Felix.

I must have heard it a thousand times where someone threatens another with “I’LL KILL EM” or my ex is “GOING TO KILL ME”. Do you want all the police to wait on peoples doorsteps just in case?

If she had felt that threatened, then she would have stayed somewhere else. I must have heard this a thousand times as well. “MY BOYFRIEND IS GOING TO COME TO THE PUB TONIGHT AND BEAT ME UP” Well, why not go to another pub then “OH NO - I DON’T WANT TO, ITS MY LOCAL”

Leslie

Well thats a very thin excuse for what happened this time Felix. Along the same lines as that chief constable's attempts.

If the Durham Gaol authorities felt that what they heard from another prisoner was important enough to warn his local police force then surely some action should have been taken in case that information was accurate.

If the police feel that they have to arrest a man for having a Swiss Army Knife in the glove pocket of his car in order to protect the public when he had done nothing to put himself under suspicion, then what happened this time-and look at the result!.

Les

boomer

So how come Paul Chambers gets a £385 fine and £600 costs plus a criminal record, loses his job and gets his phone and computer confiscated just because he jokes on Twatter that...

...or do the police get to pick and choose who they want to bully (seeing as Moat looked pretty 'ard!)??

mb

Felix.

The information would have been passed on regardless as to what it was. If the prison or the probation service had thought the threat was serious enough, then they could have stopped him from leaving. If the threat was taken that serious, then she would have been warned to leave - if this was done and she decided not to, then is it the police's fault?

And how far do you want this to go, Are we to protect her home, her car, her journey to work, her workplace, the school where her children are at, her local supermarket, her regular Saturday night pub crawl...... just in case he pops up. And for how long - suppose it was an idle threat it went back to being Mr Ordinary - do we keep the swat teams in place until one of them dies from old age.

Then if you get burgled - would you be OK to hear that the local PC is busy guarding a local supermarket just in case.

There are not enough of us to go around.......

Felix.

Hang on, so he pleaded guilty at first – which must have meant he admitted the offences in his interview. So he goes to court and changes his plea, his interview is read out in which he admits the offence and wonders why he is found guilty....!!!!

The police didn’t get to choose anything. A complaint was made to the police from the airport management in which they highlighted a potential crime (threatening messages).

So your victim has not found the threat as a joke, therefore a crime has occurred.

So, a crime has occurred, therefore it’s the police’s job to investigate that crime.

Suspect is found in which he gives a ‘guilty’ interview based on the evidence presented to him.

This get passed to CPS – who will think, hmmmm an offence has taken place and we have a suspect who has admitted that offence. Is there enough to go to court – Yes.

So it goes to court, where the evidence is heard in front of a magistrate or jury and the person is found guilty.

So, what did you want the police to do differently?

Leslie

Not for me to tell you how to do your job, but I feel entitled to comment if it is apparent that nothing was done in spite of the significant warning from Durham Gaol.

Would the easiest way have been to monitor the man in question.

I know perfectly well that the managers have loaded you down with goodness knows how many regulations and how to do your jobs in a fully PC manner. Also how you have all those targets to fulfil at the cost of being able to use your own intelligence and also at the cost of being able to do the job in the sort of effective manner that it used to be done. I also realise that you hardly get any time to get out of the office anyway. I see a policeman in the streets of my town approximately every 6 weeks! Even the CSO's are hardly seen either. In the days when there were considerably less coppers in the forces you always used to see one around the place monitoring what was going on.

The public want to see a real police presence so that they have a sense of some kind of protection going on.

I wonder why when a friend of Moat was visited by him during this affair and informed the police about it, that the police took over an hour to turn up?

What is going on Felix?

Les

madscoob

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what i find interesting is the lack of mention about the fact that the shotgun wasnt legally held

dazdavies

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Felix spouting his usual pro police BS rhetoric again.

I'm from Doncaster let's see how the following turns out:

Felix , if only someone would strap some PE4 to you and blow you sky high

Felix.

