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It does within socialised Islam. I'm taking some relativist license to make my point. I'm not condoning the position, just understanding it.
If I was a Muslim I would submit to a supernatural deity.
Believing in a supernatural deity makes no sense.
If I was a Muslim I would submit to a supernatural deity.
Believing in a supernatural deity makes no sense.
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Really? I think he's just one of those guys who does not know when it's time to walk away from something, always wanting to have the last say in something like a spotty little teenager.
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Christ said mankind had universal brotherhood, he was right and it is backed by reason.
People are still people whether they subscribe to this or that religion. People who espouse an exclusive brotherhood are hypocrites and liars, *****, Communists etc. Doesn't work.
as this thread has progressed reading most of the slatings of each others religons/ways of life , does it not prove the point that there is no such thing as a racist mearly antimulticulturalists who have realised that people will allways have thier differences ? thats the reason we cant all live together in one place without bickering , thats why i said i would have no problem being called a KAFFA because i am a non believer in any religon not just islam ( i knew the answer before i asked the question ) all the racial tension in this once great land is being caused and allowed to happen by previous and present goverments in order to allow some justification and reason for the illegal war started by tony blair and bush,which served no purpose other than to keep bush happy and to secure rights to oil in said country and perhaps line the pockets of directors and shareholders of oil and arms companies (some of whome are mps and senators. why else and for what other reason would the extreemist be allowed to stay in this country (at our cost) and be allowed to protest and teach children such backward ramblings all in the name of religon
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Yes but I believe this notion of a special 'brotherhood' is make believe.
Christ said mankind had universal brotherhood, he was right and it is backed by reason.
People are still people whether they subscribe to this or that religion. People who espouse an exclusive brotherhood are hypocrites and liars, *****, Communists etc. Doesn't work.
Christ said mankind had universal brotherhood, he was right and it is backed by reason.
People are still people whether they subscribe to this or that religion. People who espouse an exclusive brotherhood are hypocrites and liars, *****, Communists etc. Doesn't work.
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Well there can only be one cultural hegemony yes, but to consciously will that through ideology is dysfunctional.
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A spiritual 'brotherhood' is one thing but to extend it to politics is another, it's actually a kind of political collectivism; anti the individual, anti individual conscience. Democracy requires free thinking individuals not slaves obedient to whatever collective they identify with, then it just become as game of who is the biggest collective, and who controls whatever collective. In short a tyranny of the majority.
We've had political collectivism before with communism (class solidarity), Nazism (racial solidarity). Both failed and were lies, where it was hypocrites espousing the solidarity whilst empowering themselves. People are individuals ultimately and flawed, not saint who are so 'good' they only follow the interest of the collective. You can see it say in Iran where Islamic elites cancel or change election to suit themselves. You can see how religious solidarity is a nonsense in Iraq where we have sectarian violence. That doesn't mean it's ideology is not a problem though. People do a lot for ideology.
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**** me is this still going. you guys need to get out more. drive your cars more, make love to your woman more, walk your dogs more. i am all for debate but from trawling this thread I feel you lot will have to agree to disagree on some points. this just seems to be going round in circles not getting anywhere. while i dont agree with some of the muslim practices (especially in relation to their women), i cannot in good concience extol the virtues of a Christaian faith as our track record is no better that of you Muslims. the things done in the past in the name God/Allah/Eru leave no room for excuses of any kind by any faith. Extremists of any faith will always have 100% of the media coverage, while the remaining 99.99% of the population shake their heads and tut.
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I agree with ra dunk
Tony you keep coming out with all these questions when your own people are more backwards than anything out there. you are simply hypocrite it's all clear now you don't see us posting threads about Jews every two days but you do about Muslim in an uncover way and wouldn't say you were Jewish. and I love how you posted on the halal thread while you do kosher you are really biggest wanka on this forum. change your to Tony de stone age
Tony you keep coming out with all these questions when your own people are more backwards than anything out there. you are simply hypocrite it's all clear now you don't see us posting threads about Jews every two days but you do about Muslim in an uncover way and wouldn't say you were Jewish. and I love how you posted on the halal thread while you do kosher you are really biggest wanka on this forum. change your to Tony de stone age
No one asked me specifically to explain, but if I had a quid for everytime I have read on SN, "Oh why oh why don't Muslims sort this out themselves?" I would be...well, much better off! Tony Blair really took this thought process to another level with his b******s in this regard.
For me, how can I possibly take responsibility for the actions of other adults? Are people who say this deranged? Do you know what your next door neighbour is doing at any time, inside his house? Do you know what the man down the street, who shares the same ethnicity/religion as you, do you know what he is up to??
I am not responsible for what other people do, they are.
Same answer as above.
Same answer as to the other guy.
I don't give a stuff about any of this. Anyone looking into the history of the situation will come a cropper, look at the situation today? People will look at whatever they want to in history to justify whatever they wish to justify, now.
It is nonsense. People are being killed on both sides, anyone who says one is justified above the other is trying to justify murder and to defend the indefensible.
