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15 July 2010, 08:17 AM
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....pretty sure I don't have a superiority or inferiority complex. I just don't like the working class or council house dwellers.
Some poeple don't like gays or transexuals (Freaks they are called on here)....as long as they aren't poor I don't care
Some poeple don't like gays or transexuals (Freaks they are called on here)....as long as they aren't poor I don't care
15 July 2010, 08:24 AM
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Why anyone, no matter where they come from, find him some sort of hero or think he was hard done by is beyond me. He is/was a murderer and a paranoid drug abuser (steroids = drug abuse) with no regard for human life when you can shoot someone at random point blank in the face with a shotgun.
15 July 2010, 08:52 AM
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It was reported that before all these dreadful happenings that he was well respected in his local area by the people in general and his friends as a very pleasant and helpful person. This will doubtless explain all the flowers and messages left around the place.
He obviously had a problem mentally and this must have been excacerbated by the reported reaction to the steroids he was taking. The loss of his girlfriend must have been the final event which set him off and the prison sentence would not have helped.
He obviously realised he was not right by his request for psychiatric treatment and he demonstrated unbalanced behaviour during that episode as well.
All this was part of his history which was known and coupled with the information from the prison authorities and his fellow prisoners as well as his earlier violent behaviour, his threats to harm his girlfriend should have been taken seriously as subsequent events have proved. She had told him she was going with a copper to try to keep him away from her but by that time he was well out of his tree even to the taking of revenge on that poor copper who has lost his sight even though he just about got away with his life.
I get the impression that he was not an out and out criminal but that his mental instability which he could not help was at the root of all the troubles. I think that with all that was known about his state of mind and previous actions that the authorities in general were at fault for not taking positive action to protect others from his threatened actions.
That does mean that I am making him out to be some kind of hero before it all starts, but that he had demonstrated a gentle side to his personality earlier in his life and that events beyond his control changed him to a vicious killer. He was mentally ill!
Les
He obviously had a problem mentally and this must have been excacerbated by the reported reaction to the steroids he was taking. The loss of his girlfriend must have been the final event which set him off and the prison sentence would not have helped.
He obviously realised he was not right by his request for psychiatric treatment and he demonstrated unbalanced behaviour during that episode as well.
All this was part of his history which was known and coupled with the information from the prison authorities and his fellow prisoners as well as his earlier violent behaviour, his threats to harm his girlfriend should have been taken seriously as subsequent events have proved. She had told him she was going with a copper to try to keep him away from her but by that time he was well out of his tree even to the taking of revenge on that poor copper who has lost his sight even though he just about got away with his life.
I get the impression that he was not an out and out criminal but that his mental instability which he could not help was at the root of all the troubles. I think that with all that was known about his state of mind and previous actions that the authorities in general were at fault for not taking positive action to protect others from his threatened actions.
That does mean that I am making him out to be some kind of hero before it all starts, but that he had demonstrated a gentle side to his personality earlier in his life and that events beyond his control changed him to a vicious killer. He was mentally ill!
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15 July 2010, 08:53 AM
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The guy was a violent fool who is (posthumously) using the age old trick of trying to say he was disturbed, as an excuse for his actions. The evaluations he did have apparently showed that there was nothing wrong with him, he was just a c**t.
He knew what he was doing, he incited everything that happened and paid the penalty (all too late though).
Had a look at the page and it's a shame that people are joining the page to criticse it (hence building it's numbers) rather than just reporting the page due to some of the content.
People are super dumb
He knew what he was doing, he incited everything that happened and paid the penalty (all too late though).
Had a look at the page and it's a shame that people are joining the page to criticse it (hence building it's numbers) rather than just reporting the page due to some of the content.
People are super dumb
15 July 2010, 08:53 AM
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TH - They should have shot him anyway. Sometimes I get pissed off with <insert anything here> - I don't go off on a shooting rampage, killing and blinding people.
I think Davyboy has a fair sentiment, badly expressed. Lee 247 confirms this when she points out that she no longer lives on a council estate and has a substantial property. Is there any more she could do to distance herself from living on a council estate? The difference here is between those who want to live on a council estate and those who don't have an option, but hope to do better for themselves or their kids. I think that was Davyboy's point, with no snobbery intended.
p.s. - What happened to EfoTH?
