BNP to get their say on Question time!
23 October 2009, 03:30 PM
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Now you are being deliberately stupid in answering my points. Pay into the system a few years before they come? You are the only one saying that. How about they actually have to pay for their medical treatment instead of the UK tax payer funding it for them. It's called private medical cover 
Then once they have paid into the system for say 3 years worth of tax and NI they become eligible for such public services.
Then once they have paid into the system for say 3 years worth of tax and NI they become eligible for such public services.These jobs have always been available? Yes they have and they are being given to someone foreign when they could be given to someone from the UK. Why should the SA bloke I mentioned have been allowed to come here and line his pockets so he could go back home and live a cushy life? Plenty of British IT workers out of work who could be given these jobs instead of foreigners applying.
As for the IT bloke, I'm not condoning that, but it is just possible that he was actually the best qualified to do the job? I'm sure the interview didn't include "and finally, are you planning to shaft us good and proper then bugger off back home, laughing all the way?". We have had plenty of people who have worked and been trained here, then nobbed off to another company to take all that experience and knowledge. It's not uncommon, it just sticks out because this person actually left the country
I would rather pay it to aid some people who will undoubtedly contribute to our nation than for some of the people I see every day who are unlikely to ever contribute anything and work the system so that hard working people like myself (and presumably you too) subsidise them to the nth degree.
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23 October 2009, 03:31 PM
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That Canadian system sounds a much fairer system, and coincidentally they are one of the few Countrys that never entered recession
23 October 2009, 03:39 PM
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Markus that is exactly the system I would like the UK to adopt as it works for Canada, Australia, the US etc. Yet people like Geezer on here think its fantastic we let in who ever wants to come here to bleed off our services. No wonder this country is falling apart and bursting at the seams.
I am not against a points system at all, but to blame this countries woes on immigrants is just plain stupid. They are not the cause, possibly just the symptom.
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23 October 2009, 03:40 PM
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I find it not a little ironic for SN, which has many times shown it's disdain for Christianity and belief in Jesus, to support Nick Griffins view in Islam threatening this great Christian country we live in!
As Bonnie pointed out last night, there is no indigenous UK population, the closest there is were the Neaderthals, who are now extinct, so we are all immigrants.
Also, up until about 400 A.D., Christianity was unheard of in these isles, so for most of the period that humans have been here, the religion was not Christianity either. I'm sure alot of the same things being flung about by NG and his idiot cronies were said by the people during the Roman invasion, the conversion from Paganism to christianity, the Angles, the Saxons, the Danes, the Normans.
The UK is, perhaps, the ulitmate expression of humanity mixing, in language, culture and tradition. Whether you think that is a good thing or not is another matter. But, if you do not, remember that the UK you yearn for is still the product of the same process you fight against now. It is utter hypocrisy and stupidity.
NG and the BNP are just a bunch of unpleasant, racist bigots, and anyone who votes for them, or even agrees with some of their rantings should be thoroughly ashamed.
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As Bonnie pointed out last night, there is no indigenous UK population, the closest there is were the Neaderthals, who are now extinct, so we are all immigrants.
Also, up until about 400 A.D., Christianity was unheard of in these isles, so for most of the period that humans have been here, the religion was not Christianity either. I'm sure alot of the same things being flung about by NG and his idiot cronies were said by the people during the Roman invasion, the conversion from Paganism to christianity, the Angles, the Saxons, the Danes, the Normans.
The UK is, perhaps, the ulitmate expression of humanity mixing, in language, culture and tradition. Whether you think that is a good thing or not is another matter. But, if you do not, remember that the UK you yearn for is still the product of the same process you fight against now. It is utter hypocrisy and stupidity.
NG and the BNP are just a bunch of unpleasant, racist bigots, and anyone who votes for them, or even agrees with some of their rantings should be thoroughly ashamed.
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23 October 2009, 03:46 PM
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I'm a banjo playing inbred? My dad from Belfast, my mother from Co Waterford, I was born in London. My wife was from Edinburgh and has a Saudi (muslim) grandfather. Both families have fully integrated and have a typical 'British' outlook and feel.
Using Tebbit's cricket test theory (I'll use football instead) I'd support England over Ireland anyday of the week if both teams played each other even though I'm ethnically Irish. There's a fine line to coming to this country and integrating and coming to it and not even learning the language and literally segregating yourself from the indeginious population. What gets me is that anything from the local council has to have at least 5 different language translations. What does that do for integration?
