why do evo's produce so much torque for 2.0
23 June 2010, 11:29 AM
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His car wasn't standard numbnutz or can you not read?
Shaun's wouldn't be a comparison unless he actually got someone decent to drive it
Btw, I beat the Spec C type RA on a sprint....READ again....a SPRINT....thats a handling course against the clock Tony if your not familiar with the discipline
Get yours upto Elvington in sept and il happily beat you too
and btw, big power on twisty sprints arn't really any advantage, 1st gear corners for my lag mobile, so your twinscroll let me blow smoke up your **** all singing all dancing turbo should be just the job there
Shaun's wouldn't be a comparison unless he actually got someone decent to drive it
Btw, I beat the Spec C type RA on a sprint....READ again....a SPRINT....thats a handling course against the clock Tony if your not familiar with the discipline
Get yours upto Elvington in sept and il happily beat you too
and btw, big power on twisty sprints arn't really any advantage, 1st gear corners for my lag mobile, so your twinscroll let me blow smoke up your **** all singing all dancing turbo should be just the job there
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23 June 2010, 11:33 AM
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Have you ever competed in a sprint? A quick spooling 360bhp Spec C should be able to easily fend off or be close to the times of a strokered 500bhp car, a gt30 is way more laggier, meaning 1st gear corners whilst the twinscroll will go round and spool up with ease.
Trackday would be a different matter with equally capable drivers.
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23 June 2010, 11:48 AM
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The twin scroll does have its benefits, early ones like mine can suffer at the top end, but your changing at 7k anyway so it wont really be a problem, best for twisty roads where you would normally be caught out of gear but you dont quite anymore 
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Newer and better twin scroll turbo's are the way forward if they can give you the low down grunt (with the aid of vvt/avcs) and top end power.
Now, have you done much with the gearbox/clutch on yours and did you get around the issue of over heating brakes? (didnt someone do a mod for that with air cooling from the front bumper?)
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PS, Extreme did mention that the RS's were the ones to buy if you wanted a fast/better handing evo
.Newer and better twin scroll turbo's are the way forward
if they can give you the low down grunt (with the aid of vvt/avcs) and top end power.Now, have you done much with the gearbox/clutch on yours and did you get around the issue of over heating brakes? (didnt someone do a mod for that with air cooling from the front bumper?)
Tony
PS, Extreme did mention that the RS's were the ones to buy if you wanted a fast/better handing evo
23 June 2010, 07:33 PM
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The twin scroll does have its benefits, early ones like mine can suffer at the top end, but your changing at 7k anyway so it wont really be a problem, best for twisty roads where you would normally be caught out of gear but you dont quite anymore .
Newer and better twin scroll turbo's are the way forward if they can give you the low down grunt (with the aid of vvt/avcs) and top end power.
Now, have you done much with the gearbox/clutch on yours and did you get around the issue of over heating brakes? (didnt someone do a mod for that with air cooling from the front bumper?)
Tony
PS, Extreme did mention that the RS's were the ones to buy if you wanted a fast/better handing evo
.Newer and better twin scroll turbo's are the way forward
if they can give you the low down grunt (with the aid of vvt/avcs) and top end power.Now, have you done much with the gearbox/clutch on yours and did you get around the issue of over heating brakes? (didnt someone do a mod for that with air cooling from the front bumper?)
Tony
PS, Extreme did mention that the RS's were the ones to buy if you wanted a fast/better handing evo
Tone, I have the short rs box, it basically tops out at 140mph at 7k rpm, its a decent box, although I can attest to the prob you mentioned earlier in the thread, with regards to changing up or down dilemma, sometimes a bit longer gearing would be ideal, and then sometimes its ok.
Clutch is a twin plate but might have to move onto a triple plate as just had a gt35r fitted, we'll see once mapped.
Brakes have always been ok for what I use it for, uprated discs, with carbo's xp10's all around, uprated fluid, tendency to lock up under extrem braking as no abs as standard on these.
Brakes, AP's pref (had them on my 8) are the next choice mods.
26 June 2010, 09:28 PM
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hmmmm let's see John's a motosport professional and he set his car up using knowledge most of us would love to have.
