EcuTek mapping Vs Open mapping ?
08 January 2010, 06:11 PM
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another happy ecutek customer!
08 January 2010, 06:18 PM
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08 January 2010, 06:23 PM
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i am a very happy enginetuner customer and they did a very good job on the other work i had done aswell,clutch,flywheel etc etc.
08 January 2010, 10:33 PM
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ECUtek vs OS? Hmmm.....
Think I'll leave my car as it is.
Whoever it was, in the Subaru ECU department, did a good enough job of mine.
Think I'll leave my car as it is.
Whoever it was, in the Subaru ECU department, did a good enough job of mine.
09 January 2010, 12:14 AM
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09 January 2010, 01:31 PM
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I didnt know about OS when I first got my car EcuTek'd otherwise I think I might of give it a whirl. Purely so I could do my own datalogging without buying Delta Dash.
Anyway first outfit that mapped my car with Ecutek give me a rubbish map and the car drove like ****e, the backup was pants and tried laughing off the problems I was getting saying " dont worry about it" so there is also some rouge EcuTek dealers. Got Andy F to map it and it was great, changed the turbo and got another Andy map. Car run great but later developed problems.
Couldnt get a response from Andy to try and address the problems but it was close to him getting his 8.87sec run so I knew he was up to his eyes so cant blame him for being busy and unable to answer/help. Also being in Northern Ireland made it a bit difficult.
Got a Simtek fitted by OMA in Northern Ireland and got the user tune kit so at least now I can have a go myself. Just need to find out how to work it now I'm living in Oz and there is no SimTek dealers!
From what I can see the EcuTek dealers here in Oz are all moving to OS with 1 company having developed their own version called HPFlash.
P.s Not making any sort of complaint about your service, I mean if you were able to answer/respond instantly that would mean you had no work and if a tradesman has no work its because no wants to use them!
Anyway first outfit that mapped my car with Ecutek give me a rubbish map and the car drove like ****e, the backup was pants and tried laughing off the problems I was getting saying " dont worry about it" so there is also some rouge EcuTek dealers. Got Andy F to map it and it was great, changed the turbo and got another Andy map. Car run great but later developed problems.
Couldnt get a response from Andy to try and address the problems but it was close to him getting his 8.87sec run so I knew he was up to his eyes so cant blame him for being busy and unable to answer/help. Also being in Northern Ireland made it a bit difficult.
Got a Simtek fitted by OMA in Northern Ireland and got the user tune kit so at least now I can have a go myself. Just need to find out how to work it now I'm living in Oz and there is no SimTek dealers!
From what I can see the EcuTek dealers here in Oz are all moving to OS with 1 company having developed their own version called HPFlash.
P.s Not making any sort of complaint about your service, I mean if you were able to answer/respond instantly that would mean you had no work and if a tradesman has no work its because no wants to use them!
09 January 2010, 01:50 PM
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No probs guys 
Yes it can be tricky trying to find the balance between work and play when scoobies are concerned but I usually get back to my emails within a few days...... when we are not away racing.
Yes it can be tricky trying to find the balance between work and play when scoobies are concerned but I usually get back to my emails within a few days...... when we are not away racing.
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09 January 2010, 02:53 PM
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something that does interest me is the whole legal side of things? most of the open mappes don;t seem to have a connection to any workshops and basicly operate from home. how does liability isnurance etc work for this? i asked htis before and no one responded also what happens if things go worng and the engine goes up in smoke?
09 January 2010, 02:59 PM
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caveat emptor !
Buyer beware. All of this sort of work is at your own risk, and I'm sure any decent mapper would refuse to work on any car deemed unsuitable. Many may help sort minor issues, but if it came in smoking and knocking...
dunx
Buyer beware. All of this sort of work is at your own risk, and I'm sure any decent mapper would refuse to work on any car deemed unsuitable. Many may help sort minor issues, but if it came in smoking and knocking...
dunx
09 January 2010, 03:04 PM
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lets say you have a crash, the owner of the car says the person was being paid to map the car, 3rd party or even drivers fully comp insurance wont cover this.
09 January 2010, 03:17 PM
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also what happens if things go worng and the engine goes up in smoke?
Aside from anything else, it would be almost impossible for you, as an end user, to prove whether engine management changes instigated by a third party were responsible for a failure, or whether it occurred as a result of an issue that was already festering before you had the car tuned.
Indeed I'd imagine most mappers would include an indemnification clause in any agreement/contract you sign.
As Duncan says though, they always have the option to decline to map an engine they have a bad feeling about - as aside from anything else, a good tuner's reputation can do without a ticked-off customer.
09 January 2010, 03:30 PM
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If an engine suffers damage or failure it would, one would imagine, be up to you to sort out.
Aside from anything else, it would be almost impossible for you, as an end user, to prove whether engine management changes instigated by a third party were responsible for a failure, or whether it occurred as a result of an issue that was already festering before you had the car tuned.
Indeed I'd imagine most mappers would include an indemnification clause in any agreement/contract you sign.
As Duncan says though, they always have the option to decline to map an engine they have a bad feeling about - as aside from anything else, a good tuner's reputation can do without a ticked-off customer.
Aside from anything else, it would be almost impossible for you, as an end user, to prove whether engine management changes instigated by a third party were responsible for a failure, or whether it occurred as a result of an issue that was already festering before you had the car tuned.
Indeed I'd imagine most mappers would include an indemnification clause in any agreement/contract you sign.
As Duncan says though, they always have the option to decline to map an engine they have a bad feeling about - as aside from anything else, a good tuner's reputation can do without a ticked-off customer.
09 January 2010, 03:45 PM
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i think alot of the open mappers setup on a shoe string budget shal we say and simply can't afford the cost of a rebuild for a customer if the worst happens. so the customer may save 150, but then they end up with no car at the end of it.
If you have your car EcuTeK mapped and it blows up a few days/weeks after, I strongly suspect that going back to the mapper will result in a reply along the lines of "sorry mate, it was okay the day it was mapped, and that's all I vouch for" (although I would be happy to stand corrected).
You're not doubt correct to imply that some will be better insured than others, but are equally a little misguided in trying to use this as a Tek vs Open issue.
Where it gets sh*tty is the type of "mapper" who, in their small print, explains that their "service" is limited to obtaining a "compatible map update" and "programming it on your ECU". That isn't mapping, in the true sense, at all, it's purloining/stealing a map done by someone else on someone else's car, bunging it on yours and hoping it works, thereby greatly increasing the chance of dissatisfaction at your end.
You can work on that basis that this sort of person would have zero insurance/business backing/etc but the end result would be the same as someone who did - in the event of an engine failure, tough titty.
09 January 2010, 08:02 PM
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Five inches of the bloody stuff covering the car earlier, Duncan. It hasn't moved since Monday. 
Hand brake turns in the van are fun though
My best solution would have been the Power FC that I bought and then sold having only taken it out of the box to photograph to advertise it for sale. 
Mines not getting remapped.
Hand brake turns in the van are fun though Mines not getting remapped.