The same thing my speeding (or not so) does

 

It has EVERYTHING to do with your views though doesn't it?

 

how can you call it utter desperation when you have contributed to it so heavily Martin

We all have our views, you maybe think mine suck and you are entitled to your opinion and i most definately think yours suck

 

Not a jot!!

 

Anyhoo, I'm off to bed now, see you tomorrow/today no doubt

 

If he'd have been convicted of bringing that amount of crap into the UK, he'd probably only serve about 5yrs inside if it was his 1st time being caught.

Not a fan of the death penalty, myself. The dark ages are 500 years or so behind us.

 

So you think that being against killing people sucks????

 

It's easy to have an opinion on something when you're completely detached from the subject's outcome.

Petty thieves were being hung in around 1800 in the UK. They probably are still murdered in China for offences considered low level in the UK. Time will tell once China is forced to publicise its murder records when it wants to be accepted fully so it can be allowed to compete with the west.

I think the issue many pro death penalty campaignors have in the UK is more to do with our joker life imprisonment sentences, that often means the offender is out on the streets after a few years' of prison.

 

I suggest you do some research. The facts do not support your assertions.

On average a heroin user will use 483 gms of heroin per year. Surely with a constant number of heroin users that would go up be ten fold each year according to your assertion - it does not.

Prescription heroin users who get as much as they need to not move significantly increase their dosage. In prescription programs the usage tends to level out at 300-500mg per day. The biggest issue with controlled drug programs is methadone which is MUCH more addictive than heroin.

In the first world war it was normal for soldiers to have recreational amounts of heroin/opium to use. Did it turn our Johnnies into smack heads - strangely not!

It is probably true that alcohol addiction as a proportion is lower than heroin addiction; however alchohol is more addictive in that once the body creates physical dependency, coming off alcohol can kill you. Coming off heroin is unpleasant but will not kill you.

As for banning alcohol not being possible (many reasons, I am intrigued) it is complete bollocks. There are nations around the world where alcohol is not pervasive and certainly not legal. In these nations where alcohol does occur it is in circumstances remarkably similar to our crack dens.

There are many assertions on this thread about the dangers of hard drugs, most of them unsubstantiated but reflect the propaganda fed to the public at large. Most of the issues of heroin use reflect the status and access to the drug, rather than the drug itself.

The main difference between most drugs and alcohol is that as a society we have chosen to legalise one of them. We also legalise nicotine which is regarded as one of the most addictive drugs available.


Anyway - this started with the claim that 4kgs of heroin could kill 26,000 people. Which is clearly ridiculous. At least 120,000kgs (certainly much higher) come into the UK every year. On the same basis we could expect up to 780 million deaths as opposed to the 800 actually observed

 

 

Nail hit squarely on head!

 

What does this mean? "Forced" by whom, exactly?

 

Where is this figure from? Because given the rough average dose it suggests that the average addict is getting hight 15-20 times a day, which seems a little on the high side. The average user may well get through 483g a year, but he's dealing some of it. The amount he's taking is rather less I suspect.


M

 

I think killing people for the right reason dosent suck TBH

 

Becomes a moral minefield then though doesn't it?

Who decides what the "right" reason is. Your "right" reasons aren't the same as mine.

Then what?

 

Suicide bombers, terrorists Glasgow airport/London bus bombings are right for me.

Why wouldent these two instances be right for you?

 

Turn it around, why specifically are they "right" for you? What is is about them?

 

Attacking innocent civilians with the intention of killing and causing large scale damage in our country makes it right for me, What if it had been your so, daughter, mother, father they had killed would you still be of the same opinion

 

It comes from the Office of National Statistics for 2007.

However it does not qualify the amount with whether it is pure medical grade or end user baggied ***te!!

If it is the latter then that would be a low number. If the former then 1.5gms a day is three VERY big hits.

I suspect the amount is an end user number.

 

The same opinion as what/who?

 

I thought you were one of the anti DP lot?

 

Your latter point completely and totally underlines to me why the death sentence is wrong. If it takes having a close family member killed to make you believe in the death sentence then it is surely about vengeance not justice.

If such a tragedy happened to me then of course it would be extremely distressing but to be part of taking another's life would only reduce me to their level.

 

I would say its more to do with Justice than vengance TBH Trout, If someone is willing to go out with a ruck sack full of semtex/c4 and a few thousand nails with the intention to kill, maim, mutilate innocent civilians then yes the punishment should fit the crime

 

I also think that the part of the reason why a British citizen was executed was to set an example of him and also to a certain degree, payback for the 2 Opium wars during the 19th century where the British supplied and openly encouraged the opium trade and the British government turned a blind eye to the trade despite repeated request from China to the British government to stop the trade.

 

Yes it is such a common occurance to see a smoker out daily robbing housebreaking mugging etc to feed their nicotine habits lol

 

pants

 

You ignorance knows no bounds - please don't let the facts get in the way of a debate.

 

Whats ignorant about it? you say that Nicotine is more addicitive than Heroin, but i cant say I see many gangs of nicotin junkies going around robbing people to feed their habit, unlike the herion junkies who know no bounds when it comes to feeding there habit

Also I dont remember seeing gangs of nicotine junkies standing outside Boots the chemist every morning waiting for their daily nicotine fix, unlike the Heroin user who que up for their methadone fix

 

I didn't say nicotine was more additive than heroin I said nicotine was one of the most addictive drugs out there and is freely available. As it is freely available then it is unlikely you would get gangs of people out there fighting for it. But you do get people prepared to stand in the rain/snow in their shirts and blouses because they need a hit during work/drinking hours! And although the dependency is high the psychoactive effect is less pronounced which you well know.

As also as I said earlier methadone is more addictive than heroin.

Taking two surveys of drug addictiveness the ranking of six freely available drugs were as follows...

Heroin
Nicotine Cocaine equal
Alcohol
Caffiene
Marijuana