wobbly leg syndrome at stoke today
no intent in my eyes, we all bemoan the fact that it's becoming a largely non-contact sport, but when contact is made all hell breaks loose..........
it's an inherent risk in playing the game, 99% of the time injury is not intended (read roy keane) but it will happen sometimes, been playing 20 odd years and only seen 4 leg breaks in games i've played, you have to accept it
i love to see a big tackle (am a lumbering centre-back myself) but because ramsey (and most of the arsenal team) are small,fast and agile; the ball had gone by the time shawcross had made a genuine attempt to get it
it's an inherent risk in playing the game, 99% of the time injury is not intended (read roy keane) but it will happen sometimes, been playing 20 odd years and only seen 4 leg breaks in games i've played, you have to accept it
i love to see a big tackle (am a lumbering centre-back myself) but because ramsey (and most of the arsenal team) are small,fast and agile; the ball had gone by the time shawcross had made a genuine attempt to get it
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It was never intentional, you are one of Wenger fiercest critics on this board but here you are sounding just like him.
Looking at it from a totally difefrent perspective, a point you made in the Arsenal thread about Wengers coaching ability in defence, do you think that maybe because Wenger likes to concentrate on the fancy stuff and has little ability at coaching defensive techniques his players are not the most adept at protecting themselves in these situations. For me it's down to luck, and you haven't had any.
It was never intentional, you are one of Wenger fiercest critics on this board but here you are sounding just like him.
Looking at it from a totally difefrent perspective, a point you made in the Arsenal thread about Wengers coaching ability in defence, do you think that maybe because Wenger likes to concentrate on the fancy stuff and has little ability at coaching defensive techniques his players are not the most adept at protecting themselves in these situations. For me it's down to luck, and you haven't had any.
no intent in my eyes, we all bemoan the fact that it's becoming a largely non-contact sport, but when contact is made all hell breaks loose..........
it's an inherent risk in playing the game, 99% of the time injury is not intended (read roy keane) but it will happen sometimes, been playing 20 odd years and only seen 4 leg breaks in games i've played, you have to accept it
i love to see a big tackle (am a lumbering centre-back myself) but because ramsey (and most of the arsenal team) are small,fast and agile; the ball had gone by the time shawcross had made a genuine attempt to get it
it's an inherent risk in playing the game, 99% of the time injury is not intended (read roy keane) but it will happen sometimes, been playing 20 odd years and only seen 4 leg breaks in games i've played, you have to accept it
i love to see a big tackle (am a lumbering centre-back myself) but because ramsey (and most of the arsenal team) are small,fast and agile; the ball had gone by the time shawcross had made a genuine attempt to get it
I too have been playing for 18 years and have only seen two leg breaks in games, and i will guarentee that games are a lot more physical with very bad tackles most weeks as i'm sure beef on the bone will agree.
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The issue I have is that it has happened to 3 of our players in 5 years when teams openly admit to going out with the intention of roughing us up. The fact the player said there was no intention does not deter from the fact he went flying in with a sliding tackle which is very dangerous if you miss the ball.
It does make me laugh when all the critics above say get over it it happens but then say they've been playing football for 20 years or so at a level far more physical and only seen it 4 times. We've had it at the highest level 3 times in 5 years to the same team's players. That is too much of a coincidence i'm afraid and is a complete contradiction to their comments.
Coaching has nothing to do with how your bones are going to react when hit with a diving tackle at ankle height. That is only ever going to result in a bad injury and is dangerous play, whether intent to injure or not. Players have to be held responsible for their actions and not just get away with it when they dive in hard and say oh well I didn't mean it. They are professional footballers who are fully aware of how dangerous a sliding tackle is going to be if they miss time it so there is no excuse if it goes wrong and they injure another player.
The issue I have is that it has happened to 3 of our players in 5 years when teams openly admit to going out with the intention of roughing us up. The fact the player said there was no intention does not deter from the fact he went flying in with a sliding tackle which is very dangerous if you miss the ball.
It does make me laugh when all the critics above say get over it it happens but then say they've been playing football for 20 years or so at a level far more physical and only seen it 4 times. We've had it at the highest level 3 times in 5 years to the same team's players. That is too much of a coincidence i'm afraid and is a complete contradiction to their comments.
Coaching has nothing to do with how your bones are going to react when hit with a diving tackle at ankle height. That is only ever going to result in a bad injury and is dangerous play, whether intent to injure or not. Players have to be held responsible for their actions and not just get away with it when they dive in hard and say oh well I didn't mean it. They are professional footballers who are fully aware of how dangerous a sliding tackle is going to be if they miss time it so there is no excuse if it goes wrong and they injure another player.
