Notices
Non Scooby Related Anything Non-Scooby related

Panorama tonight BBC

Old Nov 24, 2010 | 07:54 PM
  #301  
JTaylor's Avatar
JTaylor
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
From: Home
Default

I feckin' love Snet. On one thread about Islam I'm called a **** and on the other a Jew. Now that's diversity!
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:03 AM
  #302  
AsifScoob's Avatar
AsifScoob
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Why not? You make the Palestinians your business?
Yes, just because I make the Palestinians 'my business' as you put it (someone has to) I haven't invaded anyone because of it have I??? What sort of comparison is that?

You are being (consistently) ridiculous, in your nit picking questioning.

Start asking sensible questions please, or I will just ignore you.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:06 AM
  #303  
AsifScoob's Avatar
AsifScoob
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Egypt are not fighting a war surrounded by hostile militias and paramilitaries, who I may add don't distinguish between Israeli civilians and soldiers. The IDF otoh drops leaflets and even phones up targeted properties to tell them to leave asap. Hamas, Hezzbollah don't do that.
Whooppee do!!! Thank God for Israel hey? They are practically Amnesty Internationals poster boys!
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:08 AM
  #304  
AsifScoob's Avatar
AsifScoob
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by JTaylor
We had to go in. I know the history, I know our politics are ignoble at best, but we had to. It was geopoliticaly sound and will be proved so. If I was a Muslim I'd be pissed off, but I'm not, I'm a British infidel.
Completely wrong and you will always be completely wrong on that score. You must be joking as only you and Tony Blair believe that horse**** story about going in to get Saddam.

As I said on another post, it was just unfinished business to GWB, and perhaps he wanted to do his old man and his buddies a favour.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:11 AM
  #305  
AsifScoob's Avatar
AsifScoob
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
OK I may have overreacted with your comments about the Israeli lobby, but in my experience such superficially 'reasonable' comments, often translate into a casual or subtle anti-semitism, a rebadge of anti-semitic lies about Jews having disproportionate international power due to their conspiracies.

If you think about it, many interests have lobby groups. Just stating that the Israeli lobby group has influence proves nothing as such, and the idea that Jewish lobby groups are especially powerful is kind of an irrefutable statement; you can't disprove it.
So, I have presented proof and you have refuted it, without even checking? Tut tut.

Please come up with something a bit more sensible.

Can you tell everyone what anti Semitism is please? You have used it about a hundred times in this thread, but you don't know what it means do you?
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:17 AM
  #306  
AsifScoob's Avatar
AsifScoob
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Lagamorph
I shall not go on as ill just go round in circles. I cannot undo a life time of brain washing of someone who lives their life according to a 1500 year old story! Religion is old hat for those who fear death and for those who use it to control I mean for goodness sake even the calender muslims use is wrong! My nephew loves a certain farm toy with loads of extras but recently they have removed the pig from as not to offend, well that action offends me! But as long as the brainwashed and the PC brigade are out in force my voice is ignored because I am a 'racist'!?
Sorry my friend but I am not sure of the point you wish to make?

If you just want to sound off you appear to have done that successfully. If you have some questions or points to make please ahead.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:19 AM
  #307  
AsifScoob's Avatar
AsifScoob
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by urban
OK - I have another question Banny.
I'm also curious too, and not trying to be funny.

A guy that did some work for us was Muslim.
Now he had some or certainly what seemed to us, weird habits.

One of those was he would only eat with a spoon - OK he only ate things which were rice based
He only ever drunk water or "pure" juices

Now the most bizarre of the lot was this.
He would go to the water cooler and remove a platic cup - as you do of course!
He then filled it up and did this

Tipped his head back and poured the water into his gob - i.e. would not let the cup touch his mouth
Was funny to see the reaction of other folks faces
Why did he do this I wonder?
I always wanted to ask, but out of politeness never did.
Just sounds OCD to me. Don't know anyone who does that sort of thing from a religious perspective. Might be wrong though.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:24 AM
  #308  
AsifScoob's Avatar
AsifScoob
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,057
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by 22BUK
I note from one of your previous comments that you are not a practising Muslim. But if you were and lived in an Islamic country and renounced Islam to become say a Buddhist, would you not be in grave danger of being executed? As far as I know, Islam is the only religion that does this.
Hi,

From what I read in the newspapers I think I would be. Apostasy is supposed to be punishable by death, that's what I read in the Daily Mail anyway. To be honest I have never heard it said, or preached.

There are however, many people of other faiths who live in Muslim countries. All we ever hear about is when there is trouble of some sort.