The circuit at Elvington suits quick spooling mid power cars. Get the same cars out on a proper race track and watch the result be completely different.
If we're using silly comparissions how come the classics wipe the floor with the newage in TA then?
This debate will rage on and on but both cars have their benefits. However the strong chassis benefit of the newage is resolved quite easily on the classic and when you've done so it's still a fair bit lighter and far more nimble than a Newage.
Don't get me wrong I like the Newage cars and would love a Spec C hawkeye but to say they are a far far better car than a well sorted classic is complete and utter bollocks!
The circuit at Elvington suits quick spooling mid power cars. Get the same cars out on a proper race track and watch the result be completely different.
If we're using silly comparissions how come the classics wipe the floor with the newage in TA then?
This debate will rage on and on but both cars have their benefits. However the strong chassis benefit of the newage is resolved quite easily on the classic and when you've done so it's still a fair bit lighter and far more nimble than a Newage.
Don't get me wrong I like the Newage cars and would love a Spec C hawkeye but to say they are a far far better car than a well sorted classic is complete and utter bollocks!
Had i wanted to set it up for the scoobysprint series i could easily have knocked time off by going more radical on the cambers, fitted some decent grippy tyres (it's on the stock tyres which are a bit hard for a sprint) and softer brake pads. It's got the same suspension and brakes it left the factory on 4.5 years ago, not even a change to ARB has been done, it all had about 35K miles on it at that time, so no new stuff to help either. I just did the two events for a bit of fun.
Bang for buck they make a lot more sense than modifying a classic these days, of course for something like TA to be competitive you have to modify the cars a lot more, but i'd wager a similar spec Classic and New Age would be very close on pace, it's just no one has done a New Age car to the same high spec yet in the UK, the USA they are more into using the New Age cars in TA.
I was due to drive an EVO9 GT lightweight in TA last year, but it never happened sadly, no doubt they are damn good cars too.
23 November 2013, 09:33 PM
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The JDM's have different internals, high intensity cast pistons, but that is just part of it, better crank for oil distribution, only known 1 blow up and thats because the owner didnt have it mapped for uk fuel and ragged it against a bike (he is on here btw ) but the equal length manifolds help with torque, the engines are proven to be stronger than the evo's (unlike the classics which were a fair bit weaker 
) otherwise 80% different to the uk 2ltr engines.
Tony
) but the equal length manifolds help with torque, the engines are proven to be stronger than the evo's (unlike the classics which were a fair bit weaker ) otherwise 80% different to the uk 2ltr engines.Tony
24 November 2013, 05:52 PM
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This past week or two all I've had running in my head is should I have bought an Evo over my Type R?
Yes I've gathered that the Type R is a lot more raw. But when it comes to wanting to poke a bit more power out of it, it always ends up more costly on the Subaru's part and its not just by a little bit. My Turbo pretty much stops me @ around 330bhp (VF24) The gearbox has already looking like its wet the bed and is currently waiting replacement. Even then, once its replaced they aren't the greatest over 350bhp I've gathered. Then the FMIC will need put on again something which the Evo has standard. Once all this has been done coupled with a remap don't even get me started on the brakes and then you'll always have in the back of your mind when is this thing going to spin a bearing no matter how often you change the oil/look after it.
Yes you'll all say you should have realised this before hand, but I wasnt expecting it to be as bad as this - thus I will also say. 9 times out of 10 the Evo is a better car standard and is also more capable of accepting power more cost effectively.
Yes I've gathered that the Type R is a lot more raw. But when it comes to wanting to poke a bit more power out of it, it always ends up more costly on the Subaru's part and its not just by a little bit. My Turbo pretty much stops me @ around 330bhp (VF24) The gearbox has already looking like its wet the bed and is currently waiting replacement. Even then, once its replaced they aren't the greatest over 350bhp I've gathered. Then the FMIC will need put on again something which the Evo has standard. Once all this has been done coupled with a remap don't even get me started on the brakes and then you'll always have in the back of your mind when is this thing going to spin a bearing no matter how often you change the oil/look after it.
Yes you'll all say you should have realised this before hand, but I wasnt expecting it to be as bad as this - thus I will also say. 9 times out of 10 the Evo is a better car standard and is also more capable of accepting power more cost effectively.
