BIG FUD

iTrader: (84)

Just get the type 25mk2 and be done with it £30k you wont go wrong .

Robocop

The MY06 Spec C is lighter than the standard JDM STi due to the following changes:

• Rear wash wipe **deleted**
• Privacy glass **deleted**
• Deadlocks **deleted**
• Boot trim and carpet **deleted**
• Passenger sun visor **deleted**
• Grab handles **deleted**
• Ski hatch **deleted**
• Glove box light **deleted**
• Isofix child seat fixing point **deleted**
• Underseal **deleted**
• Sound deadening **deleted**
• Map lights **deleted**
• Speakers in rear doors **deleted**
• Centre diagonal inertia seatbelt **deleted**
• Side airbags **deleted**
• HID headlights **deleted**
• Side skirts **deleted**

The Spec C also has the following changes over the JDM STi:

• Thinner lightweight glass
• Lightweight roof
• Aluminium boot lid
• 12 litre intercooler spray bottle mounted behind the rear seats
• Different radiator and water pump
• Engine & transmission oil coolers
• Roller bearing version of the twin scroll turbo
• Rear strut brace
• Lightweight front subframe
• Performance revolving chamber fuel pump (anti surge)
• Black seats, door panels and carpet
• Stiffer chassis with revised welding
• Larger intake pipe
• Roof vent
• Smaller 50 litre fuel tank
• Smaller lightweight battery
• Aerial relocated to A pillar

I'm sure I've missed something, but I'm sure the Tony Felstead combo will be along to correct me.

Terminator X

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Big diff the older you go. Hawkeye STi vs Hawkeye Spec C are almost identical bar the badge

TX.

Suberman

Fixed. I'm sure that was just a typo error. I'm here with peace.

stevie1982

iTrader: (16)

We don't all have 30k though fud, where the Sti and spec c are half the price and Can produce similar power on STD internals, slam on a set of ast's and agreed not a type25 but bloody close for a lot less.

juggers

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Very true.

Leaney-g

Took me a while to make sense of that.

stevie1982

iTrader: (16)

cheers immy

also that is a non biased opinion as i have owned a mk1 type 25 based on a jdm model, just could not justify or stretch to 30k on a mk2

gussy

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There is a big differance with the badge, it could be a limited edition which then adds all the handeling goodies etc TX you should know that

Shaun

Gussy,
You certainly have a fair point there but when you consider the purchase price of a JDM STI (MY06) against something like a SPEC C RA, we are talking (based on current values) around £6-7k difference. That is perhaps one of the points, although you can't put a price on owning and saying you own a Spec C RA..... well you can actually, as you would have to pay the inflated price, which is fine if that's what you want.

Terminator X

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FPMSL! I meant a "standard" Spec C vs STi not a flash one like this (gorgeous car BTW ):

https://www.scoobynet.com/private-fo...c-type-ra.html

TX.

stevie1982

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Wow gussy i am shocked that you still have this mate.

johnfelstead

Nope, and you didn't fix it, if you want to be acurate it's 33.333 recuring/ 66.666 recuring.

johnfelstead

juggers

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I can't see the intercooler water bottle rear strut brace engine coolers and arial being more then 7kg between them. As for the shell everything is the same am not familiar with any delete pannels.... What pannels have been deleted John?

iMMY

Toffee

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I had an 03 JDM STI for nearly 5 years, I have owned my 06 Spec C for 1 year >

I would never buy a "normal" STi (including the JDM) again, once youve had a Spec C there is no going back in my opinion. If your really bothered about having a carpet in your boot, not having a passenger side sun visor or hearing bits of stones hit the underside of your car then you may be better off with a "normal" STi.

If you are REALLY into driving your car > GET A SPEC C, no ifs or buts, I aint no pollisher or show and shine, my car gets it daily and it fits me perfect > I can only recommend upgrading the brakes to AP and getting the twin scroll Turbo Dynamics LM420 S60 once you have one, mine now feels spot on.

Good luck chosing fella

juggers

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How you finding the LM420 compared to the standard spool up on spec c turbo?

Immy

johnfelstead

I think i have proven enough times you dont need a Spec C to be REALLY REALLY into driving your car, I've not had one of equivilent spec go quicker than my JDM STi yet in timed competition. Stock brakes are great with the right pad and disk combination if using it for road use and light track work.