I think Davyboy has a fair sentiment, badly expressed. Lee 247 confirms this when she points out that she no longer lives on a council estate and has a substantial property. Is there any more she could do to distance herself from living on a council estate? The difference here is between those who want to live on a council estate and those who don't have an option, but hope to do better for themselves or their kids. I think that was Davyboy's point, with no snobbery intended.
p.s. - What happened to EfoTH?
The fact I moved on was down to sheer hard work, nothing to do with wanting to distance myself in any shape or form.
Moat still got what he deserved
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15 July 2010, 08:54 AM
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It was reported that before all these dreadful happenings that he was well respected in his local area by the people in general and his friends as a very pleasant and helpful person. This will doubtless explain all the flowers and messages left around the place.
He obviously had a problem mentally and this must have been excacerbated by the reported reaction to the steroids he was taking. The loss of his girlfriend must have been the final event which set him off and the prison sentence would not have helped.
He obviously realised he was not right by his request for psychiatric treatment and he demonstrated unbalanced behaviour during that episode as well.
All this was part of his history which was known and coupled with the information from the prison authorities and his fellow prisoners as well as his earlier violent behaviour, his threats to harm his girlfriend should have been taken seriously as subsequent events have proved. She had told him she was going with a copper to try to keep him away from her but by that time he was well out of his tree even to the taking of revenge on that poor copper who has lost his sight even though he just about got away with his life.
I get the impression that he was not an out and out criminal but that his mental instability which he could not help was at the root of all the troubles. I think that with all that was known about his state of mind and previous actions that the authorities in general were at fault for not taking positive action to protect others from his threatened actions.
That does mean that I am making him out to be some kind of hero before it all starts, but that he had demonstrated a gentle side to his personality earlier in his life and that events beyond his control changed him to a vicious killer. He was mentally ill!
Les
He obviously had a problem mentally and this must have been excacerbated by the reported reaction to the steroids he was taking. The loss of his girlfriend must have been the final event which set him off and the prison sentence would not have helped.
He obviously realised he was not right by his request for psychiatric treatment and he demonstrated unbalanced behaviour during that episode as well.
All this was part of his history which was known and coupled with the information from the prison authorities and his fellow prisoners as well as his earlier violent behaviour, his threats to harm his girlfriend should have been taken seriously as subsequent events have proved. She had told him she was going with a copper to try to keep him away from her but by that time he was well out of his tree even to the taking of revenge on that poor copper who has lost his sight even though he just about got away with his life.
I get the impression that he was not an out and out criminal but that his mental instability which he could not help was at the root of all the troubles. I think that with all that was known about his state of mind and previous actions that the authorities in general were at fault for not taking positive action to protect others from his threatened actions.
That does mean that I am making him out to be some kind of hero before it all starts, but that he had demonstrated a gentle side to his personality earlier in his life and that events beyond his control changed him to a vicious killer. He was mentally ill!
Les
15 July 2010, 09:12 AM
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Les on the flip side according to his Mother he became a changed person at the age of 19 when he started martial arts/body building and taking steroids. His Mother hadn't spoken to him since the age of 19 due to his complete change of personality and he was no longer the person she knew as who she brought up. The fact she said he was better of dead sums up how badly he must have gone down hill to a violent paranoid nut job.
Of course seeing as to how his ex girlfriend lied about her new boyfriend being a copper who is to say whether he really did beat up his own son or not and she just wasn't a spiteful b!tch who was out to hurt him during their break up. However, plenty of blokes go through nasty break ups, you don't then go on a killing spree.
Of course seeing as to how his ex girlfriend lied about her new boyfriend being a copper who is to say whether he really did beat up his own son or not and she just wasn't a spiteful b!tch who was out to hurt him during their break up. However, plenty of blokes go through nasty break ups, you don't then go on a killing spree.
15 July 2010, 09:44 AM
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What about the poor sod he murdered?
Anyone glorifying Moat and/or his actions is clearly devoid of any grey matter and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
Anyone glorifying Moat and/or his actions is clearly devoid of any grey matter and should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.
