GlesgaKiss

It's not an economic/ethical argument. I'm saying I'm happy to pay for meat because I want to eat it. Me eating meat is not adversely affecting anyone else ffs... the world would be a pretty depressing place if we had to examine everything we do for 'flaws'.

dpb

Well theres no accounting for religeous types . Most likely reason around the world for not eating meat as far as im aware is because its not available/in limited supply

cster

You seem to be making a lot of assumptions there.
I don't have any "argument" against vegans etc - why do you think I would?
I have made no argument, merely made a few points for thought - which in your book if "f*cked up thinking"
On the other hand - I would have to say your posting does make me laugh - so keep up the good work FELLA!
Certainly beats the usual anti-muslim dross we have been suffering of late!

Trout

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That is a pretty big conclusion. My Indian friends that don't eat meat just don't have any experience of it. It probably grows out of a pastoral existence.

It is loosely religious, but there are plenty of Hindus who eat meat, just not beef!

LG John

If it wasn't for humans eating meat I assure you, you would not exist. Think of that while you are high and mighty in your bed tonight.

LG John

India is the worlds biggest sh*t pit (see recent thread), you are hardly convincing me to switch to a veggie diet by citing it as an example.

I also don't overly worry about the ethics or sustainability of the human situation. As a species we have some very funny ideas that are WELL above our station.

The David Attenborough "First Life" program really put that in perspective for me. There are literally millions of species that came, had their moment, and then died out when circumstances (often planetary) changed.

The earth has existed for 4.54 billion years. Life is thought to have existed for 3.85 billion years and humans in the appearance of Genus Homo have been around for 2.5 million years. In our current form we have existed for just 200,000 years and it is only 25,000 years ago that the Neanderthals died out.

Please take time to absorb the numbers above

The human race does not define this planet. We are simply a link in a very, very large chain and one day we will no longer exist at all or be very different in appearance/form/etc. The world "sustainability" just cracks me up. This world (universe even) decides what is in store for our pathetic little species.....not the other way around.

In short, enjoy your tiny blip in the history of time by driving gas guzzling cars and eating meat. Because I assure you 100 million years from now the human impact on this planet will be utterly irrelevant.

all IMHO.

GlesgaKiss

Excellent post there Saxo Boy. We have very similar views on the subject.

Trout

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Apart from writing off one of the oldest civilisations in the world, the only idea well above your station is your imagination running away with you to think that I am trying to convince you to switch to a veggie diet.

What do I care whether you eat meat or not?

LG John

You might not, but ------ seems to. To me it seems that there is a continuing increase from veggies/greenies/treehuggy types to enforce their view/opinion on the rest. It's one of the big driving forces behind me leaving planning. Through my job I was effective forced to enforce greenie/eco bull**** that I 100% believe is utterly irrelevant and yet, I had to make people adhere to it. That made me a hypocrite and I hated that feeling.

Kieran_Burns

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+1 and this from a cycling veggie

I HATE the left-wing 'green' bullcrap being spouted at the moment, it really boils my p*ss, and is simply some weaked minded little proto-stalinist wishing to impose THEIR lifestyle choices on ME.

I'm a libertarian: freedom of choice for the individual as long as that choice does not negatively impact upon others. I find eating meat distasteful, but that's me. I REALLY hate people smoking near me and will move away when they do, or politely ask that they move - but eating meat? Whatever

LG John

Agree completely. I used to get a little hacked at smoking in bars/clubs/etc but now the impact of that has been removed. People that want to smoke can still do so. I personally think they are absolutely crazy....but it is their choice, they don't bother me any more, so they can get on with it.

Trout

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My point is that because someone has a view that lies outside the precieved 'norm' then two things seem to happen.

First of all an assumption of evangelism and secondly an assumption of association. Thus lies the root of religious fundamentalism.

Ergo, if I don't eat meat then I must be

a) an animal lover
b) drive a Prius, if drive at all
c) only wear hand knitted clothes and shoes
d) live in a mud hut
e) are from some primitive civilisation and only eat vegetables because there is no meat
f) believe everyone else should a) be an animal lover; b) drive a Prius; c) only wear hand knitted clothes and shoes; d) live in a mud hut; f2) extol all these virtues to everyone else they know.

