Yes pelase don't. HTML 5 is a set of standards while Flash is a piece of software. The two things are not comparable.

 

Microsoft are dropping Silverlight, you know why? Well I suspect it's because it's just not needed any more. Adobe will eventually give up on Flash, it's inevitable.

What does it do exactly? Other than slow down your system, provide another level of security threats and display a bunch of advertising. Video you'll cry! Well we have modern browsers nowadays that can display video just fine without flash - see the above stats. Games you'll cry!! Played far more on mobile devices in native applications. What does that leave... advertising.

You know that I'm right, you're just trying to hold onto the past, do you really think Flash and Silverlight are growing?

And yes, HTML5 is the fat lady warming up on stage ready to sing a swan song for your friend Flash.

 

Where did I say they were growing? As ever you read things in my posts that aren't there to suit your pwn agenda. I have no doubt Flash will be gone some day, but the point is that it is still here today and I want to surf the web now not have Apple tell me I can't because it won't be with us some time in the future.... that is just asinine and the fact is deep down you know it is, you are just defending it because it's Apple and that is the really sad thing here.

Oh and for the umpteenth time will you stop mentioing HTML 5 as a a replacement for Flash... it isn't. It is a set of standards that happens to have some video containers and standards declared as part of its definition.

 

What is it doing then? If it's not growing and it's definitely declining, I have to assume that it's dying. My dislike of Flash goes back way before Steve kicked it, you can likely search on here if you're so inclined, it's true I jumped for joy when he took my side and again when Google decided to give it a slap.

As far as the web is concerned what exactly does Flash do that can't be achieved with out it? Ah, I've got it, it's DRM! Are you worried that people will steal your **** videos? Surely it can't be true that you're defending Flash so that you can implement DRM, something that Apple have been berated for for years!

 

Jack with all due respect if you are only going to post in a patronising manner then what is the point of engaging you. You seem a reasonably inteliigent person so how about your knock the stupid stuff on the head and just read my posts. Where did I mention DRM or **** videos???

I am actually not defending Flash per se, what I am saying is it is here now and a lot of websites use it and therefore right now excluding it from any browser platform is naive.

The lie that Apple spout is that it is resource hungry, but if you do a quick Google for tests regarding that you will find that in some instances it is worse than an alternative technology whereas in others it is actually better. A lot depends on how it is written.

I don't even develop in Flash so please stop implying I am some sort of fan of it. All I want to do is surf the web now, today and like it or not Apple have taken it upon themseleves to prevent me dong that in some instances, if I was to buy an Apple product that is.

The future will of course be different, but what Apple are doing now is akin to closing the local roads before the bypass is complete. It is, whether you like it or not, an argument rooted deep in business, not technology and is very very petty - why not suport it and allow it to be turned off if it is going to drain the bateries so quickly, what could be simpler than that?

 

Me patronising, you only have to read your first post to this thread to see who started that. Treat people how you expect to be treated.

All I'm saying is it's not worth moaning about it not being available as it's going anyhow, all Apple are doing is speeding up it's demise and I appreciate that. You want to hang onto old tech and I want to progress, right now we're in the middle.

 

There you go again. Hang on to to old tech????

What bit of "I just want to be able to surf the web today" do you not get? What is it about that statement that you cannot seem to understand. I am bewildered by your constant denial of what is obviously common sense.

What is the point of discarding the 'old tech' before the 'new tech' is ready? There isn't any except of course Apple are petty bullies and luckily have people like you who will lap up their every word as gospel.

Oh and for the record where was I being patronising with my first post? You have said exactly that many times .... in a very patronising way as it happens. Miond you that is your default posting style to anyone who doesn't worship at the altar of Apple.

 

In what way is Flash old? do you mean in a technical sence or other. If you believe we are in the middle ground and are about to move on, how long do you think that is going to take and where is it going?

 

If only.....