15 July 2010, 09:45 AM
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It was reported that before all these dreadful happenings that he was well respected in his local area by the people in general and his friends as a very pleasant and helpful person. This will doubtless explain all the flowers and messages left around the place.
He obviously had a problem mentally and this must have been excacerbated by the reported reaction to the steroids he was taking. The loss of his girlfriend must have been the final event which set him off and the prison sentence would not have helped.
He obviously realised he was not right by his request for psychiatric treatment and he demonstrated unbalanced behaviour during that episode as well.
All this was part of his history which was known and coupled with the information from the prison authorities and his fellow prisoners as well as his earlier violent behaviour, his threats to harm his girlfriend should have been taken seriously as subsequent events have proved. She had told him she was going with a copper to try to keep him away from her but by that time he was well out of his tree even to the taking of revenge on that poor copper who has lost his sight even though he just about got away with his life.
I get the impression that he was not an out and out criminal but that his mental instability which he could not help was at the root of all the troubles. I think that with all that was known about his state of mind and previous actions that the authorities in general were at fault for not taking positive action to protect others from his threatened actions.
That does mean that I am making him out to be some kind of hero before it all starts, but that he had demonstrated a gentle side to his personality earlier in his life and that events beyond his control changed him to a vicious killer. He was mentally ill!
Les
He obviously had a problem mentally and this must have been excacerbated by the reported reaction to the steroids he was taking. The loss of his girlfriend must have been the final event which set him off and the prison sentence would not have helped.
He obviously realised he was not right by his request for psychiatric treatment and he demonstrated unbalanced behaviour during that episode as well.
All this was part of his history which was known and coupled with the information from the prison authorities and his fellow prisoners as well as his earlier violent behaviour, his threats to harm his girlfriend should have been taken seriously as subsequent events have proved. She had told him she was going with a copper to try to keep him away from her but by that time he was well out of his tree even to the taking of revenge on that poor copper who has lost his sight even though he just about got away with his life.
I get the impression that he was not an out and out criminal but that his mental instability which he could not help was at the root of all the troubles. I think that with all that was known about his state of mind and previous actions that the authorities in general were at fault for not taking positive action to protect others from his threatened actions.
That does mean that I am making him out to be some kind of hero before it all starts, but that he had demonstrated a gentle side to his personality earlier in his life and that events beyond his control changed him to a vicious killer. He was mentally ill!
Les
I'm usually the last person to even buy into the "beyond his control" line, but something doesn't quite sit right to me on this whole story.
Yes, Moat deserved to die. No, the policeman didn't (as far as we know) deserve to be shot in the face. We are also assuming that the ex and her new boyfriend were undeserving of any retribution from Moat.
And yet many in his community (from, it appears, all backgrounds) appeared to have had lot of time for him, as evidenced by the events following his death (excluding the facebook rubbish).
For all we know he could have been hounded by the police, driven to the point of madness by his ex and the new bloke, set up for the charge he did time for, and simply lost the plot.
I have the greatest respect for the police as a whole. I have, however, been around long enough to have experienced first hand a number of complete and utter arrogant, discourteous, stereotyping power tripping b@stards who have no place in society, let alone the police force.
I absolutely don't condone what he did and if it had been me in charge, I'd have had him shot on sight, however I can understand why he might have done it.
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15 July 2010, 10:09 AM
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Whilst it is true that most dirty scrubbers live on a council estate: it isnt correct or fair to suggest that anyone who lives on a council estate is a dirty scrubber.
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15 July 2010, 10:20 AM
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I heard from a source up this way that he gave some chap a right old kicking and was found with knuckle dusters afterwards, i was told this was to do with him working as a doorman somewhere.
Some of the ****e that has been in the media has been laughable to be honest, but like i said in the other thread, i know what he was up to, and he was defo what i consider a "bad chap"
I don't think he was "unstable" he just got super angry and took it toooooooo far, plenty of folk like that kicking about.
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15 July 2010, 10:23 AM
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15 July 2010, 12:01 PM
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Les on the flip side according to his Mother he became a changed person at the age of 19 when he started martial arts/body building and taking steroids. His Mother hadn't spoken to him since the age of 19 due to his complete change of personality and he was no longer the person she knew as who she brought up. The fact she said he was better of dead sums up how badly he must have gone down hill to a violent paranoid nut job.
