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Old 17 April 2010, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by StanS View Post
Sad it has come to this after nearly 10 years on here
So just to post the odd ad in the for sale section (as a private individual) will now cost 24 per year. Any reduction for pensioners ?
??

It's not any 24 a year. For full SN+ it's 18 a year. For the subscription basically not blocking ads it is 12. Even if a member is only selling a handful of items over a year, they would quickly make that money back.

As said time and again, this system will not be fool proof but it has been put in place to try and help you genuine guys from being ripped off. As said, and as far as I've seen it has been non paying members who have ripped others off, so hopefully this will at least cut down the problem.

This has only been done due to the suggestion of a mod(unpaid), and support and agreement from members.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but this was done to try and help members, not for some sort of gain for us.

It is most unfortunate that it has come to this, and we could easily ignore it and just spout out buyer beware, but we are trying to help. This is a forum whereby selling/buying is allowed but it's not the main function of the place like ebay etc. We are trying to make it safer, and no matter what we did it would be met with opposition. People have wanted more to be done for a good long while, when we make more safeguards, we are slated.....
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lisa I cant remember so please excuse my possibly silly question:

when you become a full member do you have to supply a name and address and the card you use to pay, has to match these details? if thats the case surely the fact you have to be a full member to post anything for sale is perfect as a name and address can be achieved through the website via the police upon request if needed?

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Originally Posted by Lisawrx View Post
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It's not any 24 a year. For full SN+ it's 18 a year. For the subscription basically not blocking ads it is 12. Even if a member is only selling a handful of items over a year, they would quickly make that money back.

As said time and again, this system will not be fool proof but it has been put in place to try and help you genuine guys from being ripped off. As said, and as far as I've seen it has been non paying members who have ripped others off, so hopefully this will at least cut down the problem.
This has only been done due to the suggestion of a mod(unpaid), and support and agreement from members.
I'm sorry to be blunt, but this was done to try and help members, not for some sort of gain for us.
It is most unfortunate that it has come to this, and we could easily ignore it and just spout out buyer beware, but we are trying to help. This is a forum whereby selling/buying is allowed but it's not the main function of the place like ebay etc. We are trying to make it safer, and no matter what we did it would be met with opposition. People have wanted more to be done for a good long while, when we make more safeguards, we are slated.....
When I read "Premium Membership" from the top menu, the only price I could see mentioned is 2 per month - which is where I got the 24pa.
I understand your thinking about the need to introduce a fee, but its like putting another burglar alarm on the car. If someone really wants to steel it they will !
Anyway - if that is the new rule people can decide if they want to take part or not.
Now spent a bit more time on the Premium Membership page and found the drop downs, which give the prices.

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Fraudsters would not be able to hide behind the data protection act: it's a very complicated area (and I'm certainly not an expert) but Legal proceedings (criminal AND civil) fall under exemptions to the provisions of the act.

Following info taken from this website:

http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corpo...ection_act.htm

Exemptions:

Part III of the Data Protection Act 1998 concerns exemptions from aspects of the Act, particularly from certain basic aspects of the Act such as restrictions on providing personal data to third parties, and the right of access by data subjects to their personal data. There are very few exemptions from the entirety of the Act, although there are some exemptions from much of the Act.

Exemptions under the Act can appear complex. There are some exemptions to prohibitions on sharing personal data with third parties; and also some exemptions to disclosure to data subjects of the personal data held about them.

Exemptions to prohibitions on data sharing with third parties are where

* the data subjects have given their consent
* the sharing is for the prevention or detection of crime
* the sharing is for the assessment of any tax or duty
* the sharing is necessary to exercise a right or obligation conferred or imposed by law (other than an obligation imposed by contract)
* the sharing is for the purpose of, or in connection with, legal proceedings (including prospective legal proceedings)
* the sharing is for the purpose of obtaining legal advice
* the sharing is for research, historical and statistical purposes (so long as this neither supports decisions in relation to individuals, nor causes substantial damage or distress)
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Originally Posted by Lisawrx View Post
??

It's not any 24 a year. For full SN+ it's 18 a year. For the subscription basically not blocking ads it is 12. Even if a member is only selling a handful of items over a year, they would quickly make that money back.

As said time and again, this system will not be fool proof but it has been put in place to try and help you genuine guys from being ripped off. As said, and as far as I've seen it has been non paying members who have ripped others off, so hopefully this will at least cut down the problem.

This has only been done due to the suggestion of a mod(unpaid), and support and agreement from members.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but this was done to try and help members, not for some sort of gain for us.

