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15 July 2010, 05:34 PM
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) and it can be a nightmare to remove them just to type something while i have a few mins spare.Seriously, try typing with some marigolds on, once you get past the initial erection stage, its bloody hard work
especially when they are a few days old and they have went all "grippy" due to chemical contact
15 July 2010, 05:39 PM
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If you judge you have to be prepared to be judged yourself.
15 July 2010, 05:55 PM
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I think Davyboy has a fair sentiment, badly expressed. Lee 247 confirms this when she points out that she no longer lives on a council estate and has a substantial property. Is there any more she could do to distance herself from living on a council estate? The difference here is between those who want to live on a council estate and those who don't have an option, but hope to do better for themselves or their kids. I think that was Davyboy's point, with no snobbery intended.
p.s. - What happened to EfoTH?
Did I miss out Efo in some spelling? If so, sorry about that. I am such a bottom-middleclasssicklessdick 
BTW, nice to see your post.
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15 July 2010, 06:49 PM
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Seriously, try typing with some marigolds on, once you get past the initial erection stage, its bloody hard work especially when they are a few days old and they have went all "grippy" due to chemical contact
Done would one like photo evidence
Swati hiya you mad thing
Done would one like photo evidence
Swati hiya you mad thing
15 July 2010, 10:56 PM
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Yes, how can you dislike a whole section of society, frankly thats a bit pathetic, in your book I must be ok, own a 4 bed house, white collar job, kids at private school and Im a right c*nt
Take people as you find them but dont let your guard down.
Moat though, he may have run a Kitten Sanctuary and helped old ladies across the road but the bare facts are that he shot three people with various outcomes, none of which were good. In this world there are Billions of individuals, everyone has a chance to go through their life and leave an impression by word or deed, whatever you do before pales into insignificance if you kill a man in cold blood, shoot a Policeman (blinding him) and shoot a woman who you were meant to care for. I dont know many nice guys that beat up people on a regualr basis, including their own kids and own illegal firearms.
There are too many people, most of which cause no harm or offence to anyone to give much credit to someone like Moat, of course those who he knew will say he was a decent bloke, but they didnt get shot in the face by him, even serial killers cant kill everyone they meet, basic human nature and society dictates we need to make some effort to fit in even if we are nutcases.
So, really, in the end, given all the evidence, I dont think he is a great loss to society, not when there are people who have done nothing wrong suffering who deserve the sympathy.
15 July 2010, 11:34 PM
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think people are taking the **** out of each other rather than seeing what the facts are here!!!!!!!!!!!! moat was a mindless bully but why? anabolic steroids mess with your mind and the press show he needed help he did the right thing in killing himself at least his family can rest now and the poor lifes that he has wrecked i feel for them deeply.this is in my opinion the authority's fault he clearly was a danger to his self and asked for help hes as much a victim as those he has harmed at least its finished lets hope the poor police man and his children can all rebuild there lifes...
16 July 2010, 12:31 AM
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but there are failings within the mental health bit within the nhs. I have a great recent example of this
16 July 2010, 10:48 AM
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Seriously, try typing with some marigolds on, once you get past the initial erection stage, its bloody hard work especially when they are a few days old and they have went all "grippy" due to chemical contact [/QUOTE]
What the fek were you doing with marigolds on AND typing
especially when they are a few days old and they have went all "grippy" due to chemical contact [/QUOTE]What the fek were you doing with marigolds on AND typing
16 July 2010, 01:42 PM
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Nah, that's bs imho, he was blame shifting. Next someone will say the effing devil made him do it . granted he may have ended up with some dodgy side effects from the 'roids, which are well known, but I don't believe he was a victim in this at all and saying so is pretty disrespectful to those killed and injured by him.
. granted he may have ended up with some dodgy side effects from the 'roids, which are well known, but I don't believe he was a victim in this at all and saying so is pretty disrespectful to those killed and injured by him.
16 July 2010, 02:11 PM
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No idea, like i said, i never met him, i just got told a load of info from a lad i would consider a very close mate, who was mates with the moat-meister.
We will probably not find out all the details until some channel 5 documentary has been made in a few years time.
I asked my mate a load of questions and the first thing he said was "what exactly have you heard" he said that "he has to be careful in what he says, but here is the general gist"
We will probably not find out all the details until some channel 5 documentary has been made in a few years time.
I asked my mate a load of questions and the first thing he said was "what exactly have you heard" he said that "he has to be careful in what he says, but here is the general gist"
Tragic story all round.
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16 July 2010, 02:40 PM
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Nah, that's bs imho, he was blame shifting. Next someone will say the effing devil made him do it . granted he may have ended up with some dodgy side effects from the 'roids, which are well known, but I don't believe he was a victim in this at all and saying so is pretty disrespectful to those killed and injured by him.
. granted he may have ended up with some dodgy side effects from the 'roids, which are well known, but I don't believe he was a victim in this at all and saying so is pretty disrespectful to those killed and injured by him.The fact remains that he was mentally ill and that was exacerbated by the steroids. It has to be that all that sent him out of his tree when all the other factors which affected him all added up. How often have you seen someone lose it completely and show irrational anger with the threat of some kind of bad action? With his further problems, that will most likely be the basic reason he did those terrible things having lost all self control at the time and being unable to regain it because of the problems in his mind.