But hey - some people eat meat, some people don't. The facts remain the same. Casual meat in the Western diet utilises far more resources than direct consumption foodstuffs and the Western diet probably contains far more meat than it needs to.

But it is personal choice. Equally don't presume that because some don't eat meat that there is something wrong with them or it is not available. Live and let live.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

I would say this http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/art...n-and-hay.html backs up dpb's argument quite well - meat consumption massively increasing in China as they become more wealthy, with Pork consumption doubling in the last 10 years.

Trout

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I am not sure what your point is?

LG John

Well I know you don't drive a prius

I have absolutely no problem at all with vegetarians - I don't understand it*, in the way I don't understand smoking, but I have no problem.

Provided they don't force their view on others and try to 'convert' them. It's not like you walk past the smokers on the way into the pub and they tell you about the benefits of smoking and how good it is, how cool you look, etc. Yet, some vegitarians just love any opportunity to wax lyrical about animal cruelty, sustainability, how we are not meant to eat meat, etc.

*because a good meat based meal can be the most amazing culinary experience you'll ever have.

DCI Gene Hunt

I can't stand veggies - especially peskyterians, the "I don't eat meat as that's cruel" but I'll happily eat a fish as they've no feelings

Lee247

It's all about freedom of choice.
I chose to eat meat as I enjoy it. I never think how the animal was killed so I can enjoy my roast. Callous, maybe.
I am not interested in these folks who seem hell bent on seeing us all not enjoy anything in life. It seems anything that is remotely pleasurable, is bad for us.
Veggies, I have no problem with. It is their choice. Who is to say if they are healthier than meat eaters.
We have a Veggie friend and I am always astounded that she goes on about veggie bacon and sausauge
If she is so against meat, why does she want to eat something that looks like meat.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

The fact that China is now becoming richer, and they are importing massively more meat than they were, is a strong indicator that they are only eating meat now because they could not afford to/it was not available before, they were eating less meat before not because they wanted or chose to, but because they couldn't afford to or it was not available - as was dpb's point.

Trout

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And the counter point is that there are cultures where not eating meat is widespread as it always has been!

Trout

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I am a peskytarian

It is nothing to do with what fish or animals feel. It is only to do with my personal* experience that I feel healthier.












* Your experience may vary, past performance is no indicator of future performance, your stock may rise or fall, the value of your portlyfolio may get larger.

dpb

I can well believe some indians dont eat meat for no good reason at all , look at the ones who spend their entire lives with one arm up in the air

Trout

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Don't tell me. If God had meant us to be vegetarians then why did he make meat taste SO good

LG John

Since you asked my best piece of meat ever was in the Albannach hotel near our croft in the highlands. The Restaurant was awarded a Mithelin star a few years back and we stayed a night for our first anniversary. I tried Oyster for the first time as well as a number of other foods. However, one of the courses was basically a big chunk of beef steak that was about two inches tall and circular - perhaps the circumference of a can of juice. There was no sauce on the steak and it wasn't drowned in salt or pepper that I could see. It had been cooked rare and yet it was warm throughout. I will never know how they made the meat the way it was, but it literally melted in my mouth. The texture and the flavour was unlike anything I have experienced before or since. I've never cooked meat myself and come even close to what that piece of cow tasted like. I don't even have the vocabulary to describe it - it was perfect, and, even though I ate some things I didn't like that night, I went to bed feeling very full and like I had eaten the cleanest and best meal ever.

I remember saying to Laura at the time that Veggies must be mad. I guess smack-heads probably think the same thing about normies after their first hit?

kingofturds

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Hang on a minute was it not you that posted pictures of yourself ripping fish out of their natural habitat by a metal hook a few months back.all in the name or sport. Lets talk about the morality of that

dpb

They dont mind KOT , in fact apparently some of them even enjoy it

tony de wonderful

...and their bones are a lighter colour or something as well?

tony de wonderful

India is not a describe monoculture.

It's actually many different religions and creeds with the cultures of many empires having left their mark.

Now it's being assimilated by global capitalism.

LG John

lmao

SJ_Skyline

Would that be a thtar?