I didn't actually say either of those things. Please stick to facts and/or apply a little common sense to what people are typing (as regards the second point above) Thanks.

 

I think it is useless, it is intellectually weak; saying that the solution to extremism is for those muslim to be more pious and more 'muslim'.

 

1) Fault of the USA
2) It's where the Israelis put them
3) I have answered that question previously
4) No idea, why don't you ask them?

 

Perfectly, and it's where I find myself in conflict with Islam. I simply cannot square this with compatibility with Western society and fear this division will prove irreconcilable going forward. Perhaps you or Abbas can offer reasons why I'm wrong; I certainly hope so.

Thanks for being the first Muslim (non-practising or otherwise) to give a direct answer to this question.

 

Did you read the bit where it says that extremism has no place in Islam? I think that is what the guy was saying. Do you not think that is useful? Especially when discussing the rights and wrongs of extremism, which is what your thread was about, wasn't it?

 

He's the most popular guy on Scoobynet nowadays.

























Not!

 

Too easy then; pick up a gun, shoot a fellow Muslim, blame the USA?

Actually most left voluntarily at the promise that the Arabs would destroy Israel. Then when the Arabs lost the didn't give a damn about the Palestinians but keep the down and oppressed THEMSELVES whilst playing politics (out of the other side of their mouths) about 'championing' them. So much for brotherhood?

I don't recall the answer.

Is a muslim life worth more than a non-muslim?

 

Tony if there is so much hate between Sunni and Shia as your implying then why is hizballah defending Palestine which has a larger % of Sunni. yes there is some disagreements it's the same with you guys the orthdox and hessenik.

is a Jewish life worth more than a non Jewish?? why don't you answer the question?

 

No, it criticises extremism which is exactly what I and others wish to see and hear. You're on the cusp of sounding fundamental yourself, Tony. I made exactly the same point to Abbas on the Islamism thread and regret it on the grounds that whilst I have a conflicting worldview, at least I am able to engage in honest dialogue with non-extremists. We'll never agree on issues such as a belief, secularism, Shar'ia and so forth, but at least we can discuss, understand and try to find common ground. The alternative is division, which breeds resentment and eventually conflict.

Islam isn't going to disappear, so we simply have to explore ways to reconcile our differences and to my mind the text presents a much more palatable flavour of the faith.

 

1) Newsflash: The USA invaded Iraq in March 2003. All this stuff you are on about happened after and as a result of that.

2) Newsflash: In 1948 Israel was forcibly created and dumped upon an innocent native Palestinian population. This was as a direct result of 2,000 years of unremmitting anti Semitism (still waiting for an explanantion from you on that) and the Holocaust of the Jews of Europe, where 6 million of them were murdered by Christians. The Christians felt guilty and thought that they would dump their guilt (and their Jews) on Muslims. All the stuff you are on about happened after and as a result of that.

3) Read your thread properly.

 

What do you mean then?

 

Is it the fault of the USA for removing Saddam? I understand his dictatorship prohibited Sunni and Shia sectarian violence. Should Saddam have been left in place?

 

1+++++

 

I never said that, just that there was sectarian violence in Iraq.

Anyway I thought Hezbollah was about 'defending' Lebanon and winning back Sheba farms?

I suppose you defend Lebanon by kidnapping IDF soldiers, precipitating a war, and having Lebanese civilians die though as human shields?

 

Only from the POV of religious doctrine. It's useless, because the extremists are not driven by religious doctrine.

 

I didn't say that they were trying to take over the World did I??? You did!

Peter Oborne, who is a respected Daily Telegraph journalist did a Despatches documentary on the Conservative Friends of Israel, the Labour Friends of Israel, and presumably today there is a Coaliltion Friends of Israel!!

He highlighted where Govt ministers are paid by the Israeli lobby to be nice to Israel, when Israel decides to go and murder more innocent women and children, with it's multi million dollar state of the art Air Force, provided for free by the US. Go and look it up.

Is that clear now? By the way what does anti Semitism mean?? Fifth time of asking.

 

So there is no such thing as personal responsibility, choices? Like I said just pick up and gun and shoot, blame the USA. No morality.

Actually it was created as a two state solution by edict from the British, not force. The Arabs attacks and created a war displacing many Palestinians.

 

Tony I'm going to say my last comment and going bed you are the most backward person I have ever seen in a long time. you simply see what you want and avoid simple questions. your just one weird dude seriously. you should really think about going out meet a bird or a bloke. you are beyond belief good night mate

 

Was it our business? No.

Saddam used to be our friend, but we decided that we didn't like him anymore. We liked him when he launched a ten year war against Iran that killed one million people!! He was like...'Uncle' Saddam back then.

We prefer Hosni Mubarak, who is our kind of dictator, plus the Saudi's - they are so warm and cuddly!

 

Many countries in the middle east get US military aid, in fact Egypt gets more than Israel.

Paid in what way? Cash? Please be more specific? There are many lobbies in this country, including Muslim and Palestinians ones.

What is anti-semitism? Don't be obtuse.

It's quite clear your bias when you use words like 'murder'.

 

As you are fond of saying Tony, 'in effect' my answer is the correct one.

Have you worked out what anti Semitism means yet?

 

ROFL!!, That pretty much sums up 9/10 Scoobynet members opinions of him as well, glad to have you onboard.

 

Why not? You make the Palestinians your business?

 

It's the price the US pays to keep its relationships sweet, dont recall the last time I saw Egyptian strike planes blowing up innocent villages, do you?

Look it up Tony, you might be able to see it on Youtube or 4OD or whatever.

You have over used 'anti Semitism' so much, but I don't think you know what it means.

You own bias is clear to me, I am just countering that. Not nice is it?

Anyway, we will continue this another time. Good night.

 

Egypt are not fighting a war surrounded by hostile militias and paramilitaries, who I may add don't distinguish between Israeli civilians and soldiers. The IDF otoh drops leaflets and even phones up targeted properties to tell them to leave asap. Hamas, Hezzbollah don't do that.

 

The Arabic term used in the narrations is 'Ghuloo' to go beyond bounds, extremism.
The sources for the narrations are in the footnotes, and both are authentic.
Anwar al Awlaki - For a detailed refutation then see:
http://www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmes...=9&Topic=10039
He was inspired by the same writer as Bin Laden, Sayyid Qutb. Be very wary !

 

We had to go in. I know the history, I know our politics are ignoble at best, but we had to. It was geopoliticaly sound and will be proved so. If I was a Muslim I'd be pissed off, but I'm not, I'm a British infidel.

 

OK I may have overreacted with your comments about the Israeli lobby, but in my experience such superficially 'reasonable' comments, often translate into a casual or subtle anti-semitism, a rebadge of anti-semitic lies about Jews having disproportionate international power due to their conspiracies.

If you think about it, many interests have lobby groups. Just stating that the Israeli lobby group has influence proves nothing as such, and the idea that Jewish lobby groups are especially powerful is kind of an irrefutable statement; you can't disprove it.

 

If you think about it, that makes no sense.

 

I don't have that opinion of him. I think Tony's passionate and has substance - he could work on his PR, but he has the courage of his convictions against overwhelming odds.

I guess I'm the 1/10.