I have not seen the Facebook page, I would not have anything to do with that site anyway. It sounds to me to have been well over the top of course. There is no way he can be regarded as a hero, but I don't believe it is fair to assume that he did it just in a fit of pique or that he was acting with deliberate criminal intent and with a sound mind.
The results of his actions are terrible, but rather than accuse him out of hand as a deliberate murderous thug, I think it would be fairer to bear in mind his mental state combined with the series of bad episodes and frustrations which he had in his life at that time.
It would be interesting to know how he felt about it all when he had those long discussions with the police on the river bank.
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16 July 2010, 03:52 PM
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So to stereo type. if you want to be a nutter you should live in a council estate and either be a. a Bouncer
b. a taxi driver.
Have a shotgun handy and away you go.
He was obviously deranged, he had no planning in place for escape, movements and no back up plans for food, ammunition, safe sleeping areas etc.
If you are going to go ON ONE you would have planned it all out till the last detail with all the possible outcomes, ie police tactics etc. he had enough time to think it all out inside.
He deserved to die and if it was anywhere else in the world it would have been shoot on sight.
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b. a taxi driver.
Have a shotgun handy and away you go.
He was obviously deranged, he had no planning in place for escape, movements and no back up plans for food, ammunition, safe sleeping areas etc.
If you are going to go ON ONE you would have planned it all out till the last detail with all the possible outcomes, ie police tactics etc. he had enough time to think it all out inside.
He deserved to die and if it was anywhere else in the world it would have been shoot on sight.
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02 August 2010, 07:55 PM
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Well,Moat was given a private burial today,with,what appeared to be various ne'er do wells.
Was watching channel 4news and they interviewed a woman who had made the long journey from Surrey,with her three teenage sons.She emulated all that is wrong and bizarre in this country-standing there in her football top,fresh 'white power' tattoo and not quite being able to put her finger on why she thought Moat was a hero and a life role model to her three sons.
A fitting epitaph...
Was watching channel 4news and they interviewed a woman who had made the long journey from Surrey,with her three teenage sons.She emulated all that is wrong and bizarre in this country-standing there in her football top,fresh 'white power' tattoo and not quite being able to put her finger on why she thought Moat was a hero and a life role model to her three sons.
A fitting epitaph...
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02 August 2010, 08:10 PM
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Interviews from the wise at his funeral:
Jobless Mr Ingham said: "He was only in prison four months and his lass started cheating on him with another man, and said it was a copper. It was cracking him up. There is only so much some people can take. I would have done exactly the same thing if I was in jail and my lass was cheating on me."
Mother-of-eight Theresa Bystram, 45, travelled from Weybridge, Surrey, on an overnight bus to the crematorium with three of her teenage sons. Despite admitting she did did not know Moat, she said: "I absolutely loved him. I just think he is a hero and I wanted to pay my respects. He kept them coppers on the run all that time. Fair enough people died but they must have deserved it."
Jobless Mr Ingham said: "He was only in prison four months and his lass started cheating on him with another man, and said it was a copper. It was cracking him up. There is only so much some people can take. I would have done exactly the same thing if I was in jail and my lass was cheating on me."
Mother-of-eight Theresa Bystram, 45, travelled from Weybridge, Surrey, on an overnight bus to the crematorium with three of her teenage sons. Despite admitting she did did not know Moat, she said: "I absolutely loved him. I just think he is a hero and I wanted to pay my respects. He kept them coppers on the run all that time. Fair enough people died but they must have deserved it."
03 August 2010, 10:21 AM
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His elevation to folk-hero is 'cos of the way the Police are conducting themselves these days; ordinary people don't trust them basically, they are useless for day-to-day crime and would rather sit in lay bys napping minor motoring offenders than do proper police work in the communities.
03 August 2010, 01:18 PM
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His elevation to folk-hero is 'cos of the way the Police are conducting themselves these days; ordinary people don't trust them basically, they are useless for day-to-day crime and would rather sit in lay bys napping minor motoring offenders than do proper police work in the communities.
The reason why people are anti Police is either they have been wronged by the Police (rare) or caught bang to rights for something illegal, or just up to no good.
I have never had a problem with the Police, I find that those who do tend to be the ones doing something they shouldnt.
I got a speeding fine, fair enough, my own fault, I dont blame the Police, it isnt them.
But Moat being a hero, no he was a Psychotic, unstable killer, nobody wants to be like that so a certain (small) ammount of sympathy but he should have just offed himself or turned himself in.
03 August 2010, 02:02 PM
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His elevation to folk-hero is 'cos of the way the Police are conducting themselves these days; ordinary people don't trust them basically, they are useless for day-to-day crime and would rather sit in lay bys napping minor motoring offenders than do proper police work in the communities.
How many officers, as a percentage, do you think spend their time "napping" motorists?
not everyone mind