Of course seeing as to how his ex girlfriend lied about her new boyfriend being a copper who is to say whether he really did beat up his own son or not and she just wasn't a spiteful b!tch who was out to hurt him during their break up. However, plenty of blokes go through nasty break ups, you don't then go on a killing spree.
Of course seeing as to how his ex girlfriend lied about her new boyfriend being a copper who is to say whether he really did beat up his own son or not and she just wasn't a spiteful b!tch who was out to hurt him during their break up. However, plenty of blokes go through nasty break ups, you don't then go on a killing spree.
I would say that a great number of blokes get through unhappy break ups of course, and they don't feel like going out and shooting a few people because they are not mentally unbalanced.
Of course any sensible person will be shocked at those dreadful events, but by the same token, when assessing him, it is only right to include his seriously affected state of mind, due evidently to the steroids as much as anything. The fact remains that he was mentally ill. That is why I criticised Cameron's statement in the House.
Best place for him in the first place would have been Broadmoor.
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15 July 2010, 12:12 PM
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With regards to RM, Im inclined to believe what Mick Owens says, rather than FB boll*cks, seeing as he knows people who knew him.
15 July 2010, 12:26 PM
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Another thing i heard he was at his mothers just before his rampage, and was listening in to a conversation under a window, which had his mother and his ex missus slagging him off...........
15 July 2010, 01:04 PM
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Oh Yeah, if I ever hear someone slagging me off, that's it, I'm going postal
15 July 2010, 01:28 PM
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It came from his mate when i heard it
Its pretty obvious that his family have had a huge large part in it, i have just watched a video that his brother did for Sky news and his brother is either lying, or did not know what he was really like.
With him not speaking to him for a while, i will err on the side of "not really knowing him"
The Facebook group is laughable, the thing is though, a lot of the "bad" men around this way don't act like bad men most of the time, a lot of them waltz around in suits, the ones who were taking money from this site for protection were always suited up, you would never have thought if you saw them in the street, they just seam normal, it is just that the part of the brain that says "this is evil" is switched off.
3 mates of mine who are registered on this forum have met him in the past, and they all were as surprised as the next bloke about the whole thing, a lot of the "pyscho" nut cases do not run about like lunatics 24/7, it is usually the "minions" who do the dirty work.
When my parents moved into their new house a few years back, we all thought it was a nice tidy little area, it was 2 years later i found out that one of the big dogs, who owns a local "security company" was one of our neighbours
He seamed like a decent enough business man to me never would have thought of it to be honest.
The only way i found out was some clown trying to car jack me at some traffic lights, and had told me he was this bloke (a name i had not heard off), i told him to **** off and drove away, and when i asked a few dodgy mates/chaps about the name they were like "it was not him, he lives in your street, and i know he would not do it because he is my uncle" "if you see the bloke again ring me straight away we will sort it" 
Its pretty obvious that his family have had a huge large part in it, i have just watched a video that his brother did for Sky news and his brother is either lying, or did not know what he was really like.
With him not speaking to him for a while, i will err on the side of "not really knowing him"
The Facebook group is laughable, the thing is though, a lot of the "bad" men around this way don't act like bad men most of the time, a lot of them waltz around in suits, the ones who were taking money from this site for protection were always suited up, you would never have thought if you saw them in the street, they just seam normal, it is just that the part of the brain that says "this is evil" is switched off.
3 mates of mine who are registered on this forum have met him in the past, and they all were as surprised as the next bloke about the whole thing, a lot of the "pyscho" nut cases do not run about like lunatics 24/7, it is usually the "minions" who do the dirty work.
When my parents moved into their new house a few years back, we all thought it was a nice tidy little area, it was 2 years later i found out that one of the big dogs, who owns a local "security company" was one of our neighbours
He seamed like a decent enough business man to me
never would have thought of it to be honest.The only way i found out was some clown trying to car jack me at some traffic lights, and had told me he was this bloke (a name i had not heard off), i told him to **** off and drove away, and when i asked a few dodgy mates/chaps about the name they were like "it was not him, he lives in your street, and i know he would not do it because he is my uncle"
"if you see the bloke again ring me straight away we will sort it"
15 July 2010, 01:32 PM
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It came from his mate when i heard it
Its pretty obvious that his family have had a huge large part in it, i have just watched a video that his brother did for Sky news and his brother is either lying, or did not know what he was really like.