Hope this answers your question.

Asif

PS Do you really own a 22B?
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:49 AM
  #309  
JTaylor's Avatar
JTaylor
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
From: Home
Default

Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Completely wrong and you will always be completely wrong on that score. You must be joking as only you and Tony Blair believe that horse**** story about going in to get Saddam.

As I said on another post, it was just unfinished business to GWB, and perhaps he wanted to do his old man and his buddies a favour.
In my view, if the anti-war brigade had had their way Kuwait would now be occupied, the Kurds would remain persecuted, Saddam would be in power and the Taliban would still be running Afghanistan with Al Qeada as their guests. As it happens the Allies have now secured resources, energy lines, put in place puppet regimes and are much better placed geographically to tackle Iran when the time comes. We're at a strategic advantage against our enemies.

My allegiance is to Great Britain and her allies.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 04:08 AM
  #310  
tony de wonderful's Avatar
tony de wonderful
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Mus
ok i might be an idiot but im not racisit, i have no problem with jews i have a lot of orthadox jews that i do business with and speak to me a lot about extremist like you that give jews a bad name!!! its clear now why you keep pounding muslims and trying to convert everyone your spreading hate and promoting hate against muslims to suit your own sick agenda. you and captain hook should be in a cell together im sure you will have a few things in common.

your a sly sneaky snake in the grass tony
You called Jews backward in a pervious post and F1 fan said it 'didn't surprise him I was Jewish'.

Now here you are making a pose about doing business with orthodox Jews...as if that proves your non-racist credentials. I wonder if you call them 'backward' to their face?

I don't know why you have decided that being Jewish is the motivation to the questions I ask, save that you obviously have a racist prejudice about Jewish people.

I honestly feel bad for you. You come on a forum and accuse people of being Jewish, force them to deny it or assume 'guilt'. What are you a ****? I feel bad having to deny being Jewish, bad for you, bad for me, bad for Jewish people. I will make no denials because it shames us both. Make you own mind up then about by ethnic background to suit yourself.

Last edited by tony de wonderful; Nov 25, 2010 at 04:22 AM.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 04:26 AM
  #311  
tony de wonderful's Avatar
tony de wonderful
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Yes, just because I make the Palestinians 'my business' as you put it (someone has to) I haven't invaded anyone because of it have I??? What sort of comparison is that?

You are being (consistently) ridiculous, in your nit picking questioning.

Start asking sensible questions please, or I will just ignore you.
Maybe that is the point. You only make it your business in so far as you make a 'pose'. It's what the pro-palestinian people do. You'd pick up a gun if you had *****.

My point was that you could make a humanitarian case for Iraq; removing a bad dictator etc. An invasion of 'conscience'. Lefty types and Islamists make that case for the Palestinians, but otoh with Iraq they are like 'oh no we used violence' to remove Saddam, all the while providing moral and material support to Hamas etc.

Hypocrisy?
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 04:34 AM
  #312  
tony de wonderful's Avatar
tony de wonderful
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by AsifScoob
So, I have presented proof and you have refuted it, without even checking? Tut tut.

Please come up with something a bit more sensible.

Can you tell everyone what anti Semitism is please? You have used it about a hundred times in this thread, but you don't know what it means do you?
No you posted a link to a secondary source asking me to do all the work. That is not proof.

Especially as you still haven't answered my question about other lobby groups. Are there no muslim or palestinians ones? If not why not? Do they not spend money on lobbying the British government?

That an Israel lobby group exists is not proof that they nefariously steer British foreign policy. I think there are lobby groups for most countries and interests.

If you don't know what anti-semitism is don't ask me. Do your own homework/research.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 04:39 AM
  #313  
tony de wonderful's Avatar
tony de wonderful
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Mus
well his acting like one how are you sure he aint jewish?
You are an anti-Semite and I feel bad for you.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 06:57 AM
  #314  
bigsinky's Avatar
bigsinky
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 19,408
Likes: 0
From: Sunny BELFAST
Default

Originally Posted by JTaylor
I gave you some hints and tips in post 287, Mus. Of course, it could be a clever conspiracy, which would indeed confirm his Jewishness. Actually, having thought about it, he may well actually be a Jew. Stone him!!
he is not coming out, he's been a very naughty boy!!!
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 08:56 AM
  #315  
urban's Avatar
urban
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Originally Posted by AsifScoob
Just sounds OCD to me. Don't know anyone who does that sort of thing from a religious perspective. Might be wrong though.
Yeah - probably right.
The water drinking antics were funny though.
Infact many in here actually tried it when he wasn't around.
Safe to say that they generally ended up with wet shirts