Using Tebbit's cricket test theory (I'll use football instead) I'd support England over Ireland anyday of the week if both teams played each other even though I'm ethnically Irish. There's a fine line to coming to this country and integrating and coming to it and not even learning the language and literally segregating yourself from the indeginious population. What gets me is that anything from the local council has to have at least 5 different language translations. What does that do for integration?
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I'm a banjo playing inbred? My dad from Belfast, my mother from Co Waterford, I was born in London. My wife was from Edinburgh and has a Saudi (muslim) grandfather. Both families have fully integrated and have a typical 'British' outlook and feel.
Using Tebbit's cricket test theory (I'll use football instead) I'd support England over Ireland anyday of the week if both teams played each other even though I'm ethnically Irish. There's a fine line to coming to this country and integrating and coming to it and not even learning the language and literally segregating yourself from the indeginious population. What gets me is that anything from the local council has to have at least 5 different language translations. What does that do for integration?
Using Tebbit's cricket test theory (I'll use football instead) I'd support England over Ireland anyday of the week if both teams played each other even though I'm ethnically Irish. There's a fine line to coming to this country and integrating and coming to it and not even learning the language and literally segregating yourself from the indeginious population. What gets me is that anything from the local council has to have at least 5 different language translations. What does that do for integration?
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I'M sorry Geezer but we are now a democracy -those far off days and as you have described not all together accurately, was achieved by force. In most cases in the name of God.Its all fukcing bollocks as we as free thinking people know. The majority don't want to be a melting pot of cultures /race - I don't know ANYBODY who is of that opinion. IT DON'T WORK MATE.Islam is seriously threatening the British way of life if you don't believe that then I don't know where you have been living over the past 30 years
Also, if you think we live in a democracy.........
The UK is a melting pot of cultures, that's what defines being British. The French, Germans, Spanish etc. have been distinct for centuris, even thousands of years, with a little input. We on the other hand are only like we are because of our mix.
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I fail to see why you think people who come here to work, and are paying taxes from day one should be made to pay for their treatment when people who are "native" to the UK, who have not done a day's work in their lives should get it. Once again, you apply it only to immigrants. A simple statement about how you think that people who do not contribute (and I'm not talking about people who are unfit to work, here) would go some way to prove you are not xenophobic. However, that statement remains unforthcoming.
OK, you admit these jobs have always been available. So, if they were available, how come they were vacant for these terrible immigrants to fill? Surely in your eyes, they would have been filled by the thousands of eager Brits, itching to work in low paids jobs. Oh hang on, except they weren't...........
As for the IT bloke, I'm not condoning that, but it is just possible that he was actually the best qualified to do the job? I'm sure the interview didn't include "and finally, are you planning to shaft us good and proper then bugger off back home, laughing all the way?". We have had plenty of people who have worked and been trained here, then nobbed off to another company to take all that experience and knowledge. It's not uncommon, it just sticks out because this person actually left the country
I would rather pay it to aid some people who will undoubtedly contribute to our nation than for some of the people I see every day who are unlikely to ever contribute anything and work the system so that hard working people like myself (and presumably you too) subsidise them to the nth degree.
People who are mad rarely think they are, what is your point?
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OK, you admit these jobs have always been available. So, if they were available, how come they were vacant for these terrible immigrants to fill? Surely in your eyes, they would have been filled by the thousands of eager Brits, itching to work in low paids jobs. Oh hang on, except they weren't...........
As for the IT bloke, I'm not condoning that, but it is just possible that he was actually the best qualified to do the job? I'm sure the interview didn't include "and finally, are you planning to shaft us good and proper then bugger off back home, laughing all the way?". We have had plenty of people who have worked and been trained here, then nobbed off to another company to take all that experience and knowledge. It's not uncommon, it just sticks out because this person actually left the country
I would rather pay it to aid some people who will undoubtedly contribute to our nation than for some of the people I see every day who are unlikely to ever contribute anything and work the system so that hard working people like myself (and presumably you too) subsidise them to the nth degree.
People who are mad rarely think they are, what is your point?
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To give you the answer in your first point you keep demanding, yes I do despise the scum of this country who scrounge and live a benefit life. That woman on TV a while back who was getting £35k a year or whatever it was for her and all her kids and husband to live with out having to work is the exact people I hate with a passion and there are plenty like that in the town I live in. That also leads back to the argument though of forcing the low paid jobs on these useless tossers and not give them to immigrants by stopping the immigrants from coming in the first place.