 

Jack, I'm sure people can see what you are implying for the future but, now is now, and so your personal viewpoint is most definitely flawed.

 

iphone is a fashion accessory, there are phones out there that are more capable, mroe compatable, faster and cheaper.

i am yet to pay for any apps on my htc and it does everything i need or want it to do, plus contract costs me 10 a month less and phone cost me nothign to start with

 

Flash was an answer to a problem that used to exist, it's not needed anymore, it's old. What need is there for Flash? As to the length of time, that's constricting daily. What percentage of users use Flash for anything more than video and advertising?

Six months ago you both said I was crazy, look at the growth of non Flash implementations in that time, you can sit on your **** and ignore it or embrace it, your choice.

I still don't understand why you love Flash so much.

Daz34, is that an advert?

 

i have an iphone 4 i think its way ahead of any other phone, iphone has its bugs others have more simple, had so many other phones smartphones etc, so i am in a position to comment and they are all below the iphone,

 

looking at this i cant see a reason to hate a phone, dont like it dont buy it, but no need to slate them, i dont understand. only thing i can think is jelousy as they dont have one.

 

No it's a feature request.

 

Now pulled from the App store

Due to unprecedented demand, the skyfire servers cant cope,

Looks like the appelati, do want flash content that's been denied Jack,

contrary to your statements:



Mart

 

Good one.

 

My Gosh, did you really trawl through my previous posts to find those quotes! Anyhow Mart what percentage of iOS users downloaded the app? There are over 100million users now.

 

Jack , you keep ignoring the fundamental question I asked despite me being almost rude in my last post about it. You also keep implying things from my posts that aren't there? And you keep trotting out the same tired old lines while ignoring anything that doesn't suit your aganda.

And that is pretty much the defnition of a troll quite frankly.

 

Fixed it for you

 

My 9 yr old daughter (and wife) was giving me grief the other day -- she was trying to play a game on the www which required Flash (for some reason it was not working on her profile -- but does on her brother and sisters)


I just told her to move on as Jack says she doesn't need it

 

You mean 'Jumping Jack No Flash'

 

What she needs is a gaming device, like an Android phone, or if you want more choice an iOS device. Christmas is coming. To think people laughed when I said the iPhone would revolutionise gaming!

 

well funny you should say that - it is her birthday later this month, she did mention she wanted an ipod (her older brother got a itouch last month) but I don't think she really ment it, just peer pressure, together with the evil all seeing eye of the Apple marketing dept

we are going to get her a watch - along with assorted other crap (what she really really wants is a Tortoise)

 

Wait for the Tortoise 1.01 upgrade for the chance of flash being operative as it isn't available as yet.

 

Well to start off, I don't love Flash, far from it, I hate the fact it is a proprietary plugin, an such, not good for consumers. Apple/Microsoft are not solving any problem on this front, they are in fact just trying to implement there own proprietary plugin, H.264.

I assume that you think the future is H.264 as that is what Apple are using in there version of HTML5 video tags?

H.264 is a video codec and that's it, whereas Flash is a complete platform, also able to play 264, if it is packaged correctly, It's not a substitute for Flash and is not a platform like Flash and as such, Flash is going nowhere in the next 10 years, it would be the same as you saying Windows 7 is a dieing technology.

The four main codecs right now are, H.264, VP6, VP8 and Ogg Theora, do you notice that Adobe/Flash do not have a codec at stake, they are not in that business.

Just to add, Flash Player 10.1 for Android can use the hardware for baseline decoding, this gives the same battery efficiency as "native" video playback, can iOS do that

EDIT:

Embrace what? Currently you are more restricted than other users and this is for the foreseeable future, as a consumer don't you just want things to work right now, what are you actually waiting for?

 

I'll take your 10 years and lower it to 5, in Five years time flash use will be next to zero.

 

Ok, what do you think we all will be using in 5 years time than?

 

Applications.

 

In what way, how will video across the www work for instance.