It is most unfortunate that it has come to this, and we could easily ignore it and just spout out buyer beware, but we are trying to help. This is a forum whereby selling/buying is allowed but it's not the main function of the place like ebay etc. We are trying to make it safer, and no matter what we did it would be met with opposition. People have wanted more to be done for a good long while, when we make more safeguards, we are slated.....
Maybe this should have been put to the community as whole rather than just a suggestion pistol made because he got ripped off. Everyone is grown up enough to make informed decisions when buying an item online. If you want to be safe you pay cash on collection or pay the fees on paypal. If you pay as gift on paypal you run the risk of getting shafted but at the end of the day thats a risk you have taken.
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04 View Post
* the sharing is for the prevention or detection of crime
But if the police have said that its a civil matter then surley its not a "crime" so to say, so youll then be bount by the DPA and not be allowed to distribute info.


imagine this.(if i was a paid member)
If i was selling some thing, the buyer sent me money as a gift to avoid paypals charges, but im suddenly taken ill or unable to get to the internet for what every reason, the poilce say "sorry its not our problem" and paypal say the same as it wasnt sent a 'purchased goods' what are you goning do? give the buyer my address to show up at my house with his thug mates?

If that was the situation I would sue the mod who gave him my details for every thing you have! I havn't commited a crime and havnt given you permission to distribute my details.

All of this 'protecting the buyer' crap is leading scoobynet to a dark place, a place i do not wich to be part of, I for one will deffinately stop using this site.
I realise that there are other great points to the site, but to me the main part is the market place, the amount of items available it out of this world! I can allways find the parts I need here, and most of the time its being sold by people that arn't paid members.

If people arent smart enough to make up thier own minds about a deal on here then it is down to them. People dont need scoobynet mods trying to baby sit them, by charging them money, and offering a 'service' that they cant lawfully do any thing with.
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Old 18 April 2010, 02:04 AM
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its all a load of bollocks.How long before you have to pay to post? this place has gone to the dogs and anyone who pays to use the site needs looking at IMO.Thankfully there are so many other local forums that are free
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Old 18 April 2010, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mirrorman View Post
But if the police have said that its a civil matter then surley its not a "crime" so to say, so youll then be bount by the DPA and not be allowed to distribute info.
imagine this.(if i was a paid member)
If i was selling some thing, the buyer sent me money as a gift to avoid paypals charges, but im suddenly taken ill or unable to get to the internet for what every reason, the poilce say "sorry its not our problem" and paypal say the same as it wasnt sent a 'purchased goods' what are you goning do? give the buyer my address to show up at my house with his thug mates?
If that was the situation I would sue the mod who gave him my details for every thing you have! I havn't commited a crime and havnt given you permission to distribute my details.
All of this 'protecting the buyer' crap is leading scoobynet to a dark place, a place i do not wich to be part of, I for one will deffinately stop using this site.
I realise that there are other great points to the site, but to me the main part is the market place, the amount of items available it out of this world! I can allways find the parts I need here, and most of the time its being sold by people that arn't paid members.
If people arent smart enough to make up thier own minds about a deal on here then it is down to them. People dont need scoobynet mods trying to baby sit them, by charging them money, and offering a 'service' that they cant lawfully do any thing with.
i had a similar problem on ebay with an item i bought and hadnt recieved the item, contact ebay,item not recieved 2wks after paying for it,they gave me the option to contact the seller and sent me the details as below,however i have changed some details but am showing that its NOT a crime to give out ure details for stuff not recieved

User ID:any name u want
Name:joe bloggs
Company:n/a
City:balerno
County:Edinburgh (City of)
Country:United Kingdom
Phone:---------------------
Registered Since:Saturday, 26 Nov, 2005 15:01:41 GMT

so as above if people are made to disclose the info above when registering on the site then the buyer/seller will be allowed the info to contact that person to resolve there issue
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Old 18 April 2010, 03:57 PM
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This will never work and I personally think it will make things worse.

Only costs 2 per month for membership, therefore scammers will have a month to sell fictional parts to us before the next month is due and by buying a membership, they will be more likely to come across as genuine.

Whats 2 when your more likely to get your fictional parts sold??!!
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Firstly, the exemptions to the data protection act apply to "legal procedings" i.e. civil AND criminal acts. Just because the police won't act doesn't mean there is no recourse for you under the law. So the idea that this amendment to FS policy is redundant because of legislation is AFAICS not tennable.

Secondly: A Mod could NOT release personal details - we do not have access to them. This would have to be done by the appropriate person who runs the database and would only be done in accordance with the DPA i.e if the data was requested as part of legal proceedings, so the idea of us giving a random person your personal info, so they can send the boys around is utter nonsense.

Thirdly, it's STILL up to the buyer to use their common sense. No action is full proof and this is no exception. Transactions will STILL be a private matter between the buyer and seller and SN WILL NOT warranty any transaction. The only difference now is that should we be approached by the authorities in connection with a transaction on here and compelled to release details, we will have more to give them than an E-mail and username.

As said above, SN is a chat forum, if your primary reason for being here is to flog stuff, then there are indeed better forums for you to use!