With him not speaking to him for a while, i will err on the side of "not really knowing him"
The Facebook group is laughable, the thing is though, a lot of the "bad" men around this way don't act like bad men most of the time, a lot of them waltz around in suits, the ones who were taking money from this site for protection were always suited up, you would never have thought if you saw them in the street, they just seam normal, it is just that the part of the brain that says "this is evil" is switched off.
3 mates of mine who are registered on this forum have met him in the past, and they all were as surprised as the next bloke about the whole thing, a lot of the "pyscho" nut cases do not run about like lunatics 24/7, it is usually the "minions" who do the dirty work.
When my parents moved into their new house a few years back, we all thought it was a nice tidy little area, it was 2 years later i found out that one of the big dogs, who owns a local "security company" was one of our neighbours
He seamed like a decent enough business man to me never would have thought of it to be honest.
The only way i found out was some clown trying to car jack me at some traffic lights, and had told me he was this bloke (a name i had not heard off), i told him to **** off and drove away, and when i asked a few dodgy mates/chaps about the name they were like "it was not him, he lives in your street, and i know he would not do it because he is my uncle" "if you see the bloke again ring me straight away we will sort it"
Its pretty obvious that his family have had a huge large part in it, i have just watched a video that his brother did for Sky news and his brother is either lying, or did not know what he was really like.
With him not speaking to him for a while, i will err on the side of "not really knowing him"
The Facebook group is laughable, the thing is though, a lot of the "bad" men around this way don't act like bad men most of the time, a lot of them waltz around in suits, the ones who were taking money from this site for protection were always suited up, you would never have thought if you saw them in the street, they just seam normal, it is just that the part of the brain that says "this is evil" is switched off.
3 mates of mine who are registered on this forum have met him in the past, and they all were as surprised as the next bloke about the whole thing, a lot of the "pyscho" nut cases do not run about like lunatics 24/7, it is usually the "minions" who do the dirty work.
When my parents moved into their new house a few years back, we all thought it was a nice tidy little area, it was 2 years later i found out that one of the big dogs, who owns a local "security company" was one of our neighbours
He seamed like a decent enough business man to me
never would have thought of it to be honest.The only way i found out was some clown trying to car jack me at some traffic lights, and had told me he was this bloke (a name i had not heard off), i told him to **** off and drove away, and when i asked a few dodgy mates/chaps about the name they were like "it was not him, he lives in your street, and i know he would not do it because he is my uncle"
"if you see the bloke again ring me straight away we will sort it"
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No idea, like i said, i never met him, i just got told a load of info from a lad i would consider a very close mate, who was mates with the moat-meister.
We will probably not find out all the details until some channel 5 documentary has been made in a few years time.
I asked my mate a load of questions and the first thing he said was "what exactly have you heard" he said that "he has to be careful in what he says, but here is the general gist"
We will probably not find out all the details until some channel 5 documentary has been made in a few years time.
I asked my mate a load of questions and the first thing he said was "what exactly have you heard" he said that "he has to be careful in what he says, but here is the general gist"
15 July 2010, 01:42 PM
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It came from his mate when i heard it
Its pretty obvious that his family have had a huge large part in it, i have just watched a video that his brother did for Sky news and his brother is either lying, or did not know what he was really like.
With him not speaking to him for a while, i will err on the side of "not really knowing him"
The Facebook group is laughable, the thing is though, a lot of the "bad" men around this way don't act like bad men most of the time, a lot of them waltz around in suits, the ones who were taking money from this site for protection were always suited up, you would never have thought if you saw them in the street, they just seam normal, it is just that the part of the brain that says "this is evil" is switched off.
3 mates of mine who are registered on this forum have met him in the past, and they all were as surprised as the next bloke about the whole thing, a lot of the "pyscho" nut cases do not run about like lunatics 24/7, it is usually the "minions" who do the dirty work.
When my parents moved into their new house a few years back, we all thought it was a nice tidy little area, it was 2 years later i found out that one of the big dogs, who owns a local "security company" was one of our neighbours
He seamed like a decent enough business man to me never would have thought of it to be honest.