I still don't agree with your argument though that only immigrants are prepared to do the low paid jobs. My wife left her part time job at a Supermarket recently and the applications for jobs at the supermarket were ridiculous. Hundreds and hundreds of people all applying for a few checkout jobs and the majority getting turned down. How **** can you be made to feel not even getting a successful application to work at a supermarket.
You also keep referring to just the low paid jobs. I am not singling them out and talking about all jobs such as the SA IT bod. I'm saying that immigration needs to be controlled period. Not just stop the low paid Eastern Europeans in. I'm not singling out race or nations to stop from coming in. The fact is this country has massive unemployment, our public services are at breaking point, our state system penniless due to being bled dry by both lazy scum in this country but more so by the free loading foreigners who come in without any work to go to who Labour are only too happy to give all our money to. The country has become an easy touch. If it wasn't these immigrants wouldn't be bypassing all the other countries they pass through to get to the UK. They are desperate to come here because of the benefit system otherwise they wouldn't be queuing up at the French coast to get here.
To answer the point about the SA bloke, perhaps he was willing to do the job for less because he didn't have long term commitments such as a mortgage to worry about. He could afford to go into the interview and say i'll do it for this amount when asked about salary. He knew that he was going to get rich by taking the money back home. Now the point here isn't about capitalism and him getting the job because he undercut the others, the point is he really shouldn't have been given a work permit in the first place as the IT market in the UK is saturated and we don't need IT bods from abroad coming in making the market even more saturated. They are partly the reason the salaries have been pushed down. Cut out economic immigrants doing these jobs and you then just have British people applying for the jobs and getting the jobs.
I will make this point again and can't be any more clear, I am not against immigration as long as it is under a similar system to that of Canada that Markus has explained. We don't need IT bods from SA or Aus for example, however we do needs nurses, drs, surgeons etc. Skilled people who want to come and work in this country should be welcome with open arms, I don't care where they come from.
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To give you the answer in your first point you keep demanding, yes I do despise the scum of this country who scrounge and live a benefit life. That woman on TV a while back who was getting £35k a year or whatever it was for her and all her kids and husband to live with out having to work is the exact people I hate with a passion and there are plenty like that in the town I live in. That also leads back to the argument though of forcing the low paid jobs on these useless tossers and not give them to immigrants by stopping the immigrants from coming in the first place.
On the last point though, I fear that forcing people to do jobs they don't want is not in anyone's interest, as they will just feel resentful and will probably not do the job well. That wono't be any good for the employers either. I don't have an answer to this, I don't know how we can effectively change the mindset of these people. Simply denying them their benefits, period, is not the answer. Maybe the incoming COnservative government will have an answer (I shan't hold my breath, successive regimes have not).
I still don't agree with your argument though that only immigrants are prepared to do the low paid jobs. My wife left her part time job at a Supermarket recently and the applications for jobs at the supermarket were ridiculous. Hundreds and hundreds of people all applying for a few checkout jobs and the majority getting turned down. How **** can you be made to feel not even getting a successful application to work at a supermarket.
That, however, is not their fault. What do you suggest we do? Just pack them all on a boat and shove them off at Dover?
By all means, the situation needs to be looked at now, as we cannot continue to letting people in. I would fully support a system like you suggest now, but we still have the people who have already come in. What criteria would you suggest for kicking out ones who are already here?
I certainly wouldn't like to try and work that one out!
You also keep referring to just the low paid jobs. I am not singling them out and talking about all jobs such as the SA IT bod. I'm saying that immigration needs to be controlled period. Not just stop the low paid Eastern Europeans in. I'm not singling out race or nations to stop from coming in.
The fact is this country has massive unemployment, our public services are at breaking point, our state system penniless due to being bled dry by both lazy scum in this country but more so by the free loading foreigners who come in without any work to go to who Labour are only too happy to give all our money to.
The country has become an easy touch. If it wasn't these immigrants wouldn't be bypassing all the other countries they pass through to get to the UK. They are desperate to come here because of the benefit system otherwise they wouldn't be queuing up at the French coast to get here.
To answer the point about the SA bloke, perhaps he was willing to do the job for less because he didn't have long term commitments such as a mortgage to worry about. He could afford to go into the interview and say i'll do it for this amount when asked about salary. He knew that he was going to get rich by taking the money back home. Now the point here isn't about capitalism and him getting the job because he undercut the others, the point is he really shouldn't have been given a work permit in the first place as the IT market in the UK is saturated and we don't need IT bods from abroad coming in making the market even more saturated. They are partly the reason the salaries have been pushed down. Cut out economic immigrants doing these jobs and you then just have British people applying for the jobs and getting the jobs.