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Got to disagree - it was bad luck, that's all and I wish him all the very best for his recovery, he's a promising young player. Bryan Robson suffered 2 or 3 broken legs on his own in his career before he started on rearranging his shoulder every few months. Crap happens, I'm afraid.
At least it wasn't an open fracture, so he should be fine all things being equal. Fingers crossed.
At least it wasn't an open fracture, so he should be fine all things being equal. Fingers crossed.
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i did my ankle and shattered my fibula playing the agressive game of golf. I couldn't watch it again. Having seen some of the pictures in the paper today i think his ankle was already broken before shawcross touched him. different angles of picture taken show his ankle bent at 90 degrees as he goes in for the tackle.
I have read somewhere that shawcross has been give a 3 match ban. has this been confirmed by the FA? best wishes to young Ramsey hope he makes a speedy recovery. he can rest up until Ausgust time. In fact will he even be ready by the new season, how long do these injuries usually take to sort out properly?
I have read somewhere that shawcross has been give a 3 match ban. has this been confirmed by the FA? best wishes to young Ramsey hope he makes a speedy recovery. he can rest up until Ausgust time. In fact will he even be ready by the new season, how long do these injuries usually take to sort out properly?
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Find me another Premiership club with 3 players in 5 years with serious career threatening broken legs. So all those saying stop moaning why don't you **** off and look at the stats and see that this is more than just a one off
It is well known teams go out to rough Arsenal up and this is the outcome and it has to stop.
It is well known teams go out to rough Arsenal up and this is the outcome and it has to stop.
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Bearing in mind just how badly I think of Bendtner due to how cr4p he is, astonishingly it is is him who has summed up my feelings on this very clearly:
The intent here or lack of isn't the issue, it is the fact he has flown in with a dangerous tackle and as described buy someone who saw it first hand, out of control. That is what has got to be stamped out of the game and why he deserved the red card.
"I don't believe that anybody would try to intentionally to make an injury on another player, a fellow professional, but the way he is going into the tackle is out of control, and that doesn't belong anywhere.
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Funnily enough ligament damage can take longer than a mid bone break. See the below article on the England rugby player Danny Cipriani from 18 May 2008 - he returned to playing in October 2008 after arguably a more serious injury.
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Cipriani cut down by ankle injury | Sport | The Guardian
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The issue I have is that it has happened to 3 of our players in 5 years when teams openly admit to going out with the intention of roughing us up. The fact the player said there was no intention does not deter from the fact he went flying in with a sliding tackle which is very dangerous if you miss the ball.
It does make me laugh when all the critics above say get over it it happens but then say they've been playing football for 20 years or so at a level far more physical and only seen it 4 times. We've had it at the highest level 3 times in 5 years to the same team's players. That is too much of a coincidence i'm afraid and is a complete contradiction to their comments.
Coaching has nothing to do with how your bones are going to react when hit with a diving tackle at ankle height. That is only ever going to result in a bad injury and is dangerous play, whether intent to injure or not. Players have to be held responsible for their actions and not just get away with it when they dive in hard and say oh well I didn't mean it. They are professional footballers who are fully aware of how dangerous a sliding tackle is going to be if they miss time it so there is no excuse if it goes wrong and they injure another player.
The issue I have is that it has happened to 3 of our players in 5 years when teams openly admit to going out with the intention of roughing us up. The fact the player said there was no intention does not deter from the fact he went flying in with a sliding tackle which is very dangerous if you miss the ball.
It does make me laugh when all the critics above say get over it it happens but then say they've been playing football for 20 years or so at a level far more physical and only seen it 4 times. We've had it at the highest level 3 times in 5 years to the same team's players. That is too much of a coincidence i'm afraid and is a complete contradiction to their comments.
Coaching has nothing to do with how your bones are going to react when hit with a diving tackle at ankle height. That is only ever going to result in a bad injury and is dangerous play, whether intent to injure or not. Players have to be held responsible for their actions and not just get away with it when they dive in hard and say oh well I didn't mean it. They are professional footballers who are fully aware of how dangerous a sliding tackle is going to be if they miss time it so there is no excuse if it goes wrong and they injure another player.
Are you saying that players should stop going in hard or slide into tackles incase they miss the ball
Wenger has been criticised for his comments today by various sports journalists former players for his comments.I also read about the fact his leg could have already been breaking before Shawcross tackled, the point others and i were making about not seeing many leg breaks is that kind of tackle or even most tackles don't break legs. As for contradicting not sure how you came up with that, how many injuries TOTAL have your players recieved direct from opposition.