The only way i found out was some clown trying to car jack me at some traffic lights, and had told me he was this bloke (a name i had not heard off), i told him to **** off and drove away, and when i asked a few dodgy mates/chaps about the name they were like "it was not him, he lives in your street, and i know he would not do it because he is my uncle" "if you see the bloke again ring me straight away we will sort it"
Its pretty obvious that his family have had a huge large part in it, i have just watched a video that his brother did for Sky news and his brother is either lying, or did not know what he was really like.
With him not speaking to him for a while, i will err on the side of "not really knowing him"
The Facebook group is laughable, the thing is though, a lot of the "bad" men around this way don't act like bad men most of the time, a lot of them waltz around in suits, the ones who were taking money from this site for protection were always suited up, you would never have thought if you saw them in the street, they just seam normal, it is just that the part of the brain that says "this is evil" is switched off.
3 mates of mine who are registered on this forum have met him in the past, and they all were as surprised as the next bloke about the whole thing, a lot of the "pyscho" nut cases do not run about like lunatics 24/7, it is usually the "minions" who do the dirty work.
When my parents moved into their new house a few years back, we all thought it was a nice tidy little area, it was 2 years later i found out that one of the big dogs, who owns a local "security company" was one of our neighbours
He seamed like a decent enough business man to me
never would have thought of it to be honest.The only way i found out was some clown trying to car jack me at some traffic lights, and had told me he was this bloke (a name i had not heard off), i told him to **** off and drove away, and when i asked a few dodgy mates/chaps about the name they were like "it was not him, he lives in your street, and i know he would not do it because he is my uncle"
"if you see the bloke again ring me straight away we will sort it" It's more a choice to do wrong than a switching off of knowing what is right from wrong though, imho
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Was not my mate who posted on a Facebook page, he would never have done that to be honest, it is more than likely true though.
I will be all Chinese whispered to death by next month though, moaty was riding a horse backwards while eating a plate of spaghetti, when he fell off and ended up under near his mothers window, she was busy praying to gazza
which set him off on a rampage
I will be all Chinese whispered to death by next month though, moaty was riding a horse backwards while eating a plate of spaghetti, when he fell off and ended up under near his mothers window, she was busy praying to gazza
which set him off on a rampage
15 July 2010, 02:03 PM
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Was not my mate who posted on a Facebook page, he would never have done that to be honest, it is more than likely true though.
I will be all Chinese whispered to death by next month though, moaty was riding a horse backwards while eating a plate of spaghetti, when he fell off and ended up under near his mothers window, she was busy praying to gazza which set him off on a rampage
I will be all Chinese whispered to death by next month though, moaty was riding a horse backwards while eating a plate of spaghetti, when he fell off and ended up under near his mothers window, she was busy praying to gazza
which set him off on a rampage
15 July 2010, 04:57 PM
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Re Moat, I think the media must take some responsibility for fuelling his craze. When you plaster his mug shot on the front page and put the words 'Britains most wanted man' you are giving his ego a huge boost. His mother stating she wished he was dead, again plastered on the front pages is hardly going to help a very unstable mind. In short I think the absolute sensationalizing of this case by the media helped to fuel Moat in his crazed behaviour. This doesn't excuse anything he did I hasten to add but I feel it did tip him over the edge.
15 July 2010, 05:13 PM
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Whilst I dont have any sympathy for the guy, he was a murderer at the end of the day. I dont think he was all the ticket.
If the old bill wanted to keep him alive though they wouldnt have tasered him. The body works on electrical impulses sent by the brain, so to hit him whilst he had a gun to his neck they must have been intending to kill him, the spasm would have caused him to pull the trigger.
If the old bill wanted to keep him alive though they wouldnt have tasered him. The body works on electrical impulses sent by the brain, so to hit him whilst he had a gun to his neck they must have been intending to kill him, the spasm would have caused him to pull the trigger.
15 July 2010, 05:27 PM
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He seamed like a decent enough business man to me
You lost me on that part Micky care to elaborate without SPOLLING MISTAKES
decent enough business man to me ?
You lost me on that part Micky care to elaborate without SPOLLING MISTAKES
decent enough business man to me ?