PS And to add to your comment about hard drug addiction - like all state changing substances, serious addiction can occur. And the results are devastating. Just ask any family with an alcoholic in the house.

 

Next you will be telling us that those who suffer from depression and take there own life couldn't have been cared for properly by their family

 

I would imagine the main advantage would be that there becomes some control over it. It would likely become 'safer' for want of a better word. The same could be said for other currently illegal drugs. Maybe if we had some more control over these drugs, the associated problems would decrease. Not saying they would for sure, but it's possible.

Also, I think there is little point in arguing over what is more dangerous, illegal drugs or alcohol/tobacco. This arguement always comes out in these discussions, and it's pointless. All substances have their risks, and can all be abused (as in not used just casually). They can all, in some way cause deaths. But arguing over what is worse doesn't solve the problems we have.

To my mind, what we want rid of is suppliers etc. praying on other peoples habits/weaknesses, whatever you want to call it, the people out there who don't care what they cut drugs with in order to make money, regardless of the consequences, those who will get others hooked to do their leg work/take the risks for a quick fix.

Legalising these drugs, like it or not, would certainly cut down on that side of things.

 

I really hope your house/mrs/gran is never turned over by a junkie looking for his next fix. I mean, smack does no harm right? If someone beat your gran for a £10 wrap that would be ok by you because hey, at least they weren't drunk right?

This guy broke the law and got the punishment the local law applies. If he'd been Chinese the same thing would have happened so it is hard to discriminate. There seems to be no evidence of any illness, no doctor or anything and to me it seems like a sudden excuse that has failed to work.

I have personal experience of bi-polar disorder with a close friend being sectioned because of it. At the end of the day though, he still knew right from wrong and I believe that to be the case with the majority of sufferers. If you can tell what is right and what is wrong then you can stand trial for the crime you know you did. The punishment is nothing to do with us.

Also, re harsher sentencing for drug smugglers... BBC NEWS | South Asia | Taleban drugs control 'effective' it seems the hardline worked... production and sales have soared since our nicey nicey approach came in.

5t.

 

we have just got rid of one, which isnt a bad thing really

Legalising drugs isnt the answer either, there will still be junkies there will still be dealers, there will still be crime, theft and everything else associated with drugs

 

Thanks Gandhi

 

So what was wrong with him?

Like the Chinese guy said on BBC news, if his mental illness was that serious how the heck does he (admittedly fail) get 4KG of brown into China? Are they saying he was easily led due to some mental illness?

Personally, if you go to countries known to take a hard line on crime and then commit crime in that country - what the heck do you think is going to happen when you get caught.

Like that **** end who thinks just because he can't tell whether someone is angry with him or not (arseburgers) is allowed to get off hacking into the US military computers? rubbish.

 

You can't end the comparison with heroin there. Are you honestly saying that everyone in the UK who goes out at the weekend to get wrecked would be better off doing the same with heroin?

The difference is, those people who go out are doing it because it's the done thing with friends etc, they are not dependant on alcohol to get by. Try the same with heroin and see what a mess all these people would be in. It's a horrible thing. I said earlier that flooding the UK with drugs would make things safer for the people taking them, but you still can't get away from what heroin does to people.

Yes, there are alcoholics who get the shakes and depend on it, but I'd bet the percentage of people who take it and then go on to develop an addiction is minute when compared to heroin.

 

dida dum dum dum another one bites the dust

 

and itll still be very expensive over here unless we simple take over production

......ah, just a minute

 

There are plenty of examples that controlled heroin use such as prescription programs lead to heroin users leading perfectly normal lives like recreational alcohol users.

To defend alcohol as it is a social drug is ludicrous. Medically is it much more dangerous than heroin.

I am not suggesting banning alcohol I am suggesting that it is hypocritical to make one illegal and another acceptable. It is purely a social context. It was not SO long along that Opium dens were all the rage in London and elsewhere.

 

PS Glesga - try going along to an AA meeting and sharing that view. You might get an education!