No - in case he gets someone else to do it, you need to protect the subject rather that chase a potential threat that may never materialise


Who knows - were they called straight away, what was said by the friend in the phone call, was it one of thousand similar calls - we must have had about 30 sightings of him where we are, all seemingly genuine.

If the jail had thought the threat was significant, they could have delayed his release - wasn't he released early?

And if the girlfriend had felt that threatened, why didn't she move away - even for a few days?

Leslie

Surely if he said that Moat had just visited him, what else did they need to know?

I don't know the convoluted regulations with respect to prisoner release, but apparently the other prisoner told the prison authorities just after Moat was released anyway. Their only recourse was to inform the police.

Was the ex girl friend told that he was a threat to her, did she even know he had been released. Why did the police not pass on the information to her?

Les

stormyuklondon1

do you have a link to where this has been reported? i cant seem to find it on the usual news carriers?

Felix.

What position in the queue it is. We had someone where we are who had a conversation with Moat on a cycle track on Thursday night

Nice of them to wait till its too late to tell anyone - or did this emege after Moat hit the headlines.

If the threat was perceived as genuine, then I assume she was told. I don't know the ins and outs of the case to state as certain. However she would have been told about his release by probabtion service or domestic violence unit.

Rob_Impreza99

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I agree with Chris Brown`s mother when she said this in a statement

Chris Brown's mother also criticised his girlfriend Samantha Stobbart - Moat's ex - for telling the burly former nightclub doorman that she was dating a police officer.

I doubt any of this would have happened if it hadn`t been for the comments made by Raoul Moat`s ex girlfriend, you just don`t go telling a pumped up body builder thats on steroids who is also mentally unstable and has a dislike for the police that she`s dating a police officer.

What he did was wrong but it was like a red rag to a bull with those comments.

Leslie

It certainly looks as though the threat was genuine!

Les

MICAWRX

Haha, I was chatting with a relation who was a senior copper.

I asked why they didn't just send the army boys from Otterburn to find him... the response was because of what you said in your post... he would live for about 30 secs once spotted.

Obviously the military lads apply to much logic for the police!

Bonehead

Lots of Police are ex-forces.

MICAWRX

Really

Leslie

Sorry no link but it was reported in the News and in various newspapers.

Les

Rob_Impreza99

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Yes but ex military training isn`t much use when you join the police as you have to follow police regulations to the letter of ther law which are a lot different to military regulations. If your ex military it must be a frustrating job when you join the police with so much red tape.

Leslie

Here is one I found, there are several if you look.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...d-to-kill.html

Les

stormyuklondon1

thanks for that, but that article say's nothing about the prisoner telling the authorities after moats release, only this..
Asked if he was shocked by the shootings in the Newcastle area at the weekend, the man added: “Yes, really shocked. But in a way I knew that there was something like that going to happen because he's told me, told many other inmates, he's even told officers.”

which kind of poses the question, why did the prison service do nothing prior to his release? their **** up, methinks.

i'm still interested where you heard about the prisoner telling authorities about moats state of mind after his release. you've mentioned it on a couple of threads , however there appears to be no evidence to back it up. so far its only hearsay. if the papers reported it surely it would be on there websites? which papers please?

billythekid

Hm, dont agree with that. Military operators have to abide by the same rules - if not more so. Their identity might be protected at the time of an investigation / prosecution but thats about it. They will still get dragged through the process if they shoot someone.

Bonehead

Wrong, any use of force has to be justified and appropriate, more so with plod as the spotlight's greater.

Putting up with all the red tape isn't so bad, you get on with it and deal with it, it's called being professional.

The difference with the Police is, there's so much more spotlight and scrutiny on the Police, especially with people getting their mobile phones out and filming everything you do.
If it doesn't go perfectly like some sort of fictional TV show then the media start complaining and folks start questioning everything that gets done.

Sadly in the real world things dont go to plan

Leslie

Thats the trouble when you have to deal with people!

Les