24 November 2013, 07:22 PM
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This past week or two all I've had running in my head is should I have bought an Evo over my Type R?
Yes I've gathered that the Type R is a lot more raw. But when it comes to wanting to poke a bit more power out of it, it always ends up more costly on the Subaru's part and its not just by a little bit. My Turbo pretty much stops me @ around 330bhp (VF24) The gearbox has already looking like its wet the bed and is currently waiting replacement. Even then, once its replaced they aren't the greatest over 350bhp I've gathered. Then the FMIC will need put on again something which the Evo has standard. Once all this has been done coupled with a remap don't even get me started on the brakes and then you'll always have in the back of your mind when is this thing going to spin a bearing no matter how often you change the oil/look after it.
Yes you'll all say you should have realised this before hand, but I wasnt expecting it to be as bad as this - thus I will also say. 9 times out of 10 the Evo is a better car standard and is also more capable of accepting power more cost effectively.
Yes I've gathered that the Type R is a lot more raw. But when it comes to wanting to poke a bit more power out of it, it always ends up more costly on the Subaru's part and its not just by a little bit. My Turbo pretty much stops me @ around 330bhp (VF24) The gearbox has already looking like its wet the bed and is currently waiting replacement. Even then, once its replaced they aren't the greatest over 350bhp I've gathered. Then the FMIC will need put on again something which the Evo has standard. Once all this has been done coupled with a remap don't even get me started on the brakes and then you'll always have in the back of your mind when is this thing going to spin a bearing no matter how often you change the oil/look after it.
Yes you'll all say you should have realised this before hand, but I wasnt expecting it to be as bad as this - thus I will also say. 9 times out of 10 the Evo is a better car standard and is also more capable of accepting power more cost effectively.
I still quite fancy a VI, an Extreme especially, but for some reason I've never jumped ship.
24 November 2013, 07:39 PM
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I'm loving my Evo VI Tommi Mak, spool up is crazy and it has vitually no lag...354bhp and 378lb ft of torque keeps me smiling
Is a JDM so it's nice and clean too
Is a JDM so it's nice and clean too
24 November 2013, 07:52 PM
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The TME is the only Evo I wanted really and its awesome... pics in Members gallery
24 November 2013, 08:03 PM
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It is twinscroll... it has a standard 7 engine as the original engine was tuned to 500bhp and he swappedthe engines over when he bought a 7... the turbo is standard Mak item rebuilt about 8k miles ago and is running 1.5bar
The TME is the only Evo I wanted really and its awesome... pics in Members gallery
The TME is the only Evo I wanted really and its awesome... pics in Members gallery
24 November 2013, 10:19 PM
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Mervil - How does it compare in terms of driving characteristics with your Type R you had? Ideally when I look at Evo's I do like the old shape sometimes but as said the rust would probably be my main concern.
If im honest im actually a sucker for the Evo 7, I like the front end but im assuming these will drive differently as compared to the Type R. As just now Im seriously thinking about selling up to fund and Evo now.
If im honest im actually a sucker for the Evo 7, I like the front end but im assuming these will drive differently as compared to the Type R. As just now Im seriously thinking about selling up to fund and Evo now.
24 November 2013, 10:46 PM
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I was going to look at a 7 until my 6 came up for sale local to me, apparently the 7s are prone to rust more than the 6s...
Driveability wise, the Evo is a lot smoother, sharper steering and I feel myself being able to carry more speed into the bends! I do miss the sound and being able to kick the **** end out with the DCCD !
Driveability wise, the Evo is a lot smoother, sharper steering and I feel myself being able to carry more speed into the bends! I do miss the sound and being able to kick the **** end out with the DCCD !
24 November 2013, 11:32 PM
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Yeah, I think deep down If I do sell the Type R ill miss it to a certain extent.
So would you say given the choice of a B road blast you'd pick the Evo instead?
So would you say given the choice of a B road blast you'd pick the Evo instead?
25 November 2013, 04:41 PM
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The latest JDM cars have a different engine now (2ltr) which is an improvement over the first gen twin scroll units.
John, what power are you pushing now??
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