Originally Posted by JTaylor
I feckin' love Snet. On one thread about Islam I'm called a **** and on the other a Jew. Now that's diversity!
A shifty jew or just a jew?
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 10:13 AM
  #316  
JTaylor's Avatar
JTaylor
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
From: Home
Default

Originally Posted by urban
A little big lad - a little
Still finding this amusing; I just wish I could hear it said with an Oirish accent!
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 10:16 AM
  #317  
Mus's Avatar
Mus
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 0
From: will be back in another scooby in time....
Default

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You are an anti-Semite and I feel bad for you.
i dont i feel great today
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 10:23 AM
  #318  
Mus's Avatar
Mus
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 0
From: will be back in another scooby in time....
Default

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
You called Jews backward in a pervious post and F1 fan said it 'didn't surprise him I was Jewish'.

Now here you are making a pose about doing business with orthodox Jews...as if that proves your non-racist credentials. I wonder if you call them 'backward' to their face?

I don't know why you have decided that being Jewish is the motivation to the questions I ask, save that you obviously have a racist prejudice about Jewish people.

I honestly feel bad for you. You come on a forum and accuse people of being Jewish, force them to deny it or assume 'guilt'. What are you a ****? I feel bad having to deny being Jewish, bad for you, bad for me, bad for Jewish people. I will make no denials because it shames us both. Make you own mind up then about by ethnic background to suit yourself.
i called YOU backwards cause you are, i do business with them and I spoke to them about you and they said people like you are the ones that cause issues. As you like to put everyone’s problems in a spot light but never look at your self. I speak three languages and my friends are from all over the world im an open minded individual not like u change your name in to Flintstone it would suit you better 

if you aint jewish then aren’t they lucky not to have someone as backwards as you!
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 10:31 AM
  #319  
Will's Avatar
Will
BANNED
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,641
Likes: 0
From: Bumming sheep, hard!
Default

Do the jews bum each other on Sundays?



Old Nov 25, 2010 | 10:31 AM
  #320  
urban's Avatar
urban
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 12,566
Likes: 1
From: Never you mind
Default

Originally Posted by JTaylor
Still finding this amusing; I just wish I could hear it said with an Oirish accent!
Hey - jew boy!

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't speak with an Oirish accent.
Run along now, and unstick your circumcised **** from your boxers
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 10:54 AM
  #321  
tony de wonderful's Avatar
tony de wonderful
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Mus
i called YOU backwards cause you are, i do business with them and I spoke to them about you and they said people like you are the ones that cause issues. As you like to put everyone’s problems in a spot light but never look at your self. I speak three languages and my friends are from all over the world im an open minded individual not like u change your name in to Flintstone it would suit you better 

if you aint jewish then aren’t they lucky not to have someone as backwards as you!
Now you are a liar too. You said:

Originally Posted by Mus
Tony you keep coming out with all these questions when your own people are more backwards than anything out there
Just because you speak three languages doesn't mean you are not a racist or anti-semite. You have already decided that being Jewish explains my stance on various things? Why is that, unless you have some sort of prejudice against Jewish people?

I cause issues in what way? By speaking up about Islamism and extremism?

I only ask questions.

Last edited by tony de wonderful; Nov 25, 2010 at 11:01 AM.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 10:55 AM
  #322  
bigsinky's Avatar
bigsinky
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 19,408
Likes: 0
From: Sunny BELFAST
Default

Originally Posted by urban
Hey - jew boy!

Sorry to disappoint, but I don't speak with an Oirish accent.
Run along now, and unstick your circumcised **** from your boxers
so you're telling me he ***** dogs too

oh......you mean underpants.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 11:03 AM
  #323  
Mus's Avatar
Mus
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 0
From: will be back in another scooby in time....
Default

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Now you are a liar too. You said:



Just because you speak three languages doesn't mean you are not a racist or anti-semite. You have already decided that being Jewish explains my stance on various things? Why is that?

I cause issues in what way? By speaking up about Islamism and extremism?

