TonyBurns

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Its the fact you have a gear for everything on the 6 speed, on the 5 you can just find yourself stuck "between gears" as you dont have enough to change down and changing up is putting you in a flat spot
The 6 is actually a nicer box, and you can skip gears in it, something thats a little difficult to do with the 5 speed

Tony

banny sti

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Have a v5 sti with a newage engine (avcs not running) twin scroll turbo setup running 325bhp and did a 12.7 quarter against an evo 6 running a evo 9 80 series turbo (good for 400+ bhp) that could only manage a 12.9. Go figure......

Banny

chrisevo2000

Well,having owned a variety of Evos and Imprezas,I feel I can put my tuppence worth in!
My Evo 5 RS,had 390 hp and 360lb/ft.It was stripped out and very short geared.This car was rapid!!
In all honesty,I prefer my Spec C,to drive.
I like the way I can pootle along,in 6th,at 30mph and the car pulls fine.It feels more refined.I would love to strip the C,but it would be impracticle.
Okay the Evo is definitely quicker,in a straight line,but it is putting out a lot more power.My C is circa 350hp and heavier.
I can compare the speed of my C,to the 390hp 5 GSR,that I had.(this was a lot heavier,than my RS)
I love both marques,but there is no denying,the C is a completely different animal to drive,than the RS.
I have just put 4 new Goodyear assymetrics on,so look forward to exploring the C's handling,once they are scrubbed in.
Then,once the money fairy has been,I will start upping the power,a bit.400/400 would be nice!
Chris

Stevesbluewrx

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Nice bit of feeback mate.

EVO V Scoob crop up again and again. EVO's have always been better out the box full stop.

The fact they have the following as standard speaks for itself.
FMIC
Oil Cooler etc (don't the later models have a 3 port too?)

A prime example of this was my mate who had a EVO III with some mild mods. Never had it re-mapped or anyting. On our way back from the Sunseeker rally a few years back we had a spirited drive. At the time my car was running 330 bhp / 315 lbft and his he thought was around 280 bhp / 260 lbft or so.

I was shocked that once I got past him I looked in my mirror and he came tearing passed me.
My VF35 ran out of puff and his TD05 16G kept going!! That was the reason I went ***** out and made changes to my car. lol

I'm putting out 453bhp / 386lbft on my 2.0ltr UK spec engine with sports cat etc. Would like to get more torque but it's never going to happen on that engine.

Personally I found the 6 speed UK box a bloody nightmare on the VF35 turbo. Changing gear all the time to suit the rev range. I don't really have the problem now on the MD321T and supporting mods to be honest and think the box is nicer to drive with.

Anyway...back on topic.

Steve

aXeL

Steve, sorry to sidetrack, are you running your 321T on a 2.0? I've just picked up a 321T for my STI8 but my garage is advising not to bother with it unless I convert to 2.5! I don't supposed you have a piccy of a dyno run you could send me? Would love to see the graphs for a 2.0.

Stevesbluewrx

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Hey mate, PM on it's way.


Steve

dazdavies

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Never mind Evo vs Scoob.

Tony stop spouting your biased rhetoric!!!

Everything you say is how much better a newage is than a classic and how much better the Spec C is than everything.

Out of the box I agree but I'd put a well sorted 500bhp classic against a 500bhp Spec C and come out on top anyday of the week!!!!

Anger

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The T is a great turbo on a 2.0 mate... my old RA made 451bhp 410lbsft on it and even spooled faster than a 20G

Stevesbluewrx

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Steve

allza

My jdm also hits 1.5 bar lower than 3k even on the rollers. So better than the evo graph. Spec c has a roller bearing too so even quicker spool than mine.

dunx

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Yes, split actuator hose on the M62, and yes the Monaro driver did laugh as I hit the hazards and headed for the hard-shoulder....

dunx

P.S. Boy did it go like stink though ! MD321H open-loop boost.... 2.1 bar

JimmyBFC

Tony, there are several video's of the spec c getting beaten in the boring straight line crap by an RS too buddy boy, so back at ya

The driver helps btw if you didn't know, or the spec c must just make every driver, a driving god


Lower, but still crap top end, as attested to by a couple of lads who's 1st thing they did was bin them to put on gt30's and make it into a real track beast.


and wow...a whole 200 rpm quicker, very noticeable I bet

whats was the full boost you claim, wouldn't wanna run too much onto them pistons

Basically, rods are the weak part of a Evo, with the rods replaced with forged items and then one or two other little add ons, you have a 550bhp capable car with just forged rods, which doesn't even require the engine out.

Not bad in my book.

Ps; I actually respect Scoobs, had 2 myself, but where the **** do yuo lads get Tony Burns from....jeez

JimmyBFC

Good honest account, I can respect that, its not being shoved down anyones throat that the Spec C is beyond all competition, and as you've owned both (spec + rs) then you can have a decent non-biased opinion, hats off to you squire

TonyBurns

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You dont seem to understand very well, the JDM cars all out handle the evo's, not straight line crap and thats the beauty of it, even on the straight bits the standard spec c/jdm twin scroll are quicker than the evo's (just about for the standard sti), and yes, 200rpm quicker to spool, on a non modified car, no 2.3 engine, a bog standard 2ltr engine and its better if you modify it so if you want to commpare, you cant, and I did an evo mag greece spread back in 2006ish when the evo 9 came out (we picked the car up from mitsubishi hq) and that was a "run in" 9 FQ 320, guess which car was quicker (mine just had a panel filter and still ran the jap map ) oh and it also outhandled the 9, doddle so I do have first hand experience on this

Tony

PS, on my 4th scoob, first being a UK car back in 2000 (W reg, ended up with lots of prodrive bits on), 2nd being a nice new Spec C back in 2003, 3rd being a MY99 type R back at the end of 2008 (still have that one ) and the 4th being a Spec C limited (2003 model).

