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Old May 25, 2010 | 05:47 PM
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I like it, but if im being honest I wish it looked a little more agressive and stood out a bit more from the "normal" sti hatch.

A Cosworth is and always will be a COSWORTH
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Old May 25, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by EddScott
If you read the link theres mention of lesser versions with the Cosworth name. This may impact on sales (ala Clio Williams 1, 2, 3). As much as I love Subaru, if I'm buying a 50K hatchback I'd be sorely tempted by the Focus RS500.
i think the focus RS500 sold out even before the official launch. so you will be very lucky to get one. yes these high performance limited edition cars carry a premium, i would love one myself.
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Old May 25, 2010 | 08:07 PM
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Thought they might have done something with those honking rear lights, other than that it looks pretty good.
This mod has much improved the back lights



Subaru, didn't listen to us Brits about the 2006 lights, 2007, 2008, 2009 and guess what crap they put on the 2010

But Subaru are totally uninterested in the UK market, they are only worried about what Uncle Sam thinks

IMHO IIRC

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Old May 25, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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Thats a bit of an extreme way of sorting the problem Tony
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Old May 25, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jh1
i think the focus RS500 sold out even before the official launch. so you will be very lucky to get one. yes these high performance limited edition cars carry a premium, i would love one myself.
RS500 350bhp was priced at £35 if I remember rightly against the standard RS Focus with interior pack at £27K. Subaru Cosworth £50K against sti at £27K. Where has all the extra money been spent over the top of an STI? It's defenately not in the interior looking at the pictures I've seen. Boost gauge, oil temp gauge, oil pressure gauge would have been nice, parking sensors etc. they are charging for a £50k car but your not getting the gadgets or quality of interior in my opinion.
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Old May 25, 2010 | 08:50 PM
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As a dyed in the wool hatch hater I think it looks .............good, bit more aggressive. Yes you could easily match the performance for less, but those buying these will have deep pockets anyway.
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Old May 25, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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I'd rather have a prodrive badge on the car then cosworth to be honest. With that aside i'd also rather have an R205 for £40k then this new CS400.
It does look nice tho!
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Old May 25, 2010 | 09:37 PM
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Just looks like an STI with Cosworth badges on... To the untrained eye!
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Old May 25, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by VinceW
RS500 350bhp was priced at £35 if I remember rightly against the standard RS Focus with interior pack at £27K. Subaru Cosworth £50K against sti at £27K. Where has all the extra money been spent over the top of an STI? It's defenately not in the interior looking at the pictures I've seen. Boost gauge, oil temp gauge, oil pressure gauge would have been nice, parking sensors etc. they are charging for a £50k car but your not getting the gadgets or quality of interior in my opinion.
I think the Cosworth internals in the engine was where most of that money went
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Old May 25, 2010 | 11:44 PM
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Looks like matt black ... very 2009

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Old May 26, 2010 | 12:16 AM
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I like it , I understand exaactly what Big Fuds saying and in 10-20yrs time i'd bet loads of us will be saying ow awesome it is

Now Fud Buy 1 ..
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Old May 26, 2010 | 12:23 AM
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Thats a bit of an extreme way of sorting the problem Tony
I spose you could just go to Litchfields and fix them cheaper
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Old May 26, 2010 | 08:26 AM
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Given a donor car, how much would it cost to bring it to the same level as the CS400 ?
CS Short block : 4k, injectors: 0.5k (presume these need uprating from std STI ?), turbo 1.5k, suspension 2k, wheels 1.5k, full exhaust 1k, labour/map 2k.

So 10k left for the badge, dull paint (saves on waxing ?) and different seats. Is it that hard to justify the premium, considering other marques hide it in the total price ? I'm sure there's just as much profit in an M3, considering the jump between the list price on a 330 and M3 ?
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Old May 26, 2010 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BIG FUD
Everyone as there own opinion but im sick of hearing about this 50k price tag.The cars are nearly all sold so there is no need to be concearned about the price you aint getting one.