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Old 18 April 2010, 07:28 PM
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I've seen a few threads in the for sale section with people starting a thread for a friend with no internet access and leaves a ''Phone him for no details'' etc etc. Will members with SN+ be allowed to do that?
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Originally Posted by mr_impreza View Post
I've seen a few threads in the for sale section with people starting a thread for a friend with no internet access and leaves a ''Phone him for no details'' etc etc. Will members with SN+ be allowed to do that?
No mate, sorry! Even when non paying members were allowed to post threads we said no selling on someone else's behalf or acting as a mediator for transactions. It's asking for trouble!!

SN Subscriber: Phone mate for details
Other SN member: Oi SN subscriber, your mate f*cked me over
SN subscriber: I only gave you his details, it's between you and him mate
Other SN member: You pointed me in the direction of someone who ripped me off, I want their details
SN subscriber: No way
SN Member: Mods, mods, I got ripped off!
Mods: not by a paying member you didn't; you dealt with a non paying member via a paying member thus negating the protection of dealing direct with someone who's details we hold.

People should always deal direct; to do otherwise is asking for trouble!

This is not aimed at you Mr Impreza - just a general point:

If people try and get around policy that we have implemented to reduce the possibility of people getting ripped off and subsequently get burned, then......well.... we'll find it hard to be sympathetic!
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Old 18 April 2010, 09:22 PM
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Personally, I'll be subscribing at the monthly rate as its still cheaper than paying Ebay fees and probably the best site to buy and sell parts on. (I broke my last Impreza and sold almost every part in a week and look at my feedback, only 7!!) but as I chop and change my car monthly, I sometimes dont have a Subaru so never on here so the yearly fee just isnt worth it for me.
When you think how many parts are bought and sold on here and the money that changes hands, wouldnt it be possible for SN to start up some sort of holding account, for which they could have a small surcharge, where the buyers money is held until they receive the goods and are happy? The can then leave feedback and the money can the automatically be sent to the sellers paypal account? If they dont leave feedback within 14 days, then its assumed they are happy and the cash automatically goes to the seller.

If they arent happy with what they receive, they must return the goods within 14 days to get there cash reimbursed?

I'm sure theres somewhere we could go with this.

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Old 18 April 2010, 09:26 PM
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This is not aimed at you Mr Impreza - just a general point:
Lucky you said that as i was going to display my skills of bypassing the swear filter

Thanks for clearing that up
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Everyone knows that the 'competitions' were all part of Simon de Planke's plan to make the site appear to be more commercially viable.....
There are people who think they can do it and people that actually can/do do it. You want to check Simon's and my bank balance to check which one of those we are! So perhaps less of the mocking of people that actually get off their backsides and do something. Of course, it is all so easy though aint it!

Competitions were certainly never about making the site more commericially viable..... it was all about giving something back for the support, to those that financially supported the community in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
There are people who think they can do it and people that actually can/do do it. You want to check Simon's and my bank balance to check which one of those we are! So perhaps less of the mocking of people that actually get off their backsides and do something. Of course, it is all so easy though aint it!

Competitions were certainly never about making the site more commericially viable..... it was all about giving something back for the support, to those that financially supported the community in the first place.
Suspect you're wasting your breath mate! As far as some people are concerned you and SDB are "El Diablo" and they will use the site YOU BOTH created to shout this from the rooftops. AND of course, repeatedly bitching about the way the place has declined, moderation is crap etc... whilst all the time refusing to vote with their feet and leave the people who do think the site has something to offer in peace!
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i personally think its pointless as i every so often have some parts for sale so i find it better to sell on here then ebay but as thats normally once a month i find it pointless in payin for membership so now i have no where to sell and make a profit when now u have to pay as i can see the regs that used to chat and sell between each other dont use the website no more
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Tha's fair play. If you don't want to pay to advertise your stuff, then it's entirely up to you. It's a shame if that puts you off the site, but I suppose it depends on what the site was to you.

At the end of the day this was done for the greater good, and hopefully will work, time will tell.

One thing I will say from purely a personal point of view (not that of SN or admin/other mods)... I don't think it's unreasonable that people do pay a small fee if they are selling. This is a chat forum primarily, not a classifieds site. Most other places charge for selling, usually per item. It's 12 a year for membership, so even if you only sell an item per month, I'd say it's value for money.
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i have no where to sell and make a profit
In fairness, one of the biggest problems with SN's sales sections is people buying/selling to make profit. As mentioned, scoobynet is not a sales pitch, its primary purpose is for community discussion. Its even mentioned in our forum rules:

Originally Posted by SN rules
Generally speaking, members should not be making a profit from other members. To clarify, we do not condone the buying and selling of goods purely for profit by anyone other than an AA status member.
Profit doesn't drive a community, especially when a seller goes ripping off, scamming, or is dishonest about the descriptions their goods, or a buyer does likewise to avoid paying for goods sold in honesty. There are members that do nothing on this site except post in the sale/wanted sections. Personally, I seriously question if they really are community members, or just someone out to make some cash on the side. I'd rather see these types off SN and onto eBay or gumtree instead.

