Agree 100%

There are lots of things wrong with this country regarding justice and punishment, but there is no way I would want to swap it for China's system. 1,718 people were executed there last year - are you telling me they were all 100% guilty, NO DOUBT?

I have listened to people argue that he's a drug smuggler and he deserves it, but there's a lot to this case that suggests it wasn't as cut and dried as that. I don't believe he had a fair trial.

And another thing, which is a bit of a tangent. A part of me hates the fact we have become so weak that they don't even take any notice of us, and think they can do what they like with 'one of ours'. The last few days I was actually imagining a full on assault SAS style 'to get our boy back'. Stupid I know, but I don't like Britain being dictated to in this manner. I wish we could become GREAT Britain again.

 

I agree there are other dealers out there hopefully this guys death will be a reminder to them, But look at it this way, If he had not been caught then his drugs would have hit the streets and then there could have been the potential for huge ammounts of death, The less drugs on the street the less deaths no?

 

Are you asking me if my values are absolute or not?

Well it would need to be something quite extraordinary for me to be in favour of it, or some compelling evidence that more good would result than bad.

BTW I'd love to know which crimes people believe should result in death?

 

I know for a fact that when there have been big shipments, of whatever drugs, intercepted it has had a knock on effect in the areas that it was due to reach. And if you look at the statistics or facts for example, ecstacy, some people have died from taking just one pill, their first ever time taking it.

 

You are being a hypocrite now!

Just my opinion

 

I know I would - no matter what the crime is I would be against the death penalty. The death penalty is not a deterrent, at best is it vengeance and I fail to see that it is just.

It merely lowers our standards to the criminals we are 'punishing'.

 

This country carries no weight in the modern world any more why should they listen to us? The days of Great Britain anr long past us and things will probably get a whole lot worse!

 

Ehhh?

No I'm being honest

 

Where is the evidence that heroin use causes death on a significant never mind massive scale? Based on the lurid numbers being bandied about in this thread there would literally be hundreds of thousands of deaths on the UK from heroin usage rather than perhaps a couple of hundred.

And the deaths are not usually caused directly by the heroin itself.

In the scheme of things, 4kgs of heroin is a tiny drop in the ocean in any drug economy.

 

The main problem with the death penalty is what happens if you execute the wrong person? It has happened in the past, and if it came back it would happen again. If just one innocent person is wrongly executed the system can't possibly work.

 

You seem to be making hypocritical comments

 

Do you approve of the use of drugs for recreational purposes then, and do you believe that there is no endemic danger in the use of them in an uncontrolled manner?

Les

 

To all those who say the death penalty is not a deterrent how do you know?. The Gov should bring it in for drug smuggling and some other serious crimes, then and only then will we see if it works.

In the meantime I'd be interested to know what you suggest we do then to cut down on the crime and misery that is created by these people.

Chip

 

If it had been a bad batch or tampered with in anyway then yes there is a huge potential for death I don't know if the Heroine was 100% pure and frankly I couldent give a toss, remember people cut this **** with anything that comes to hand to maximise their profits, This 4 kilo could have ended up being 6 Kilo before everybody (dealers) finished with it which would have raised the death rate even further

Drugs kill simple as.......

 

I think we forget that in China and many other countries life is cheap, they have no qualms about killing, their human rights record is horrendous, I read this some time ago, certainly an eye opener.

Amazon.com: Bitter Winds: A Memoir of My Years in China's Gulag (9780471114253): Harry Wu, Carolyn Wakeman: Books

China isnt the only country like this, it is pretty widespread, I suppose when we moan about it over here we could do with a year somewhere like China, some of the anti Brown rants on here would mean that you got dragged from your bed and shot, we have it cushy over here, perhaps too cushy and perhaps a little harsh reality might motivate us as a country, not talking about execution but stop people self obsessing and being able to get away with doing nothing.

 

Exactly

 

Spot on SS.

Les

 

I make completely consistent comments and you claim them to be hypocritical.

I think you should spend longer examining your own comments than trying to pick holes in mine.

Please just put me on ignore. Frankly I find you to be highly annoying and impossible to discuss anything with. You fail to grasp basic context and meaning of anything, which makes it nigh on impossible to have a debate

 

This might be something to do with the fact that the Chinese realised they would have to return his body intact, rather than chop it up for organ donation as they do with the majority of capital punishment deaths.

 

Read post 101 at the top of this page. I have quoted you saying that the death penalty is wrong on more than one occasion then you say that it depends on the crime.

I am taking part in a debate, that is all i am doing. You are welcome to put me on ignore though

 

I wouldn't set foot in a country like China.

 

No once again you failed to read what i wrote.

I did not say 'it depends', I just didn't say that

Now go and annoy someone else please

 

I read you correctly but i worded my reply wrong.

 

Drugs do kill, but there is a lot of sh*te banded about by the media. Most drugs can be taken safely, but things do happen. At the end of the day it's down to choice. If people choose to take drugs then it's their responsibility: the people bringing it in are just supplying demand and making money from it.

Also, if you're making the point about the 4 kilos being made into 6 and then killing people, surely that's down to the person cutting it and fault could be placed with whatever it's been cut with? If the demand is greater than the supply(ie not enough drugs getting into the country), surely the end product will end up being cut with a bigger percentage of something else in order to make money? So the safest thing would be to flood the market and keep prices of the pure stuff down?

 

His what ?

 

 

I was trying to get my post out quickly to help the thread along

Seems like it's hit a roadblock again though

 

What a load of old tosh

 

You have to keep in mind that every execution is a message to others after a quick buck before running to soft spots like Britain, any crap can come here as long as they've got money and the government couldn't care less how they got it.

This country is becoming a 2nd class state of America more and more every day, the drip drip effect.

Personally, i support what the Chinese have done. Can't we make Tony Blair our Ambassador for China? omo.

 

And your solution to the drug problem in this country is..............