I honestly believe that if you take all the immigrants out of the equation, we would have a employment shortfall.
I will make this point again and can't be any more clear, I am not against immigration as long as it is under a similar system to that of Canada that Markus has explained. We don't need IT bods from SA or Aus for example, however we do needs nurses, drs, surgeons etc. Skilled people who want to come and work in this country should be welcome with open arms, I don't care where they come from.
In the public psyche, immigration is a big problem, but in reality, I doubt it makes the top 20 of problems this country currently has!
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23 October 2009, 05:06 PM
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Ooops! Seems the Beeb have had complaints: BBC Gets Hundreds Of Complaints Alleging Bias Against BNP After Nick Griffin Goes On Question Time | UK News | Sky News
"... The BBC says it received more than 350 complaints after BNP leader Nick Griffin appeared on Question Time. The bulk of complaints - more than 240 - accused the BBC of being biased against the BNP, the broadcaster revealed. Some 100 viewers complained about Mr Griffin being allowed on the programme, while 50 others contacted the BBC to express appreciation of the programme ..."
So, it's not just SN members accusing the Beeb of bias!
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"... The BBC says it received more than 350 complaints after BNP leader Nick Griffin appeared on Question Time. The bulk of complaints - more than 240 - accused the BBC of being biased against the BNP, the broadcaster revealed. Some 100 viewers complained about Mr Griffin being allowed on the programme, while 50 others contacted the BBC to express appreciation of the programme ..."
So, it's not just SN members accusing the Beeb of bias!
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23 October 2009, 05:26 PM
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Why is it that race hate only works if your not white?
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Dont be full of sh1te, the answer is yes they are thugs and rascists!
23 October 2009, 06:02 PM
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I didn't realise the BNP was pro-gay. 
Don't get me started. We're sending cops from our local area to other areas, where the apes are allowed to run riot. Yesterday we executed a warrant, forced entry looking for stolen goods and as we found some drugs, we were able to extend our search. The tenant was a man in his 50s, so it's not just the kids who are up to no good.
But on leaving, the "Stanton Hill Massive" had gathered and were acting like chimps in a safari park. They could see that with all the stuff we were hauling out, we didn't have the strength in numbers to go after them. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to get us to go after them, so other members of their gang could steal everything we'd seized while we were distracted. (We didn't get the chance to nick them at this point as an officer at a seperate job was attacked by two blokes carrying a baseball bat and a hammer, when he intervened to stop them battering another fella.)
On the brightside, the little ****ers didn't expect us to go back 5 hours later to pick them up
We were actually wondering if this was a case of evolution not having reached Stanton Hill or evolution actually having peaked several generations ago and is now in the process of reversing.
Sadly, for the BNP or Pro-White lot, I can only report that out of the 30-40 youths that had gathered, bar one mixed race lad, every other face was white.
As for parents fearing being labled child abusers for disciplining their offspring - unlikely! I seized a lock knife from a nine year old earlier this week and his mother did nothing but blame ADHD, the school he goes to, and even lay blame at the feet of the lad that her son had inflicted assault occasioning actual bodily harm upon!
For the idiots on here who blame everything on race, watch "The Event - How racist are you?" which is due to be shown on Channel 4' on 29th of this month at 22:00. This experiment has been demonstrated many times and demonstrates how easily it is for certain groups to be the subject of prejudice. In this example, blue-eyed people are targetted.
The people invited to this experiment, when I've witnessed it, are a mix of races, religions, nationalities and so forth. The blue-eyed people are seperated from the group.
Bare in mind these blue-eyed people could be of any religion, of various nationalilties etc.
The presenter, Jane Elliot, then shows how easy it is to turn others against this blue-eyed race.
When I saw it, there were black and asian people who were turned against the "blues". Additionally, so were white people who have brown/green/hazel eyes.
How would the blue-eyed members on here like it if they suddenly became second class? How would you feel if your partner had blue-eyes, though you don't, and he/she becomes a second class citizen and a target of abuse?
The Event: How Racist Are You? - Channel 4
This is worth a watch before you decide if the BNP, other parties are racist or not.