Like the 22b 12 years ago 45k every one said wide arched type r yeah right try get a uk 22b now even if you have the money trust me i know.

This car in 12 years will still be worth 40k and no other run of the mill subaru will be, Buy ya spec c or rb320 ect ect and go loose 40% in first 36 months.

I know what i would be doing if i had the money.

Just my opinionxx
i dont know how you can compare the 22B to this cosworth Hatch.

the 22B is a road version of the iconic WRC winning rally car so that heritage is worth its weight in gold, along with the looks that no other Impreza has had since.

the hatch has no heritage with WRC (well maybe group N) and the cosworth looks not different to a standard STI.

for something this eagerly anticipated & highly priced I was expecting something with more eye catching appearance, like the Focus RS MK2 or 22B (some vents in the front wings, a WRC styled bootspoiler, vented bonnet for example)


and if they used the JDM mirrors they could probably reduce the 0-60 times by 2 second
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Old May 26, 2010 | 08:47 AM
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As an official UK release at least it may end up on Top Gear and it would be interesting to see what the Stig can do with it round the track.
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Old May 26, 2010 | 08:52 AM
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As an everyday car it is silly money at £50k and it would be madness to pay that.

However, as a 'toy' to be played with now and again and locked up safe and sound other times, it is a sound investment.

In 10 years time it could even give you every penny back ... free toy that has only cost you the loss of interest on £50k (£800 a year) - could be considered a bargain?
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Old May 26, 2010 | 08:59 AM
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I reckon my mieghbours cosworth escort will be worth more in twenty years time

..dont really get why you would need a outside *tuner* to improve on the only thing thats realtively unique to the marque , ( the engine )
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Old May 26, 2010 | 07:13 PM
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From the odd engine failure with the new cars, and the fact that cosworth usa have built 300+ forged blocks, maybe they can be trusted more than the OEM?
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Old May 26, 2010 | 07:16 PM
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forget paying 50 k on that ,GTR
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Old May 26, 2010 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stanmo
So 10k left for the badge, dull paint (saves on waxing ?) and different seats. Is it that hard to justify the premium, considering other marques hide it in the total price ? I'm sure there's just as much profit in an M3, considering the jump between the list price on a 330 and M3 ?
The M3 is a mass produced car with only BMW taking a slice of the profit, the Cosworth scoob is a short hand built run with with two companies wanting a slice of the action.
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Old May 26, 2010 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaybird-UK
The M3 is a mass produced car with only BMW taking a slice of the profit, the Cosworth scoob is a short hand built run with with two companies wanting a slice of the action.
I think the problem is you've got to buy an STI then pay for it to be pulled apart and converted to a cosworth from what I can see from the pictures. If Subaru had actually built the car from scratch in the factory as a Cosworth then maybe it would have worked out cheaper and with a better interior spec. I am just guessing that this is not a Subaru factory production run.
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Old May 27, 2010 | 07:35 PM
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Just thinking how good this collaboration could have looked if they had done it a while back and taken a hawkeye sti as the base car. Maybe Ra R sort of looks in matt black, wide wheels, big brakes etc.......................hmmmmm!
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Old May 28, 2010 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by stanmo
Given a donor car, how much would it cost to bring it to the same level as the CS400 ?
CS Short block : 4k, injectors: 0.5k (presume these need uprating from std STI ?), turbo 1.5k, suspension 2k, wheels 1.5k, full exhaust 1k, labour/map 2k.

So 10k left for the badge, dull paint (saves on waxing ?) and different seats. Is it that hard to justify the premium, considering other marques hide it in the total price ? I'm sure there's just as much profit in an M3, considering the jump between the list price on a 330 and M3 ?

You're forgetting to include warranty within that 10K
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Old May 28, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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exercise in turd polishing, i am sure the engine and chassis are bloody good but is is an average looking eurobox still.

Ok the classics where not exactly pretty but they had/have presence and an aggressive look about them and look like a rally car spin off should.
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