more light on the road which the HID's did not do.
So now I can speak with knowledge.
If you want to make your lights look brighter to everyone else then buy some H4 HID's, they do this very well indeed.
If you want more light on the road for your own use then buy some decent H4 focussd bulbs. The 55w Halfords set I have currently are pretty good.
I have just bought some Ring Rally 100w H4's, I wonder what these will be like
23 January 2011, 01:21 PM
#206
Iffy. I guess not. Its certainly legal on a temporary basis at the very least. MOT beam pattens give a line where the "break point" for the kick-up should start, and an angle at which it must be at. but it does not define how high or low the kick-up has to be to the far left of break point (as the far left will not be seen on a beam tester). I assume the kick-up can go as high as you like so long as its at the correct angle.
We have a LHD Seat Altea with beam adpater stickers. Basically all this does is block the kick-up, so the dipped beams is a single level across the full witdth. Its pretty pants without the kickup, so I often resort to using the front foglamps to get better pavement/curb illumination on quiet unlit roads (when nobody is infront to annoy).
Many projectors just have a "step" as a kick up, so the beam kicks up to the left, but only up to a fixed point. As opposed to Fresnel lens headlamps fitted to classic Imprezas which often have a kick-up going to infinity (i.e the further left, the higher the beam). Its partially this reason why HIDs fitted in fresnel lens headlamps will dazzle traffic more on tight bends.
Some projectors actually have built in plates to block the kickup which are operated by a lever found behind a dust-proof cap. Operating this lever removes the kick up, so the car can be driven in other countries without dazzling oncomming traffic (and those infront via the rear view mirrors).
Notably BMW with projectors have this, but other cars with projector headlamps could also have this feature (our BMWs have them, My VW does not). Could your Clio infact have one of these levers thats been positioned in the wrong place? Eitherway a headlamp without good kick-up is rather poor in my opinion.
I've got some pics of various OEM beams against the the garage door to give a good reference of how it "should" be. But unfortunatly its camera phone as I've lost my camera. I can also get pics of a BMW with the kick up blocking levers operated (H7 halogen projector though) if anyone wants to see what I'm quacking on about.
23 January 2011, 01:45 PM
#207
Originally Posted by Ali-B
We have a LHD Seat Altea with beam adpater stickers. Basically all this does is block the kick-up, so the dipped beams is a single level across the full witdth. Its pretty pants without the kickup, so I often resort to using the front foglamps to get better pavement/curb illumination on quiet unlit roads (when nobody is infront to annoy).
I then end up using it's foglights, (or fogLIGHT, since the bulb has gone on one and it's a bumper-off job to replace it
), to illuminate the edges of country roads.
23 January 2011, 06:54 PM
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Guys, just fitted a set off hid lights to a toyota corolla, everything fine apart from the fact that when lights are switched on they are causing a very weak / no radio signal. looked on google and it would appear its not unheard off, have heard that using a relay harness can cure the problem, anyone in the know confirm if this harness could infact prevent the interfierence from the cars electrical system causing probs with radio reception ??
these relay harness easy enough to fit ?? one harness do both lights ??
these relay harness easy enough to fit ?? one harness do both lights ??
23 January 2011, 07:13 PM
#210
LOL, Yes a relay is easy to fit, but may not help, it depends on what sort of electronic control the kit has.
Basically, you want an on/off relay, and put it in between battery and the ballast.
85 from headlight main beam, 86 to earth.
30 FROM battery +ve, 87 to ballast/s
Basically, you want an on/off relay, and put it in between battery and the ballast.
85 from headlight main beam, 86 to earth.
30 FROM battery +ve, 87 to ballast/s