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Old Oct 22, 2012 | 02:48 PM
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B - Biggest fraud in Histroy

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I've recently finished reading the Lance Armstrong book "It's not about the bike" and have done some further research on the man, and I don't want to believe it........but I do wonder if he's not the great althlete/human I've read about.

What do you think, is Lance Armstrong:

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Sporting Hero
Hates drugs
Unlucky in love
Does good charity work and cancer awareness

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Biggest fraud in Histroy
One step ahead of the drug testers
Serial womaniser
Likes to be in the public eye and massage his huge ego

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Old Oct 22, 2012 | 03:44 PM
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B - Biggest fraud in Histroy
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Old Oct 22, 2012 | 08:39 PM
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A pertinent revival given the events unfolded recently.
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Old Oct 22, 2012 | 09:27 PM
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Looks like things are going to get a lot worse for Lance! He's now being asked to repay bonus payments, ouch

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20029617

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Old Oct 22, 2012 | 10:08 PM
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could see that on the cards tbh. but i dont blame lance for giving up the fight - im quite sure he used PED'S, but you can be dam sure so did his team mates, his competition. and if people think the governing bodies are so niave about a sport they know inside out, and love to the bones and run - to the point they didnt know about any PED use then id say thats ludicrous tbh.
then there are the sponsors - they didnt know?

i wouldnt be surprised with everyone tries to rape him alone, if he starts to take others down with him?
why the witch hunt against him alone when others openly admit to uses? just because they didnt win titles? stinks a bit of hypocracy imo.
punish 1, punish them all imo.
my work collehues follow cycling closely and say some that get caught doping get 6 month bans?? is that true?
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jef
my work collehues follow cycling closely and say some that get caught doping get 6 month bans?? is that true?
Yes, some even serve the ban during the off season so they may only miss a month or two of racing. TBH the whole thing stinks.
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 07:31 AM
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Let's be clear though, Armstrong was not just a simple doper, he ran the whole show, he made sure riders who did not dope were hounded out of cycling

He made sure everyone on his team doped

Cycling did stink, a huge pile of steaming ****, and Armstrong was sitting right at the top of the turd pile

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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Let's be clear though, Armstrong was not just a simple doper, he ran the whole show, he made sure riders who did not dope were hounded out of cycling

He made sure everyone on his team doped

Cycling did stink, a huge pile of steaming ****, and Armstrong was sitting right at the top of the turd pile
Can all that be proved though,I thought he passed all the tests.

What was the point of getting everyone else to use the drugs if he wanted to win anyway?

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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Can all that be proved though,I thought he passed all the tests.

What was the point of getting everyone else to use the drugs if he wanted to win anyway?

Les
pretty sure its a team style effort, where everyone has to keep up, at top of pack so the sprinter can be in the right place *** the last few kilometers. its a weird kindof sport - i dont understnad it, and hence dont really have any interest in it. i think you need to know all the ins and outs to know whats going on.
as for him being at the top of the sh*t pile, id agree to an extent, but seen as just about the whole sport is/was saturated in use id say to put a single name at the top, as the kindof tsar running the whole corrupt set up would be quite unlikely. its more probable he worked with others at the top to allow the outfit to operate.
i think they just underestimated the limelight it could bring onto the sport and subsequent investigations - hoping things just stayed covered up as they had done in the past.

either way makes interesting reading and interest that otherwise would never have risen
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Can all that be proved though,I thought he passed all the tests.

What was the point of getting everyone else to use the drugs if he wanted to win anyway?

Les
Les, lots of dopers passed tests

the authorities did not have tests that caught the drugs they used, at the time they used them

nothing magic really he used EPO they did not have an adequate test for EPO

and he did fail tests, but they were covered up or he was allowed to get away with it

it is all in the report

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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie

What was the point of getting everyone else to use the drugs if he wanted to win anyway?

Les
Stop being so pernickety.
There's a good lad.
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 06:28 PM
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As mentioned above it's a team event. He has 8 other riders riding for him. Protecting him from the wind, bringing drinks, chasing down breakaways...it's all about him.

If he can get his team to ride faster for longer then he will perform better.

In cycling you generally only have one rider in a team who will be going for the overall. Saying that, in some cases a team will be built just to win sprints. HTC Columbia being a good example. Sky proved you can't do both.
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Old Oct 23, 2012 | 10:26 PM
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Is he banned from triathlon.
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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by cster
Stop being so pernickety.
There's a good lad.
You would do better to wind your neck in until you can think of something sensible to say!

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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
Les, lots of dopers passed tests

the authorities did not have tests that caught the drugs they used, at the time they used them

nothing magic really he used EPO they did not have an adequate test for EPO

and he did fail tests, but they were covered up or he was allowed to get away with it

it is all in the report
Thanks for the information.

Then surely the authorities deserve maximum castigation for covering up and letting him get away with it.

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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Thanks for the information.

Then surely the authorities deserve maximum castigation for covering up and letting him get away with it.

Les
yes, correct

the governing body (the UCI) where useless, to the point of complicity

that is why it took the US doping authorities to properly investigate Armstrong and US postal service

and they did it, in part, due too Armstrong being a federal employee -- of the US Postal Service

so the FBI got invloved

Armstrong has spent the past 2 years trying to get the US investigation stopped, saying that the (corrupt) UCI should be investigating him (knowing they are a bunch of crooks)

when that failed he gave up and threw his toys out of the pram -- the evidence was extensive and damning, to the point the UCI could not dispute it

and most people in cycling are calling for the head of the UCI to resign -- but people have no shame these days and he is hanging on

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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 01:27 PM
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Somebody tole me today that Mark Cavendish missed his drugs test and for some reason hasn't signed a morality clause to say that he has never taken PED's..........

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Old Oct 24, 2012 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by hodgy0_2
yes, correct

the governing body (the UCI) where useless, to the point of complicity

that is why it took the US doping authorities to properly investigate Armstrong and US postal service

and they did it, in part, due too Armstrong being a federal employee -- of the US Postal Service

so the FBI got invloved

Armstrong has spent the past 2 years trying to get the US investigation stopped, saying that the (corrupt) UCI should be investigating him (knowing they are a bunch of crooks)

when that failed he gave up and threw his toys out of the pram -- the evidence was extensive and damning, to the point the UCI could not dispute it

and most people in cycling are calling for the head of the UCI to resign -- but people have no shame these days and he is hanging on

that explains a bit more to me, about the whole thing.
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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 03:10 PM
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And to me too!

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Old Oct 25, 2012 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Midlife......
Somebody tole me today that Mark Cavendish missed his drugs test and for some reason hasn't signed a morality clause to say that he has never taken PED's..........

Shaun
I think it was Sky that were asking their riders to sign the clause. He is no longer with them.
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