Of course teams are going to get physical with you, are you seriously suggesting teams should stand off you and let you play beautiful football every game so as not to risk the chance of your players getting injured
And also ALL gooners are crying out for a tough tackling midfielder, why the hell do you want one of those types of players
god forbid if he mis-timed a challenge, even a 50/50 one that 99/100 results in a foul and no injury.You still haven't commented on the 72 red cards and and the style of play which earnt you them under Wenger? because Wenger changes the way your team plays so should everyone else
Your having a laugh.So once again get over it
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Imagine if Dean Whitehead's foot was on the floor
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Whether Shawcross deliberately went into the tackle with intent is not the question - he obviously didn't btw
but what Arsene is getting at is that the opposition are getting a pre match pep talk that talks about being "physical, hard, win the battle" etc (because they know the can't out play Arsenal)
and the inevitable result is pumped up players who go in a fraction too hard too often
with the results we have seen
but what Arsene is getting at is that the opposition are getting a pre match pep talk that talks about being "physical, hard, win the battle" etc (because they know the can't out play Arsenal)
and the inevitable result is pumped up players who go in a fraction too hard too often
with the results we have seen
Whether Shawcross deliberately went into the tackle with intent is not the question - he obviously didn't btw
but what Arsene is getting at is that the opposition are getting a pre match pep talk that talks about being "physical, hard, win the battle" etc (because they know the can't out play Arsenal)
and the inevitable result is pumped up players who go in a fraction too hard too often
with the results we have seen
but what Arsene is getting at is that the opposition are getting a pre match pep talk that talks about being "physical, hard, win the battle" etc (because they know the can't out play Arsenal)
and the inevitable result is pumped up players who go in a fraction too hard too often
with the results we have seen
Too often?, 3 times in 5 years. Just because the sight/thought of a break is more often than not a lot worse than the actuall damage from a serious knee injury for example. Of course they can be very serious and indeed ruin a players career.
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I was always coached as a kid NEVER to back out of a fifty fifty challenge, its where you will get hurt.. if you go in and still end up hurt, its par for the course.I dont wish to see anyones career end due to an accident like this, but these days theres 22 pussies running around on some sort of genetically modified grass pitches chasing after something akin to what i would know as a beachball, in comparison to the leather 'casers' or Wembley No 5' s we chased on undulating, sand filled pitches (remember the old Baseball ground? ) today, its a non contact sport, and when there is any form of contact, theres broken limbs.
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^^ A hard challenge is fair enough as long as it's a fair one ie sliding in etc. One man coming in with foot raised, studs exposed is not on IMHO. Often it'll come to nowt as player getting challenged jumps in the air say. When you get problems (like this) is when the player getting tackled has his leg stuck firm to the ground = 15st 30mph leg break. Nasty 
To me it's simple - he catches him shin high which = foul. Leg break = serious ban.
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To me it's simple - he catches him shin high which = foul. Leg break = serious ban.
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When Eduardo isn't cheating he's making well timed tackles, so Wenger what about this one? i hope you had harsh words for him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN40jsmVe6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN40jsmVe6I
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Or this
YouTube - eboue tackle
or this
YouTube - 2-foot tackle from Henry vs Everton
or this
YouTube - WILLIAM GALLAS ATTACKING NANI AT OLD TRAFFORD
....................exactly the same philosophy Arsenal claim teams use against them, can't beat them then kick them. I'm not condoning these tackles by any team and every team is guilty of these type of tackles/kicking at some time or another. Just stop bleating about always being the victims!
Oh and there are lots more than above
YouTube - eboue tackle
or this
YouTube - 2-foot tackle from Henry vs Everton
or this
YouTube - WILLIAM GALLAS ATTACKING NANI AT OLD TRAFFORD
....................exactly the same philosophy Arsenal claim teams use against them, can't beat them then kick them. I'm not condoning these tackles by any team and every team is guilty of these type of tackles/kicking at some time or another. Just stop bleating about always being the victims!
Oh and there are lots more than above
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Arsene Whinger quote i
I seen this on football365 thought i'd share it.
Passion And Commitment; here's an interesting quote from 2002, defending Arsenal's dreadful disciplinary record at that time:
"(You have to admire) the passion and commitment of the English game. You have to ask yourself if you want to take that out of the game here. When I watch a Serie A game, I'm bored after five minutes. If you want totally clean football, you'll get bored."
Passion And Commitment; here's an interesting quote from 2002, defending Arsenal's dreadful disciplinary record at that time:
"(You have to admire) the passion and commitment of the English game. You have to ask yourself if you want to take that out of the game here. When I watch a Serie A game, I'm bored after five minutes. If you want totally clean football, you'll get bored."