Terminator X

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Mine is on a 2 litre as well. Running 30ish hp down on what it's supposed to be which I'm trying to sort at the moment.

TX.

TonyBurns

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The original thread for the spec c v evo 9 that they required

https://www.scoobynet.com/scoobynet-...is-friday.html

Tony

apac

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But the Spec C owner will have a about 4 grand more left in his pocket

TonyBurns

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You dont even have to do that John Felstead proved how well set up the standard New Age MY05 JDM car is set up, did he not beat alot of "modified" classics and new age cars with a near standard car?

Tony

banny sti

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Interesting videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJJHeQhip0s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoVza...eature=channel

Banny

apac

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hope you're enjoying your new car Tony. I paid 10K 13 months ago for my Spec C LTD with all the type 20 extras and more added on. These cars are serious pedigrees

chrisevo2000

Cheers,Jim.
Like I said,I respect both marques and do not subscribe to the petty "mine is better than yours" bollocks that a lot of people,on both sites participate in.
I do like the fact that you can get a safe 500-550 hp,from the Evo engine,that has just had rods changed.Not something that can be done,on a "classic",without a lot of outlay,AFAIK.
Don't know how much a Japanese spec new age,or Spec C can handle,without serious mods,but I will only be running mine up to circa 400,so this will not affect me!
Chris

dazdavies

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hmmmm let's see John's a motosport professional and he set his car up using knowledge most of us would love to have.

The circuit at Elvington suits quick spooling mid power cars. Get the same cars out on a proper race track and watch the result be completely different.

If we're using silly comparissions how come the classics wipe the floor with the newage in TA then?

This debate will rage on and on but both cars have their benefits. However the strong chassis benefit of the newage is resolved quite easily on the classic and when you've done so it's still a fair bit lighter and far more nimble than a Newage.

Don't get me wrong I like the Newage cars and would love a Spec C hawkeye but to say they are a far far better car than a well sorted classic is complete and utter bollocks!

JimmyBFC

Tony, lets get real, most of that is utter b0llox mate and mostly all YOUR own opinions......

Btw, my 5hitbox rs - outhandled and was quicker than a spec c type ra other month at elvington, his had had a remap....what you you think about that then Tony baloney .....thats real world performance, not Tony "fukin" Burns bullcr@p

JimmyBFC

Not really a good comarison....a heavy Evo 9 versus the flagship performance Scooby Spec C....hmmm....you lot didn't set that one up did you

banny sti

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Jim the first video I posted, both cars accelerate from 30km/h and guess which is quicker

Banny

TonyBurns

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Welcome to a subaru site
So, your "2.3 blah blah blah" beat a uk fuel remapped car so much of a good comparison that isnt it

The evo9 FQ320 tested against the spec c was tuned (280ps out of the factory), the spec c was standard abeit with an STI panel filter fitted, and you go on with your BS of course im going to support my marque, you have an old evo, wtf do you think would win when im comparing standard cars you ******* muppet and no, it wouldnt be the evo.
Go get a life Jimmy, how can you be comparing a "tuned" evo to anything standard we may as well get Shaun's Spec C up against yours and watch you cry when its murders you in a straight line and on the corners (any muppet can drive in a straight line, so go on youtube and watch all the subaru v evo vids from 2003 onwards and cry your eyes out )

Tony

dazdavies

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Tony Burns in dramatic toys out of the pram shocker!

JimmyBFC

His car wasn't standard numbnutz or can you not read?

Shaun's wouldn't be a comparison unless he actually got someone decent to drive it, Ive heard he does that a lot for the big events, capable car, but capable cars need good drivers still

Btw, I beat the Spec C type RA on a sprint....READ again....a SPRINT....thats a handling course against the clock Tony if your not familiar with the discipline no straight line ****

Get yours upto Elvington in sept and il happily beat you too

and btw, big power on twisty sprints arn't really any advantage, 1st gear corners for my lag mobile, so your twinscroll let me blow smoke up your **** all singing all dancing turbo should be just the job there

Ive said it before, I love the Spec c as a car and will probably have one at some point in the next few years, but Tony you love them so much I reckon the exhaust tailpipe on yours is in great danger of getting something on your body stuck in it, Im also man enough to admit on sunday the Scoobs cleaned up over the Evo's on the sprint, hats off to them.

TonyBurns

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Not really Daz, you have someone comparing a 2.3 400bhp evo v a 2ltr 300-320bhp Spec C type RA tell me where im going wrong or have you not read jimmy's cars spec?

Tony

rickya

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For me having driven a few Evo's inc an Evo9 Fq360 & 9 GT & owned a lightly modded Spec C Hawkeye & now a Ve6 Type R:

I too "like the fact that you can get a safe 500-550 hp,from the Evo engine,that has just had rods changed". Not something that can be done on almost any Impreza without quite a bit of money spent". So yes I do rate the 4G63 engine in these terms, maybe even above a Subaru engine. Though whether I would want to give up that Subaru boxer soundtrack is another question

Though IMO a really shrewd & wise buy (& have some spare cash left over an Evo8/9) would be if you were to buy e.g a JDM Blobeye Sti or JDM Blobeye Spec C & moderately tuned that.