Toffee

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Now that Richard Bulmer has waved his magic on it it is awesome, I know its only 420bhp and I am guessing around 390ft/lbs but he described it as brutal ? ok so it aint 5/600bhp but it does have a hell of a kick and it now has great mid range pull as well

The standard Spec C is good, but in my opinion the brakes are naff and it does need more umph I've also got the whiteline ARBs & ALK which has made a difference, the suspension is a difficult one, I go out on Sunday mornings chasing bikers so it needs to have plently of travel and be soft enough for the back bumpy roads, but then you want stability for the A roads? for now I have standard shockers on it, soon as the Ohlins kit becomes available for the Hawkeye there gioing on

Toffee

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Couldnt disagree more about the brakes comment, good enough for you?

johnfelstead

It's not much extra weight, engine and box coolers will probably add 4kg with the extra oil, pipework and heat exchangers, ariel maybe 0.5kg, strutbrace maybe 1kg, rear water tank could add about 8Kg on it's own though if you filled it up with water.

Front crash structure is removed, it's bolted onto the lower engine bay chassis structure on the UK and JDM STi. It also apears that there isnt as many panels making up the engine bay skins, although i'm looking at this at the weekend just to confirm before saying for sure.

johnfelstead

Well, i dont go chasing bikers on UK public roads, but in the odd quick bit of driving i do do, they perform perfectly adequately. Not sure why you needed the but i'd quite happily kick your cars bottom should you come do a scoobysprint round or similar some time.

Mus

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lol

Shaun

555EFC,
I could not disagree more about the "once you have had a Spec C, there is no going back" comment. It is horses for courses and whilst the Spec C is a great car, it does not mean it is better than any other Newage, for any given individual or remit. For a large % of us, we would probably be no quicker in a Spec C than a corresponding STI. Whilst I fully appreciate my Spec C has been pushed to quite an extreme, the main reason for me changing to a "lowly" STI now is because I want more comfort and more toys. So for me the JDM STI Hawkeye is a better option and in this case a better car for me.

Like John I am taking the minimal approach. I know for a fact that the standard JDM STI (barr a remap, exhaust and filter) is adequate enough to go as fast as I really need to go, and will be sufficient enough for enjoying myself at the Ring and during track days.

I have no desire to change suspension or other handling area's, such as ARB's, anti-lift kits etc. You simply do not need them for a road car. I have come around to the fact that Subaru have spent millions on ensuring the dampers are adequate etc, so why should I think I can be quicker (for most of the time) by changing them (for what I want to use the car for).

The only thing I will look at will be geometry initially.

Been there, done that, wore the T-Shirt and now have it for sale on Ebay!

On a serious note, taking time to understand driving/handling dynamics and bettering you own driving ability with furthering experience, is a sure fire way to realise how quick a standard car and you can be. Back this up with watching someone like John making mince meat out of a lot of "on paper" better cars in last years ScoobySprint, really shows you what really counts. All the flash bits don't make a single stitch of difference if you drive like Miss Daisy..... I should know!

Saying all this though, no doubt by the end of the year I will have spent another £10k on modding the STI.

Blind Side

I thought that that official declared weight saving between a stock hawkeye Spec C & a standard JDM STI is around 70kg (1390kg vs 1460kg). Surely this will have a marked impact on relative performance, or am I missing something obvious?

juggers

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It obviously makes a massive difference on track with pro drivers might not on a sprint as it's short bursts, but i think the driver is a big part of the equation and by the sounds of it i think you know your a half decent driver John don't you!!!

johnfelstead

Less weight is of course an advantage if chasing lap times, but in the real world it makes negligable difference. I was just answering a previous question on the weights of a few parts added to the spec C with my answer there.

Shaun

On a track, driving to his ability I suspect that John would be quicker in a Spec C...... but the question is by how much. I suspect the difference would not be that big..... and that surely is part of the consideration for us mere mortals. This is certainly the pragmatic view that John would have I suspect.

There is NOTHING more "focusing" than realising that the extra cash you have spent on a "on paper" quicker car, can quite easily be slower with you driving than someone else in a slower "on paper" car. It really can highlight, what for most of us, generally makes any car fast. YOU!

johnfelstead

I'm OK. But that doesnt change the fact the stock brakes with a decent pad/disk combo are very good for the majority of people/uses. If you are a half decent driver you barely use the brakes anyway.

Shaun

I'm not sure what's worse.....

Getting shot of the Spec C

or

Thinking like PSLewis

or

Agreeing with John that less is best!