I only ask questions.
ok i did and so what lol

i dont mind you speaking about islam why arent i having a go at others??? other put there points across in a good manner they do it because they want to discuss you do it to Irritate that’s the difference. im not the only want that finds you annoying on this forum. like i said anything that doesnt have anything to do with islam im happy to be your best friend as your views seem to be narrow minded. if you have an issue with islam then just say what is it and theres many on here that will be willing to provide you with answers or discuss things with you on a Intellectual level.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 11:12 AM
  #324  
tony de wonderful's Avatar
tony de wonderful
Thread Starter
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,329
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Mus
ok i did and so what lol

i dont mind you speaking about islam why arent i having a go at others??? other put there points across in a good manner they do it because they want to discuss you do it to Irritate that’s the difference. im not the only want that finds you annoying on this forum. like i said anything that doesnt have anything to do with islam im happy to be your best friend as your views seem to be narrow minded. if you have an issue with islam then just say what is it and theres many on here that will be willing to provide you with answers or discuss things with you on a Intellectual level.
I have tried to discuss things on an intellectual level, but people like you and F1 seek to derail or otherwise stop the dialogue.

I asked about the Islamic view of secularism and the best I got was an obsfucation. Then when I ask for clarification you resort to ad homs, and various other insults, accusations of being an Islamophobe etc.

I wanted an intellectual discussion about the idea of Islamic political solidarity etc. Then when I point out the contradiction in it I get the same treatment.

You're not interested in intellectual debate.

I am interested in these topics but you have proven yourself to be a very low mind indeed with your bullying and anti-semitism. You actually thing you are justified in doing it because of Israel-Palestine etc. It's sick. You top off your hypocrisy by doing business with Jews whilst slating them behind their backs.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 11:22 AM
  #325  
Trout's Avatar
Trout
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 1999
Posts: 15,271
Likes: 0
From: UK
Default

What a great thread!
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 11:46 AM
  #326  
Mus's Avatar
Mus
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 0
From: will be back in another scooby in time....
Default

I wanted an intellectual discussion about the idea of Islamic political solidarity etc. Then when I point out the contradiction in it I get the same treatment.

You're not interested in intellectual debate.

I am interested in these topics but you have proven yourself to be a very low mind indeed with your bullying and anti-semitism. You actually thing you are justified in doing it because of Israel-Palestine etc. It's sick. You top off your hypocrisy by doing business with Jews whilst slating them behind their backs.[/QUOTE]



all you opinions are narrow minded to be frank i dont care what you think we all know how many threads you posted about Muslims and im yet to post one about jews or Israel. So you tell me who has the problem??

I do like a debate but I just don’t like irritating comments.

If you feel like I’m bullying you then I won’t discuss anything else with you on this thread.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 11:54 AM
  #327  
JTaylor's Avatar
JTaylor
Scooby Regular
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 14,758
Likes: 0
From: Home
Default

Originally Posted by Mus
I know I'm on tonys case a bit but I assure you if he doesnt discuss religion then I'm happy to be his best friend.
Originally Posted by Mus
i dont mind you speaking about islam.
Not going well, Mus.
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:13 PM
  #328  
Mus's Avatar
Mus
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,554
Likes: 0
From: will be back in another scooby in time....
Default

Originally Posted by JTaylor
Not going well, Mus.
going very well i hit my targets for the month
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:17 PM
  #329  
banny sti's Avatar
banny sti
Scooby Senior
20 Year Member
Liked
iTrader: (68)
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 16,600
Likes: 24
From: Type R
Default

Originally Posted by Mus
going very well i hit my targets for the month
Got GT5 yesterday, love it! What do you think of it?
Old Nov 25, 2010 | 12:26 PM
  #330  
f1_fan's Avatar
f1_fan
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 20,035
Likes: 0
From: .
Default

Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
I have tried to discuss things on an intellectual level, but people like you and F1 seek to derail or otherwise stop the dialogue.

I asked about the Islamic view of secularism and the best I got was an obsfucation. Then when I ask for clarification you resort to ad homs, and various other insults, accusations of being an Islamophobe etc.

I wanted an intellectual discussion about the idea of Islamic political solidarity etc. Then when I point out the contradiction in it I get the same treatment.

You're not interested in intellectual debate.

I am interested in these topics but you have proven yourself to be a very low mind indeed with your bullying and anti-semitism. You actually thing you are justified in doing it because of Israel-Palestine etc. It's sick. You top off your hypocrisy by doing business with Jews whilst slating them behind their backs.
Tony, you don't want intellectual debate, you just want to lecture people and try and talk down to them. Thing is you are not bright enough to do it well.

If you and Taylor were as interested in the debate as you proclaim you would have gone and found an Islamic forum to discuss it on. Simple as that really.

As for whether you are Jewish or not I couldn't care less, but the post I made the comment in relation to gave your prejudices away just a little too much.

To most of us neutrals this is a bit of sideshow and nothing more, but it is sure becoming tedious at times.

I just preferred Scobynet when all creeds and colours were welcome.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:12 PM.