I would guess they also have something about dealing with the lack of respect of others in today's youth and young adults. If not then this should be added. Let's be blunt here, something to deal with the chav types and feral kids who have no fear nor respect for people, their property and who you, their teachers or the police basically cannot touch. Teachers can't give them a deserved clip round the ear, parents, well, if you can call them that, I don't think much actual parenting happens, can't discipline them for fear of being labeled "child abusers". The police if they do manage to apprehend the ******* pass them onto a system where their sentence is laughable. ASBO's should not be seen as a badge of honour, should be a mark of shame and humiliation and not something to aspire to.
But on leaving, the "Stanton Hill Massive" had gathered and were acting like chimps in a safari park. They could see that with all the stuff we were hauling out, we didn't have the strength in numbers to go after them. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if they were trying to get us to go after them, so other members of their gang could steal everything we'd seized while we were distracted. (We didn't get the chance to nick them at this point as an officer at a seperate job was attacked by two blokes carrying a baseball bat and a hammer, when he intervened to stop them battering another fella.)
On the brightside, the little ****ers didn't expect us to go back 5 hours later to pick them up
We were actually wondering if this was a case of evolution not having reached Stanton Hill or evolution actually having peaked several generations ago and is now in the process of reversing.
Sadly, for the BNP or Pro-White lot, I can only report that out of the 30-40 youths that had gathered, bar one mixed race lad, every other face was white.
As for parents fearing being labled child abusers for disciplining their offspring - unlikely! I seized a lock knife from a nine year old earlier this week and his mother did nothing but blame ADHD, the school he goes to, and even lay blame at the feet of the lad that her son had inflicted assault occasioning actual bodily harm upon!
For the idiots on here who blame everything on race, watch "The Event - How racist are you?" which is due to be shown on Channel 4' on 29th of this month at 22:00. This experiment has been demonstrated many times and demonstrates how easily it is for certain groups to be the subject of prejudice. In this example, blue-eyed people are targetted.
The people invited to this experiment, when I've witnessed it, are a mix of races, religions, nationalities and so forth. The blue-eyed people are seperated from the group.
Bare in mind these blue-eyed people could be of any religion, of various nationalilties etc.
The presenter, Jane Elliot, then shows how easy it is to turn others against this blue-eyed race.
When I saw it, there were black and asian people who were turned against the "blues". Additionally, so were white people who have brown/green/hazel eyes.
How would the blue-eyed members on here like it if they suddenly became second class? How would you feel if your partner had blue-eyes, though you don't, and he/she becomes a second class citizen and a target of abuse?
The Event: How Racist Are You? - Channel 4
This is worth a watch before you decide if the BNP, other parties are racist or not.
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I think you'll find that the influence of immigrants in recent years, or indeed the past 100 years haven't been anything like they were in the instances I mentioned. They literally changed everything. Certainly in the case of Romans and Normans, the "indigenous" population became second, or even third class citizens!
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lol
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Telboy,
a couple of questions for you - what the hell is Britishness?
And secondly how could a woman wearing a head covering be so offensive. It is simply a style of clothing. If it is the inherent cultural aspect that you find so deeply offensive then that would suggest that you are the very thing you so protest you are not and constantly deny.
a couple of questions for you - what the hell is Britishness?
And secondly how could a woman wearing a head covering be so offensive. It is simply a style of clothing. If it is the inherent cultural aspect that you find so deeply offensive then that would suggest that you are the very thing you so protest you are not and constantly deny.
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Interestingly in the largest Muslim country in the world there is only a small portion of it that is ruled by Sharia law.
It would point to a future that may desire it, but the fear of it is only for those suffering from Mailitis.
It would point to a future that may desire it, but the fear of it is only for those suffering from Mailitis.
23 October 2009, 07:09 PM
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). I did of course mean anti-homosexual.
23 October 2009, 07:46 PM
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mmmm isn't it -- warm beer, jumpers for goal posts, cricket on the village green, lovely, quick six of the best, trousers down from the headmaster lovely isn't it, isn't it
little bit of mild football thuggery, lovely -- all good fun, warm summers, warm beer, bit of paki bashing all good fun isn't -- and on and on and on ad nauseam
(all with **** food too)
little bit of mild football thuggery, lovely -- all good fun, warm summers, warm beer, bit of paki bashing all good fun isn't -- and on and on and on ad nauseam
(all with **** food too)
23 October 2009, 07:54 PM
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Right been at work all day so only just about caught up with this thread,i watched QT last night,was a crock of sh*t. It was just a programme to make the BNP look bad.