Read my previous threads on the subject for more detail. Do people not wonder why those making decisions in this regard find it easier to kill people than to not kill people as a solution?
People need to be brave and seek a new beginning.
For me, how can I possibly take responsibility for the actions of other adults? Are people who say this deranged? Do you know what your next door neighbour is doing at any time, inside his house? Do you know what the man down the street, who shares the same ethnicity/religion as you, do you know what he is up to??
I am not responsible for what other people do, they are.
Same answer as above.
Same answer as to the other guy.
I don't give a stuff about any of this. Anyone looking into the history of the situation will come a cropper, look at the situation today? People will look at whatever they want to in history to justify whatever they wish to justify, now.
It is nonsense. People are being killed on both sides, anyone who says one is justified above the other is trying to justify murder and to defend the indefensible.
Read my previous threads on the subject for more detail. Do people not wonder why those making decisions in this regard find it easier to kill people than to not kill people as a solution?
People need to be brave and seek a new beginning.
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I have never witnessed anything like this. That is not to say it doesn't happen, but I don't think it's a widespread approach.
Also, I do wonder if such actions are taken because Muslims are offended, or just simply because someone thinks they will be (going onto the PC issue). If it's the latter, then we should be directing frustration/anger towards them and not the Muslims. It's funny as I assume that is more likely, and if so it's odd because on the one hand we are encouraged to integrate etc. and on the other, actions like this make that less likely to happen.
Without you saying others, I can only go with this one. What is the reason behind this? Why is it preferred that you (not necessarily personally) use a certain hand for a certain action?
I'm not trying to be funny (unlike some), I'm genuinely curious.
I'm not trying to be funny (unlike some), I'm genuinely curious.
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I agree with ra dunk
Tony you keep coming out with all these questions when your own people are more backwards than anything out there. you are simply hypocrite it's all clear now you don't see us posting threads about Jews every two days but you do about Muslim in an uncover way and wouldn't say you were Jewish. and I love how you posted on the halal thread while you do kosher you are really biggest wanka on this forum. change your to Tony de stone age
Tony you keep coming out with all these questions when your own people are more backwards than anything out there. you are simply hypocrite it's all clear now you don't see us posting threads about Jews every two days but you do about Muslim in an uncover way and wouldn't say you were Jewish. and I love how you posted on the halal thread while you do kosher you are really biggest wanka on this forum. change your to Tony de stone age
a) it makes you a despicable racist who can't differentiate between a persons ethnic background and arguments.
b) an idiot.
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I wonder if this type of thing only happens in certain areas, and perhaps that is why some of us have such different views because of what we personally see.
I have never witnessed anything like this. That is not to say it doesn't happen, but I don't think it's a widespread approach.
Also, I do wonder if such actions are taken because Muslims are offended, or just simply because someone thinks they will be (going onto the PC issue). If it's the latter, then we should be directing frustration/anger towards them and not the Muslims. It's funny as I assume that is more likely, and if so it's odd because on the one hand we are encouraged to integrate etc. and on the other, actions like this make that less likely to happen.
I have never witnessed anything like this. That is not to say it doesn't happen, but I don't think it's a widespread approach.
Also, I do wonder if such actions are taken because Muslims are offended, or just simply because someone thinks they will be (going onto the PC issue). If it's the latter, then we should be directing frustration/anger towards them and not the Muslims. It's funny as I assume that is more likely, and if so it's odd because on the one hand we are encouraged to integrate etc. and on the other, actions like this make that less likely to happen.
I found out the hard way by getting admitted to hospital with c-dif I got from a muslim restaurant. I'm not saying all muslims do this but some do and its these practices they feel are ok to do in a modern society. This is fact and not a mindless racist slur and not a personal attack on all muslim people with the exception of those dirty gits who do it in the first place.
OK - I have another question Banny.
I'm also curious too, and not trying to be funny.
A guy that did some work for us was Muslim.
Now he had some or certainly what seemed to us, weird habits.
One of those was he would only eat with a spoon - OK he only ate things which were rice based
He only ever drunk water or "pure" juices
Now the most bizarre of the lot was this.
He would go to the water cooler and remove a platic cup - as you do of course!
He then filled it up and did this
Tipped his head back and poured the water into his gob - i.e. would not let the cup touch his mouth
Was funny to see the reaction of other folks faces
Why did he do this I wonder?
I always wanted to ask, but out of politeness never did.
I'm also curious too, and not trying to be funny.
A guy that did some work for us was Muslim.
Now he had some or certainly what seemed to us, weird habits.
One of those was he would only eat with a spoon - OK he only ate things which were rice based
He only ever drunk water or "pure" juices
Now the most bizarre of the lot was this.
He would go to the water cooler and remove a platic cup - as you do of course!
He then filled it up and did this
Tipped his head back and poured the water into his gob - i.e. would not let the cup touch his mouth
Was funny to see the reaction of other folks faces
Why did he do this I wonder?
I always wanted to ask, but out of politeness never did.