 

I'm stunned, if you have ever read anything from me that is even remotely racist I suggest you post it up, or apologise, it's your choice

 

Here's a thought for all those suddenly so concerned with the evils of drugs...

Why not execute all drug USERS? Surely if you eliminate demand you don't have to worry about the impossible task of stopping supply?

 

That works for me!

Kill em all big and small!!

 

That seems to be the message he's putting across at least, If we had known what we do about alcohol 100 years ago do you think it would have been legalised? f&ck no!

But to say because one is legal so should the other one be as well is just mental IMO

Heroine is seriously addictive stuff, I can go to a pub and drink two or three pints and b ok but if i went to a pub and had two or three wraps (or what ever these things come in spoons maybe lol?) then its game over good night viena for me

 

Maybe not, but is it not worth a try? Afterall, right across the world there are various punishments associated with dealing/supplying/trafficking/using drugs, and despite these, including death, the problem isn't decreasing.

Gaining some control over it may help, but it needs to be well thought out.

I'm not saying I support drug use per se, but it happens. Obviously the risk of death/imprisonment doesn't deter.

Just the same as the risks associated with using, doesn't deter.

 

Yes then we can work our way down the list

Muggers

Thieves

Crooks

Insurance dodgers

And those who speed in their cars...

or are some laws OK to break??

 

Well it would be a start at least

 

Do you ever speed?

 

Never

 

How can we as a country dictate to another country how they should conduct their judiciary system? Why should a British citizen be treated any different if they break the law of their land? How can we critisise their legal process when in this country, criminals can get away scott free and victoms get convicted? The man smuggled drugs in to the country and broke their law.

Paul Gadd was jailed for 3 years in Vietnam for child abuse, yet he says he was innocent and did not get a fair trial. Nobody on this forum batted an eye lid then and many spoke of having various parts of him cut off and killed. Now, had his family said that he was bi-polar and what he did was due to this medical condition, even though there are no medical records to substanciate this claim, would you still change your views of Paul Gadd. Do you think Gordon Brown would have stepped in and demanded clemancy? I think not!!

The cold war propaganda is over, Russia is no longer seen as a global communist threat. The western world needs a bad guy, and China seems to have fallen into this role, a communist country that could represent economic threat and the balance of world power shift from west to east.

 

Well you are almost certainly lying but I guess you have to say that, or your entire argument falls apart

 

What has any of his got to do with the rights and wrongs of the death penalty?

 

Does that mean if I go I'll find out that actually there is a large percentage of the people who drink socially becoming dependant on it? Because otherwise it would be a bit of a waste of time(other than getting help myself possibly? ), as I have already acknowledged in one of my posts that I know what alcohol can do. I've seen it with my own eyes! Had a girlfriend with a Dad who was an alcoholic.

 

Well whats speeding got to do with the death penalty? Read through it again, apply some more thought, then you might see my post has some relevence this this thread

 

Key word being prescription, it's what happens when they want more than their prescription though. Users need up to 10 times the dose that got them addicted in the first place, are you suggesting endless amounts available?

Also because it's impossible to ban alcohol (for numerous reasons) your saying we should legalise heroin as to be not hypocritical?

Not all alcohol users are addicts, that must be 10's of millions of people every day. All heroin users on the other hand are addicts and from the moment they finish their last hit are thinking of the next.

Also on this death penalty issue, these countrys you say there is no evidence that it works. Well i'd like to see how much crimes punished by it would increase if it were stopped. It doesn't matter what you punnishment you hand out people won't stop commiting these crimes but it will certainly stop more than if it wasn't. Are you telling me that if they suddenly started in this country that if you were found to be carrying a knife you would get the DP that it wouldn't decrease? extreme example i know but it would.

 

Speeding was drawing a comparison to an inconvenient truth.

Believe me I'm more than aware of the contents of this utterly desperate thread

 

Then you'll also see that this thread isn't soley to discuss the rights and wrongs of the death penalty!