Granted this has been going on unchecked for years, and its took a long time for it to come to this, but in the end of the day too many are getting burnt by people who aren't really part of Scoobynet (from a discussion point of view), something had to be done. I'm also hoping for further issues with the sales sections to be addressed in the future which should help make it less chaotic than it is currently.
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i personally think its pointless as i every so often have some parts for sale so i find it better to sell on here then ebay but as thats normally once a month i find it pointless in payin for membership so now i have no where to sell and make a profit when now u have to pay as i can see the regs that used to chat and sell between each other dont use the website no more
No-one who's primary purpose for being on here is to engage in community discussion is going to leave just because they are no longer allowed to sell items without being a paid member. The only people who might consider leaving as a result of this action are those who were on here exclusively to sell stuff. As Ali and Lisa have said, this is not engaging with the purpose of the forum, so by leaving they are not detracting from the forum!

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Anyone want to but some real genuine snake oil?

Guaranteed results for any application. Excema, loss of horsepower, arthritis, death, flatulance.... all fixed by on simple application.

I have 1000 bottles available, only 20 each. I don't accept paypal; I don't trust them and they charge, bank transfer only.

Be quick, these won't hang around long at this price. Normal retail is 45, over 50% saving to SN users only.


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I'll take one.

Please send a sample to
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NIGERIA

I will instruct my team to deliver payment to your account

Please send me your bank account details (account number, sort code, web log in details and mother's maiden name) ASAP so I may complete this transaction.
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just a quick one i would like to pay for these services but i have 1 query

if i was to purchase SN+ for 12 quid a year would this entitle me to sell stuff in both for sale and accessories

i only ask because if i scroll down i see this

Private Classifieds. (Monthly)Private Classifieds. (Monthly)
This gives you access to posting threads in the For Sale and Wanted sections.
Strictly private sales only.


a tiny bit confusing

cheers

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If it's not about the money why not make members pay a nominal fee (1p) via Paypal to enable use of the sale sections? This way you get their details, and no one is left feeling like they're being taken for a ride.

Also +1 on the itrader thing, I've spent ages trying to find out how to leave feedback, doing a search for 'itrader' is how I came across this thread in the first place.
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Originally Posted by New_scooby_04 View Post
I'll take one.

Please send a sample to
MR NOMBONGO
HIGH COUNSEL FOR LAW
NIGERIA

I will instruct my team to deliver payment to your account

Please send me your bank account details (account number, sort code, web log in details and mother's maiden name) ASAP so I may complete this transaction.
I would love your custom, however shipping cost may be prohibitive.

Originally Posted by stevemoir View Post
just a quick one i would like to pay for these services but i have 1 query

if i was to purchase SN+ for 12 quid a year would this entitle me to sell stuff in both for sale and accessories

i only ask because if i scroll down i see this

Private Classifieds. (Monthly)Private Classifieds. (Monthly)
This gives you access to posting threads in the For Sale and Wanted sections.
Strictly private sales only.


a tiny bit confusing

cheers

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SN+ gives you a larger PM box, post in more places, like Fight Club, and start for sale threads, etc..

The 4 quid thing gives you none of this, apart from the ability to do is post For Sale threads.
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I would love your custom, however shipping cost may be prohibitive.



SN+ gives you a larger PM box, post in more places, like Fight Club, and start for sale threads, etc..

The 4 quid thing gives you none of this, apart from the ability to do is post For Sale threads.

Correct.
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Correct.
Thanks.

Wanna buy some Snake Oil?
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Old 20 May 2010, 12:31 AM
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So why not ask for credit card details to prove who this person is or License number before allowing thread, therefore you would be caught redhanded if you tried to do fraudulant activities


i feel that stopping unpaid members is wrong and it is a easy fix to stop fraud, i would be glad to hand out my License number to prove nothing fraudulant will be done, also for people like myself AIAE registered it would cost me my livelyhood

i would hazzard a guess this is another money making spin cause there are numerous ways this could be stopped without making it payable, also whats to say the people that have paid subscription are not using fraud credit cards

just wanted to say my peice, but alot easier to stop fraud if you had thought about it

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Old 20 May 2010, 12:38 AM
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ure right mate, they said this was so people would stopped being screwed out of there hard earned cash BUT

look at this thread for someone whos a regular member with a high post count, regardless whats been said its a joke,

hes even threatend to WITHOLD peoples money and NOTHING is being done about it from the mods, so it proves that even PAID members are ROBBING people on here,

ITS TIME SOMETHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

https://www.scoobynet.com/private-fo...-new-post.html

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